Alan
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- Ethnic group
- Kurdish
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1a1a1
- mtDNA haplogroup
- HV2a1 +G13708A
That is actually exactly what I meant. I wrote it is a "deadend" in the sense, it is a branch off (Brother clade) which does not fit the known mutations. Therefore the *. As you see they tested for the downstream mutation which define L23 for R1b and in case of the R1a for z93 or z280. But it was negative. And this is a sign of diversity. The point is this right here branched off from M269 and not L23. Every Haplogroup with time mutates. It is near impossible to find ancestral m343 or m269 today but it is possible to find branch offs from it. And when you find these branch offs which do not show the known mutations this is a sign that not one single branch (founder effect) occured here. But the actual ancestral branch existed and mutated into different directions.Actually it means the opposite. It means they found markers for a downstream position, just a different branch than the already known ones and they need an additional tested member for this branch to define it. In many such cases, those * will create big new branches with many downstream members, including the current * cases, if so far undertested regions and people get more testing. It doesn't mean, in any case, that these * samples are particularly upstream, "old" or "dead ends" more than any other samples of these haplogroups, but rather parallel branch members of so far undefined subclades.