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This is what I have for Greek Islanders. I'll be glad if you know gedmatch kit numbers of more Greek Islanders, or you can send me yours.Thank you for your reply, it's very interesting although I doubt about the validity of the results by clustering together all the Aegean Islands (eastern) as in most cases they have totally different historical and anthropological backgrounds
Greek, Islands, East | Population | S-Indian | Baloch | Caucasian | NE-Euro | SE-Asian | Siberian | NE-Asian | Papuan | American | Beringian | Mediterranean | SW-Asian | San | E-African | Pygmy | W-African |
1 | Chios | 8.96 | 38.99 | 13.77 | 0.34 | 0.29 | 0.03 | 0.54 | 23.55 | 13.86 | 0.21 | ||||||
2 | Dedocanese | 9.21 | 43.68 | 11.16 | 0.67 | 0.28 | 0.78 | 0.51 | 19.72 | 13.67 | 0.32 | ||||||
3 | Dedocanese | 9.42 | 41.22 | 12.77 | 0.28 | 0.35 | 21.21 | 14.58 | 0.18 | ||||||||
4 | Andros | 8.72 | 32.35 | 15.68 | 0.61 | 1.57 | 0.98 | 0.37 | 25.74 | 13.96 | 0.03 | ||||||
5 | Andros | 9.49 | 32.61 | 16.25 | 0.43 | 1.17 | 0.04 | 0.64 | 0.19 | 24.89 | 13.15 | 0.23 | 0.91 | ||||
Greek, Islands, East | 5 | 0 | 9 | 38 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 23 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Cretans | Population | S-Indian | Baloch | Caucasian | NE-Euro | SE-Asian | Siberian | NE-Asian | Papuan | American | Beringian | Mediterranean | SW-Asian | San | E-African | Pygmy | W-African |
1 | M720376 | 7.80 | 37.96 | 14.90 | 0.52 | 0.46 | 0.21 | 0.21 | 20.79 | 16.31 | 0.46 | 0.36 | |||||
2 | M360120 | 8.87 | 39.94 | 13.39 | 1.37 | 0.11 | 21.85 | 13.70 | 0.06 | 0.70 | |||||||
3 | M838603 | 9.02 | 38.82 | 16.71 | 0.17 | 0.97 | 0.41 | 0.20 | 20.19 | 13.07 | 0.18 | 0.18 | |||||
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Cretans | 3 | 0 | 9 | 39 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 21 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Cyprus | Population | S-Indian | Baloch | Caucasian | NE-Euro | SE-Asian | Siberian | NE-Asian | Papuan | American | Beringian | Mediterranean | SW-Asian | San | E-African | Pygmy | W-African |
1 | Cyprus | 2.27 | 10.32 | 44.15 | 3.95 | 1.53 | 0.36 | 19.67 | 17.11 | 0.33 | 0.31 | ||||||
2 | Cyprus | 7.67 | 43.01 | 8.00 | 0.77 | 0.08 | 0.40 | 21.30 | 18.22 | 0.55 | |||||||
3 | Cyprus | 0.76 | 10.49 | 42.94 | 8.24 | 0.09 | 0.82 | 0.03 | 19.50 | 16.74 | 0.05 | 0.33 | |||||
4 | Cyprus | 1.15 | 10.28 | 43.97 | 4.98 | 0.06 | 0.31 | 0.68 | 0.33 | 20.88 | 16.64 | 0.02 | 0.29 | 0.32 | 0.07 | ||
Cyprus | 4 | 1 | 10 | 44 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 20 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Europeans | # of samples | S-Indian | Baloch | Caucasian | NE-Euro | SE-Asian | Siberian | NE-Asian | Papuan | American | Beringian | Mediterranean | SW-Asian | San | E-African | Pygmy | W-African |
Finland | 4 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 72 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 11 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Netherlands | Northerner | 0 | 9 | 6 | 55 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Latvia | 5 | 1 | 7 | 7 | 65 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 19 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Lithuania | 5 | 1 | 8 | 7 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 20 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Russia | behar | 1 | 4 | 13 | 64 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Belorussia | behar | 1 | 5 | 10 | 64 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Ukraine | yunusbayev | 1 | 6 | 12 | 58 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Poland | LeBrok | 1 | 7 | 10 | 57 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 22 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Slovenia | 1 | 6 | 15 | 51 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 23 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
Croatia | 1 | 1 | 9 | 14 | 48 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 25 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Austria | 1 | 0 | 6 | 17 | 43 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 28 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Hungary | 3 | 0 | 9 | 15 | 47 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 25 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Romania | 5 | 0 | 8 | 23 | 35 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Bulgaria | 5 | 0 | 9 | 25 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 24 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Italy, NE | 7 | 0 | 7 | 20 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 31 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Italy, NW | 5 | 0 | 6 | 20 | 33 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Italy, Tuscany | 4 | 0 | 7 | 25 | 28 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 32 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Italy, South | 5 | 0 | 8 | 32 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 13 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
Sicily | 5 | 0 | 9 | 32 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 12 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
Sardinia | 5 | 0 | 0 | 24 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 49 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Macedonia | selectivememri | 0 | 6 | 25 | 35 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Albania | 17 | 0 | 6 | 28 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Albania, Tosk | 7 | 0 | 7 | 30 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Greece, Mainland | 5 | 0 | 7 | 30 | 26 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 26 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Greece, East Islands | 7 | 0 | 9 | 38 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 23 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Crete | 5 | 0 | 8 | 39 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 21 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Cyprus | 4 | 1 | 10 | 44 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 20 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Ashkenazi | 11 | 0 | 7 | 33 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 | 15 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
Sephardi, Tunisia | 6 | 1 | 7 | 33 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 24 | 22 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 |
Turkey | 4 | 1 | 15 | 44 | 11 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 11 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Armenia | 7 | 1 | 20 | 52 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Georgia | 6 | 0 | 21 | 58 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Palestine | 46 | 1 | 7 | 39 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 31 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 2 |
M926386 | I1631 | M691697 | RISE407 | Modern | Modern | |||||
Armenian Chalcolithic | Armenia LBA | Armenian | Georgian | |||||||
Run time | 9.37 | Run time | 3.92 | Run time | Run time | |||||
S-Indian | 0.27 | S-Indian | - | S-Indian | 1 | S-Indian | 0 | |||
Baloch | 17.64 | Baloch | 28.22 | Baloch | 20 | Baloch | 21 | |||
Caucasian | 41.35 | Caucasian | 30.75 | Caucasian | 52 | Caucasian | 58 | |||
NE-Euro | 20.25 | NE-Euro | 24.77 | NE-Euro | 3 | NE-Euro | 7 | |||
SE-Asian | - | SE-Asian | - | SE-Asian | - | SE-Asian | - | |||
Siberian | - | Siberian | - | Siberian | - | Siberian | 1 | |||
NE-Asian | - | NE-Asian | - | NE-Asian | - | NE-Asian | - | |||
Papuan | - | Papuan | - | Papuan | - | Papuan | - | |||
American | 0.55 | American | 1.54 | American | American | |||||
Beringian | - | Beringian | - | Beringian | - | Beringian | - | |||
Mediterranean | 11.12 | Mediterranean | 6.98 | Mediterranean | 10 | Mediterranean | 5 | |||
SW-Asian | 8.81 | SW-Asian | 6.38 | SW-Asian | 13 | SW-Asian | 6 | |||
San | - | San | - | San | - | San | - | |||
E-African | - | E-African | - | E-African | - | E-African | - | |||
Pygmy | - | Pygmy | - | Pygmy | - | Pygmy | - | |||
W-African | - | W-African | 1.36 | W-African | W-African |
M603839 | M54279 | I0746 | M766878 | I0440 | |||
Kotias CHG | 8 KYA | Anatolian EF | Poltavka Yamnaya | 4.7 kya | |||
Run time | 13.98 | Run time | 10.2 | Run time | 10.78 | ||
S-Indian | 0.62 | S-Indian | - | S-Indian | - | ||
Baloch | 36.63 | Baloch | - | Baloch | 30.06 | ||
Caucasian | 54.15 | Caucasian | 35.9 | Caucasian | 7.57 | ||
NE-Euro | 3.84 | NE-Euro | 3.91 | NE-Euro | 59.14 | ||
SE-Asian | 0.59 | SE-Asian | - | SE-Asian | - | ||
Siberian | 0.77 | Siberian | - | Siberian | 0.99 | ||
NE-Asian | - | NE-Asian | - | NE-Asian | - | ||
Papuan | 0.15 | Papuan | - | Papuan | - | ||
American | - | American | - | American | 2.21 | ||
Beringian | - | Beringian | - | Beringian | - | ||
Mediterranean | - | Mediterranean | 46.12 | Mediterranean | - | ||
SW-Asian | - | SW-Asian | 14.03 | SW-Asian | - | ||
San | - | San | - | San | - | ||
E-African | - | E-African | - | E-African | - | ||
Pygmy | 0.25 | Pygmy | - | Pygmy | - | ||
W-African | 3.01 | W-African | - | W-African | - |
Like it should be. Baloch is ancient central Asian admixture. The center of it is in Iran and Pakistan these days, and probably always has been. Check post #1 of this thread for more info.Harappa World gives so strange results. I am Pakistani Kashmiri, but it gave me 41% Baloch. I don't know why.
Here we go again. Updated chart. Added Croatian and Tosk Albanian. Also Armenia and Georgia. Interestingly they look in 80% like CHG/Iranian Neolithic, with surprisingly low East Euro. I wonder where they got their Med from and when?
Europeans # of samples S-Indian Baloch Caucasian NE-Euro SE-Asian Siberian NE-Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW-Asian San E-African Pygmy W-African Finland 4 1 4 2 72 0 5 1 0 0 1 11 3 0 0 0 0 Netherlands Northerner 0 9 6 55 0 0 0 1 0 0 29 0 0 0 0 0 Latvia 5 1 7 7 65 0 1 0 0 0 0 19 0 0 0 0 0 Lithuania 5 1 8 7 62 0 0 0 1 0 1 20 1 0 0 0 0 Russia behar 1 4 13 64 0 3 0 0 1 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 Belorussia behar 1 5 10 64 1 1 0 0 0 0 16 1 0 0 0 0 Ukraine yunusbayev 1 6 12 58 0 1 0 0 0 0 17 2 0 0 0 0 Poland LeBrok 1 7 10 57 1 1 0 0 0 0 22 1 0 0 0 0 Slovenia 1 6 15 51 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 3 0 0 0 0 Croatia 1 1 9 14 48 0 1 0 0 1 0 25 2 0 0 0 0 Austria 1 0 6 17 43 1 0 0 0 0 0 28 4 0 0 0 0 Hungary 3 0 9 15 47 0 1 0 0 1 0 25 2 0 0 0 0 Romania 5 0 8 23 35 1 1 0 0 0 0 25 6 0 0 0 0 Bulgaria 5 0 9 25 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 7 0 0 0 0 Italy, NE 7 0 7 20 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 6 0 0 0 0 Italy, NW 5 0 6 20 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 34 6 0 0 0 0 Italy, Tuscany 4 0 7 25 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 32 8 0 0 0 0 Italy, South 5 0 8 32 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 13 0 1 0 0 Sicily 5 0 9 32 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 12 0 1 0 0 Sardinia 5 0 0 24 16 0 0 0 1 0 0 49 10 0 0 0 0 Macedonia selectivememri 0 6 25 35 0 1 0 0 0 1 25 7 0 0 0 0 Albania 17 0 6 28 29 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 8 0 0 0 0 Albania, Tosk 7 0 7 30 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 27 9 0 0 0 0 Greece, Mainland 5 0 7 30 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 9 0 0 0 0 Greece, East Islands 7 0 9 38 14 0 0 1 0 0 0 23 14 0 0 0 0 Crete 5 0 8 39 15 0 0 1 0 0 0 21 14 0 0 0 0 Cyprus 4 1 10 44 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 20 17 0 0 0 0 Ashkenazi 11 0 7 33 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 15 0 1 0 0 Sephardi, Tunisia 6 1 7 33 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 22 0 3 0 1 Turkey 4 1 15 44 11 0 4 3 0 0 1 11 9 0 0 0 0 Armenia 7 1 20 52 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 13 0 0 0 0 Georgia 6 0 21 58 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 6 0 0 0 0 Palestine 46 1 7 39 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 31 0 5 0 2
Can you add these?
Bosniak:
A903976
Pontian Greek:
T002825
M844814
T508879
Ionian Islander (Greek)
A369427
M932252
Kytheria Islander (Greek)
T989434
T605151
T013566
T335961
Chios Islander (Greek)
A242426
A494945
A680256
M297994
A286177
M485001
M168143
A518543
Slovenian:
M612701
North Italian (Aosta)
Z231483
Z407200
Z394662
Z479660
Z017901
Z333116
Z136630
Z062958
Z835914
Z481541
Z269797
South Italian (Calabria)
M360226
M102854
M900442
M473529
A695965
A552689
A675077
A176776
M211419
Italy, Campania:
A174213
A809174
A705648
M148245
A640566
Maltese:
M882107
A625797
M190851
T128716
T766795
T522489
A394177
M006275
Lebanese:
M082752
A348010
A386085
M201211
M978009
M752647
T286199
M952740
A975400
Samaritan:
T027079
T631829
T610600
Iranian:
A103188
M346537
A969963
M508781
M470761
T524191
A184337
A114871
Uyghur (Western China)
T115458
M361178
Portuguese:
A733541
T410362
T667335
M673849
T953680
A056309
M833688
M398834
T066340
T698974
Basque:
T442422
T602958
T621170
How do we that these are accurately attributed to these areas? We're supposed to go on faith here?
These are collected by Ancestry DNA, 23andme database with reported ancestry including family tree. Some were sent by other users including genealogists.
There's no 100% Italian or Irish, we know that if we go back to thousands of years our ancestry came from different directions but these results are representative for the region their ancestors came from.
You miss the point. These are gedmatch kit numbers. Gedmatch doesn't check that you are who you say you are.
Theoretically, I could be a Spaniard from Barcelona and run my raw data through gedmatch and then go on some internet site and claim I'm Basque while giving out my kit number. Or maybe I come from Basque country but have a non-Basque grandmother, but I don't realize it's relevant.
Let's take another example. How about someone has been given 20 sets of results by people purporting to be of a certain ancestry, but cherry picks and includes only 10 for some point being made? See the problem?
This is why you would prefer representative sampling by academics. It's also why anything you see by amateurs on the internet should be treated with a healthy dose of skepticism. Honestly, I think everyone would benefit from spending some time in the fraud division of some court.
# | Population | Percent |
1 | North_Atlantic | 54.02 |
2 | West_Med | 43.12 |
3 | Red_Sea | 1.47 |
4 | South_Asian | 0.85 |
5 | Sub-Saharan | 0.47 |
6 | Northeast_African | 0.07 |
# | Population (source) | Distance |
1 | French_Basque | 9.1 |
2 | Spanish_Aragon | 19.64 |
3 | Southwest_French | 20.88 |
4 | Spanish_Cantabria | 21.28 |
5 | Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha | 22.15 |
6 | Spanish_Andalucia | 23.25 |
7 | Spanish_Valencia | 24.14 |
8 | Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon | 24.44 |
9 | Spanish_Murcia | 24.76 |
10 | Spanish_Cataluna | 24.78 |
11 | Spanish_Extremadura | 25.13 |
12 | Spanish_Galicia | 25.45 |
13 | Portuguese | 26.4 |
14 | French | 29.86 |
15 | North_Italian | 32.4 |
16 | Southwest_English | 32.42 |
17 | South_Dutch | 33.66 |
18 | Sardinian | 34 |
19 | Southeast_English | 34.11 |
20 | West_German | 35.06 |
# | Primary Population (source) | Secondary Population (source) | Distance | |||||
1 | 96.1% | French_Basque | + | 3.9% | Sardinian | @ | 9 | |
2 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Abhkasian | @ | 9.1 | |
3 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Adygei | @ | 9.1 | |
4 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Afghan_Pashtun | @ | 9.1 | |
5 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Afghan_Tadjik | @ | 9.1 | |
6 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Afghan_Turkmen | @ | 9.1 | |
7 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Aghan_Hazara | @ | 9.1 | |
8 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Algerian | @ | 9.1 | |
9 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Algerian_Jewish | @ | 9.1 | |
10 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Altaian | @ | 9.1 | |
11 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Armenian | @ | 9.1 | |
12 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Ashkenazi | @ | 9.1 | |
13 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Assyrian | @ | 9.1 | |
14 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Austrian | @ | 9.1 | |
15 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Austroasiatic_Ho | @ | 9.1 | |
16 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Azeri | @ | 9.1 | |
17 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Balkar | @ | 9.1 | |
18 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Balochi | @ | 9.1 | |
19 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Bangladeshi | @ | 9.1 | |
20 | 100% | French_Basque | + | 0% | Bantu_N.E. | @ | 9.1 |
# | Population | Percent |
1 | Caucasian | 34.73 |
2 | European_Early_Farmers | 24.95 |
3 | Near_East | 12.29 |
4 | European_Hunters_Gatherers | 10.41 |
5 | North_African | 8.11 |
6 | South_Central_Asian | 4.01 |
7 | Ancestral_Altaic | 1.62 |
8 | Melano_Polynesian | 1.28 |
# | Population | Percent |
1 | SW-Asian | 43.76 |
2 | Caucasian | 30.15 |
3 | Mediterranean | 9.34 |
4 | Baloch | 6.34 |
5 | E-African | 6.27 |
6 | S-Indian | 1.62 |
7 | NE-Euro | 0.79 |
8 | Papuan | 0.77 |
9 | NE-Asian | 0.57 |
10 | Siberian | 0.3 |
11 | Beringian | 0.08 |
12 | American | 0.01 |
# | Population (source) | Distance |
1 | yemen-jew (behar) | 10.1 |
2 | yemenese (behar) | 13.08 |
3 | egyptian (behar) | 13.74 |
4 | bedouin (hgdp) | 14.15 |
5 | egypt (henn2012) | 14.52 |
6 | palestinian (hgdp) | 14.87 |
7 | saudi (behar) | 15.02 |
8 | jordanian (behar) | 16.97 |
9 | qatari (henn2012) | 17.68 |
10 | samaritian (behar) | 20.43 |
11 | syrian (behar) | 20.83 |
12 | palestinian (harappa) | 21.41 |
13 | lebanese (behar) | 22.34 |
14 | iraqi-arab (harappa) | 24.63 |
15 | lebanese-muslim (haber) | 25.81 |
16 | libya (henn2012) | 26.4 |
17 | lebanese-christian (haber) | 26.51 |
18 | iraq-jew (behar) | 27.57 |
19 | lebanese-druze (haber) | 28.29 |
20 | iraqi-mandaean (harappa) | 29.01 |
Name your ethnicity please. Was it the same for last 2 generations?These are my results:
# Population (source) Distance 1 yemen-jew (behar) 10.1 2 yemenese (behar) 13.08 3 egyptian (behar) 13.74 4 bedouin (hgdp) 14.15
Name your ethnicity please. Was it the same for last 2 generations?
South Italian (Calabria)
M360226
M102854
M900442
M473529
A695965
A552689
A675077
A176776
Italy, Campania:
A174213
A809174
A705648
A977888
M148245
A640566
A076721
Most of these are American mutts, and some are even not of Italian ancestry, while others are not from Calabria or Campania, but instead they have ancestors from different regions of south Italy. Only a minority are what you claim they are.
# | Population | Percent |
1 | Caucasian | 41.68 |
2 | Neolithic | 25.56 |
3 | Steppe | 9.59 |
4 | NearEast | 9.15 |
5 | NorthEastEuropean | 7.11 |
6 | NorthAfrican | 3.75 |
7 | EastAfrican | 1.55 |
8 | Subsaharian | 0.68 |
9 | Indian | 0.61 |
10 | Oceanic | 0.3 |
11 | Amerindian | 0.03 |
# | Population (source) | Distance |
1 | Jew (Italian) | 4.12 |
2 | Jew (Bulgaria) | 4.14 |
3 | Jew (Ashkenazim) | 4.61 |
4 | Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) | 4.74 |
5 | Jew (Ashkenazi) | 4.85 |
6 | Italian (SouthItaly) | 5.18 |
7 | Jew (Turkey) | 5.37 |
8 | Sicilian (Sicily) | 5.4 |
9 | Jew (Sephardim) | 5.7 |
10 | Greek (Greece) | 6.01 |
11 | Maltese (Malta) | 6.24 |
12 | Greek (Athens) | 6.25 |
13 | Jew (Algeria) | 6.84 |
14 | Jew (Ashkenazi) | 7.74 |
15 | Italian (Abruzzo) | 7.74 |
16 | Jew (Morocco) | 7.86 |
17 | Greek (Macedonia) | 8.5 |
18 | Greek (Peloponnes) | 9.23 |
19 | Jew (Syria) | 9.78 |
20 | Greek (Greece) | 9.9 |
# | Primary Population (source) | Secondary Population (source) | Distance | |||||
1 | 60.6% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | + | 39.4% | Corsican (Corsica) | @ | 1.39 | |
2 | 70.8% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | + | 29.2% | Spanish (Spain) | @ | 1.5 | |
3 | 67.2% | Sicilian (Sicily) | + | 32.8% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | @ | 1.54 | |
4 | 68.7% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | + | 31.3% | Portuguese (Portugal) | @ | 1.86 | |
5 | 58% | Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) | + | 42% | Greek (Athens) | @ | 2.01 | |
6 | 76.9% | Sicilian (Sicily) | + | 23.1% | Druze (Mount_Carmel) | @ | 2.09 | |
7 | 61.4% | Jew (Italian) | + | 38.6% | Greek (Greece) | @ | 2.09 | |
8 | 81% | Sicilian (Sicily) | + | 19% | Jew (Iraqi) | @ | 2.19 | |
9 | 71.4% | Druze (Mount_Carmel) | + | 28.6% | Spanish (Pais_Vasco) | @ | 2.26 | |
10 | 68.2% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | + | 31.8% | Provencal (Provence) | @ | 2.28 | |
11 | 64.8% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | + | 35.2% | Italian (Bergamo) | @ | 2.28 | |
12 | 70.8% | Druze (Mount_Carmel) | + | 29.2% | French (SouthFrance) | @ | 2.29 | |
13 | 66.4% | Druze (Mount_Carmel) | + | 33.6% | Spanish (Aragon) | @ | 2.4 | |
14 | 70.7% | Sicilian (Sicily) | + | 29.3% | Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) | @ | 2.47 | |
15 | 74% | Druze (Mount_Carmel) | + | 26% | Basque (France) | @ | 2.5 | |
16 | 79.4% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | + | 20.6% | French (SouthFrance) | @ | 2.51 | |
17 | 53.8% | Greek (Greece) | + | 46.2% | Jew (Algeria) | @ | 2.54 | |
18 | 74.2% | Cypriot (Cyprus) | + | 25.8% | French (France) | @ | 2.54 | |
19 | 63% | Druze (Mount_Carmel) | + | 37% | Spanish (Andalucia) | @ | 2.56 | |
20 | 78.6% | Italian (SouthItaly) | + | 21.4% | Druze (Mount_Carmel) | @ | 2.58 |
Sure, I should be Saudi Arabian for the last 4 generations. When I took the test I hoped that it may shed light on how I got this Y-dna of mine, but I'm now more confused than before.
Sparkey made a map for I2c
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I personally invoke the sea peoples :grin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian#Pottery
Very interesting, Ironside. Does this calculator perhaps not have a reference population for Saudis?
@seanp
Don't play games. Obviously, if someone is really Saudi and says he's Basque, it will be easy to tell it's fraudulent. However, if you're trying to find fine scale substructure within one country, you want to make absolutely certain that at least all four grandparents of that person come from exactly the same spot. Hopefully, you'd want to go even further back into the family tree. If you're talking about Italian-Americans, I know hundreds if not thousands of them, and even the ones who are in their 80s are often "mixed", i.e. half Barese/half Sicilian, half Calabrese/half Neapolitan etc. These are people born here in America. You don't seem to have a grasp of how long ago most Italians arrived in the U.S. and Canada, so long ago that these first generation Italo-Americans sometimes don't even know the precise area from which their ancestors came. People have told me they're from Lazio when upon questioning they're from an area which is now Lazio but used to be Campania. I've had Arbereshe tell me they're Calabrian or Sicilian, people who think they're from Campania because the ship's manifest says that they departed from Napoli. It's a mess.
That's even assuming that I trust the "gatherer" of the information, which in this case would be you, I suppose. I'll say it directly. I don't trust any "friend" of Sikelliot. All I've ever gotten from them is doctored or cherry-picked data, photos, history, you name it. They're as bad as the Spaniards who used to post here.
So far as I'm concerned, the way to look at the data from Italo-Americans is Sicily vs mainland southern Italy. I'm skeptical of anything else.
My two cents.
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