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    Post New phylogenetic tree of R1b-U152 (and L2)

    I have been working for three days on a new updated version of the R1b-U152 tree. I had to split it in two trees as the L2 branch was taking too much space. I recommend that you viw the tree in full screen by clicking on them on the R1b page.

    I had already suggested three years ago that Z56 was a predominantly Italic branch and therefore associated with the Romans too, while the Z36 subclade was Alpine Celtic, and associated especially with the La Tène culture and Iron Age Gauls. This new phylogeny confirms just that. Z56 is overwhelmingly present in Italy, while Z36 is the most common subclade in and around Switzerland and southern Germany. The other branches, including L2, appear to have scattered around Europe from the time U152 reached central Europe (circa 2500 BCE). Some branches may have diffused with the Unetice, Tumulus and Urnfield cultures.





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    I`m interested in the Z194 branch, below Z193 and Z192. I think it may be a Roman subclade, but there is the possibility of an origin north of the Alps. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geiserich View Post
    I`m interested in the Z194 branch, below Z193 and Z192. I think it may be a Roman subclade, but there is the possibility of an origin north of the Alps. What do you think?
    Z192 is well represented in Italy and might be Italic/Roman, but data is still too scarce to tell.

    When at look at the age of Z193 and Z192 (both 4400 ybp), it is too old to be exclusively Italic. It might be some deeper clades that are Italic. For example, based on the FTDNA data, the BY3630 under Z40483 is found only in central Italy (Rome and Naples). Oddly, it's not listed in Yfull nor on the Big Tree, but the latter lists the CTS2617 subclade which might be equivalent and is also found in Italy.

    PF6652/Z194 might possibly also be Roman.

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    Dear Maciamo!

    My paternal grandmother's father as R1b-U152-L2-Z49-S8172. They lived all in Northeast Hungary.

    Can we know something about this subclade? Z56 was italicus, Z36 was italic celt, and what is the situation with my ancestors? Thank you.

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    Z36 was italic celt,

    sorry: Z35 was alpine celt

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    sorry again: Z36 was alpine celtic

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    I am R-U152 R-Z43 Pf6571 from italy tuscany

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberto1960 View Post
    I am R-U152 R-Z43 Pf6571 from italy tuscany
    How about reserving this for the information on the left-hand side, or elaborate in your signature; because this is nearly all you post. Then you could have something different to write about.

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    I'm R-L671 but I don't see it in the tree.

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    Is this the last phylogenetic tree? I'm R-L2

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