A Transient Pulse of Genetic Admixture from the Crusaders
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SI53 in eurogenes k13
he cluster with italian abruzzo
i agree very likely he was somekind of central italian
( yes as mention above by matadworf his red sea % is very low and he do have some caucasus tendency )
Kit ZX8440629
Admix Results (sorted):
Population East_Med
[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]27.77[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.57[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.69[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.03[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.63[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.54[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.24[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.53[/TD]
Single Population Sharing:
Population (source) Italian_Abruzzo
[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 1 [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 6.02 [/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Central_Greek[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.11[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]East_Sicilian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.55[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]South_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.27[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]West_Sicilian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.93[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek_Thessaly[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.98[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.73[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.08[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Sephardic_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.39[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Italian_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]15.37[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Bulgarian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.04[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Algerian_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.37[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Turkish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.37[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Romanian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.59[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.21[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tunisian_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.47[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Cyprian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.23[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Libyan_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.25[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.81[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.66[/TD]
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
+ @ + @ + @
[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"] 85.5% [/TD]
[TD="width: 200"] Italian_Abruzzo [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Lezgin[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.93[/TD]
[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tabassaran[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.09[/TD]
[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]83.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]16.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Kumyk[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.17[/TD]
That's probably just an artifact of using K13, I haven't seen anything striking like that for it in the Dodecad calculators that would suggest that. He looks like a normal Southern Italian sample to me. In the 3D PCA it's X,Y,&Z axis all fall in line perfectly for it. Moreover, SI-53 is indeed very close to Abruzzo. Also, since it will not perfectly fit the sample choosing Abruzzo, the algorithm will arbitrarily pick something like that to try to get the closest possible fit, however, we need to use our discretion to consider if it is a likely scenario. IMO, he was a southern Italian that went off to the Crusades, his paternal and maternal lineages can be found in Europe.
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Eurogenes' modern calculators are "off", by his own admission. I don't think his ancient ones are all that great either. That's what happens when you cherry pick sources to get the results you want; you don't get consistency.
That's why Dodecad, even though it's older, is so much more consistent.
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SI53 in eurogenes k13
he cluster with italian abruzzo
i agree very likely he was somekind of central italian
( yes as mention above by matadworf his red sea % is very low and he do have some caucasus tendency )
Kit ZX8440629
Admix Results (sorted):
Population East_Med North_Atlantic
[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]27.77[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.57[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.69[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.03[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.63[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.54[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.24[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.53[/TD]
Single Population Sharing:
Population (source) Italian_Abruzzo Central_Greek
[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 1 [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 6.02 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.11[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]East_Sicilian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.55[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]South_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.27[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]West_Sicilian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.93[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek_Thessaly[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.98[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.73[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.08[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Sephardic_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.39[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Italian_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]15.37[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Bulgarian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.04[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Algerian_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.37[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Turkish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.37[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Romanian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.59[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.21[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tunisian_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.47[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Cyprian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.23[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Libyan_Jewish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.25[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Lebanese_Muslim[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.81[/TD]
[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.66[/TD]
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
+ @ + @ + @
[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 85.5% [/TD]
[TD="width: 200"] Italian_Abruzzo [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Lezgin[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.93[/TD]
[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tabassaran[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.09[/TD]
[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]83.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]16.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Kumyk[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.17[/TD]
Abruzzesi are southern Italian, not central Italian. Distance is 6, not a best fit, it should be seen in a PCA.
[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]85.5%[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Abruzzo[/TD]
[TD]+[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Lezgin[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
All Eurogenes tools, including the G25, have huge flaws. But Dodecad has a lot of problems as well.