Genetic study A genetic history of the Balkans from Roman frontier to Slavic migrations

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blevins13 said:
After reading the comments above:

1-🇬🇷 sees anything disturbing
2-🇬🇷 feels an unpleasant psychological state resulting from inconsistency with what is in his mind.
3-🇬🇷 solves this psychological state with the solution: IT MUST BE FAKE or WRONG MODEL.
4- 🇬🇷 AGAIN 😃
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Persons from multiple countries like @Jovialis @TaktikatEMalet @ihype02 debate the reliability of this shitty model but somehow its Greeks' fault again
Have a cup of tea and relax dude,as @ihype02 said that model shows the same nonsense for Albanians too.
 
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Jovialis said:
That's what I was thinking, because they're both Anatolian_N + CHG.
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Guys they're mixing multiple populations from different eras spanning Millennia in the same comparison.
A shitty model will obviously lead to nonsensical results.
 
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Omino said:
Persons from multiple countries like @Jovialis @TaktikatEMalet @ihype02 debate the reliability of this shitty model but somehow its Greeks' fault again
Have a cup of tea and relax dude,as @ihype02 said that model shows the same nonsense for Albanians too.
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Do not worry it will pass.
The same huff and puff happened when the Roman study came up, but there the problem was the sampling itself.
 

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blevins13 said:
Do not worry it will pass.
The same huff and puff happened when the Roman study came up, but there the problem was the sampling itself.
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I'm not the delusional one who's desperately crying about "the Greeks" when an Italian,2 Albanians and a UK guy doubting about the model and the results.
 
Jovialis said:
Roman Era Anatolian is Mycenaean + Anatolia_BA
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I like this, so they were Greeks in the first place.
Riverman said:
I would like to see uniparental evidence for this too. I'm not questioning it per se, just want to know how the uniparental side of things looks like for such a scenario.
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I agree with you there is no way to know who caused this considering Bronze Age collapse.
 
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blevins13 said:
I like this, so they were Greeks in the first place.

I agree with you there no way to know who caused this considering Bronze Age collapse.
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Indeed, I would think that e.g. Thracians in the NW of Anatolia and Phrygians in the centre, among other people, might have played a role in this too.
 
Omino said:
I'm not the delusional one who's desperately crying about "the Greeks" when an Italian,2 Albanians and a UK guy doubting about the model and the results.
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Who is the UK 🇬🇧 guy? Just curious?
 
As an Albanian, using IA Balkan samples myself I don't get that much Slavic or Anatolian so not sure how they reached to these numbers


Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.0411% / 0.01041127
73.2BALKAN IRON AGE
15.8Slavic
11.0Anatolian IRON AGE
 
First I get a range of 60%-70% using all samples from Balkan IA but I created a better model and gives me even higher Iron Age with only few samples from Albania+Macedonia+Slavic+Anatolian Iron Age as the above
 
Also I hope those clowns on Apricity don't get butthurt at how Iron Age shifted I am once they see this, one time one of them accused me of manipulating my results, that's how fucking nuts people there are. Its like they want Albanians to be an Anatolian-Slavic population. Hilarious. That we are this pure doesn't seem to suit their agenda. xD
 
Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.0799% / 0.01079921
71.6West-Central-Balkan_IRON AGE
16.4Slavic
12.0AnatolianIA

Samples used:

Western&CentralBalkansIA:Albania_BA_IA:I14688,0.119514,0.160454,0.02225,-0.028101,0.024312,-0.017012,0.00141,-0.001385,-0.001841,0.024237,0.001137,0.008243,-0.019326,-0.003028,-0.007193,-0.016176,-0.008736,0.003674,0.003645,-0.004502,-0.013726,0.009645,-0.001849,0.011809,-0.011855
Western&CentralBalkansIA:Albania_BA_IA:I14690,0.12862,0.146236,0.036958,-0.010982,0.032621,-0.006136,0.00047,0.001846,0.002659,0.018588,0.006171,0.003597,-0.017691,-0.00578,-0.004343,0.00053,0.007171,0.000507,0.004525,-0.00025,-0.012228,0.000247,0.003204,-0.002169,-0.002874
Western&CentralBalkansIA:Montenegro_MLBA:I14501,0.126344,0.155376,0.041483,-0.005168,0.026466,-0.008367,0.001175,0.001846,-0.001227,0.020228,0.003248,0.009591,-0.010109,-0.008257,-0.010993,-0.000796,0.005215,0.002914,0.008673,-0.016008,-0.009858,0.002844,-0.000986,0.016026,-0.003113
Slavic:Czech_Medieval:I20515,0.124067,0.132019,0.06675,0.08075,0.046778,0.031794,0.009165,0.010846,0.002863,-0.031162,-0.003735,-0.015286,0.019177,0.018029,-0.017372,-0.00716,0.004303,0.000633,-0.006913,0.004752,-0.010232,0.002226,0.005793,-0.003012,0.002275
Western&CentralBalkansIA:Macedonia_IA:I7233,0.119514,0.158423,0.007165,-0.045866,0.028313,-0.015897,-0.002115,0.002308,0.014317,0.039545,0.006496,0.009591,-0.019921,-0.007982,-0.034202,-0.009679,0.008605,0.003041,0.00817,-0.013256,-0.007487,0.013973,-0.006532,0.002771,-0.005149
Western&CentralBalkansIA:Macedonia_IA:I8112,0.12862,0.142174,0.026021,-0.011951,0.034468,-0.011992,-0.00188,0.001154,0.003272,0.023691,0.001624,0.008093,-0.020069,-0.01913,-0.006243,0.009679,0.016168,0.005828,0.003394,-0.007504,0.001123,-0.004204,-0.001109,0.003012,-0.008861
Western&CentralBalkansIA:MK:I10389,0.125205,0.149283,0.025644,-0.008398,0.016926,-0.011713,0.0047,-0.005307,-0.003068,0.014761,0.012017,-0.000749,-0.011298,-0.016239,-0.008279,0.002519,0.013951,0.009502,0.007416,0.001626,-0.019466,0.024854,0.000493,0.020123,-0.004191
AnatolianIA:SyriaBA,0.0907738,0.1469979,-0.064959,-0.0934681,-0.0151566,-0.0349309,-0.0044357,-0.0092881,7.69e-05,0.009704,0.0095401,-0.004646,0.0118184,0.0036125,-0.0083976,0.0036296,1.64e-05,0.0038799,0.0061278,0.0013286,0.0052095,0.0033849,-0.0035742,0.0007981,-0.0001497
AnatolianIA:Turkey_IA,0.0990263,0.1381118,-0.0632933,-0.0713292,-0.0275437,-0.0181278,0.0003525,-0.0083842,-0.0219862,-6.08e-05,0.0031397,0.0004748,0.0003222,0.0008028,-0.0057455,0.0027402,0.0036508,-0.00057,0.0048183,-0.0046063,0.0014142,0.0038745,-0.0015818,-0.002691,-0.000978
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monster said:
Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.0799% / 0.01079921
71.6West-Central-Balkan_IRON AGE
16.4Slavic
12.0AnatolianIA

Samples used:
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How does it look when you use a Slavic sample from middle age Poland or Ukraine? Also if you remove the Syrian sample
 
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TaktikatEMalet said:
How does it look when you use a Slavic sample from middle age Poland or Ukraine? Also if you remove the Syrian sample
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Pick freely which Slavic sample you want me to use and also Anatolian/Syrian IA but use the same Balkan IA I used and I will give you my results :)
 
Illyrian tribes below:

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Dardani had probably Thracian input, it is said the Thunatae of the Dardani had Thracian origin, while Liburni and Histri are not included and were prossibly Italic tribes, at least they found R-L2 somewhere around there, some of these northernmost tribes possibly had Celtic or Italic influence. Nish and Scupi were under the Dardani. The Triballi were just next to the Dardani . At one point Celts also passed through those areas
 
Or better yet, create a model using Roman samples for Paleo-Balkan , use the Nish or maybe some other sampes. Might make the results more accurate + Iron Age Anatolian + Slavic
 
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