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- Messages
- 737
- Reaction score
- 113
- Points
- 0
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- J2B2-L283/Z638
we should use the Roman term and call them Epirotes
southern Illyrians are all Montengrians or coastal Bosnians
like
Docleatae
The Docleatae (Ancient Greek: Δοκλεᾶται, romanized: Dokleatai) were an Illyrian tribe that lived in what is now Montenegro. Their capital was Doclea[57] (or Dioclea), and they are called after the town. They had settled west of the Morača river, up to Montenegro's present-day borders with Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Pirustae
The Pirustae or Pyrissaei[100] (Ancient Greek: Πειροῦσται[101] or Πυρισσαῖοι)[60] were a Pannonian Illyrian[102] tribe that lived in modern Montenegro.
Ceraunii
Ceraunii (Ancient Greek: Κεραύνιοι, romanized: Keraunioi) was the name of an Illyrian tribe that lived close to the Pirustae[107] in modern Montenegro.
and these others
Pleraei
Pleraei, Plarioi, Pyraei, Pleraioi, Plaraioi or Palarioi (Ancient Greek: Παλάριοι) was the name of an Illyrian tribe.[59]
Endirudini
Endirudini or Interphrourinoi (Ancient Greek: Ἰντερφρουρῖνοι)[60] was the name of an Illyrian tribe that became part of the Docleatae.[35]
Sasaei
Sasaei was the name of an Illyrian tribe that became part of the Docleatae.[35]
Grabaei
The Grabaei or Kambaioi (Ancient Greek: Καμβαῖοι)[60] were a minor Illyrian group that lived around Lake Scutari.[61]
Labeates
The Labeates or Labeatae (Ancient Greek: Λαβεᾶται) were an Illyrian tribe that lived (after being defeated by Parmenio) around Scodra.[62]
The term "Illyria" was first used by Greeks to refer to their northern neighbours. Only during Roman times it was expanded to mean all tribes from Greece to Slovenia (and they were right in grouping them as the J2B2-L283 lineages show). As far as J2B2-L283 is concerned, these are the "Z638" crowd, that is missing in Croatia/Slovenia apart from that 1 southern Dalmatian sample.
The main "Illyria proper" tribes were tribes like Taulantii and Dardanii. We know Alexander fought against Cleitus (King Bardyllis' son from Dardania) and Glaucias (Taulantian King, whose father also fought against Philip). They often intermarried and were frenemies. Philip II's mother was stated to be Illyrian by ancient sources, and so was his first wife Audata an Illyrian. Glaucias' wife Borea was from the Molossian clan of Epirus and he adopted Pyrrhus of Epirus. Philip lived in Illyria as a child. Even Alexander also lived in Illyria when he got in a fight with his father.
As such, southern Illyrians clearly had genetic/cultural links with Epirotes and Macedonians. So it certainly won't be as J2B2-L283 dominant as northern Illyria, who were close to the Proto-Illyrian Urheimat in Central/Eastern Europe. They are going to be more "Greek-like" like modern Albanians who cluster identically with northern Greeks.