Ancient DNA, admx. history and endogamy in the prehistoricAegean Skourtaniotietal2022

eupator · Jan 6, 2023

An imagination of relevant haplogroup R dispersion:

torzio · Jan 14, 2023

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2205272119

The diverse genetic origins of a Classical period Greek army

epirus1000 · Jan 16, 2023

mount123 said:
Yes, J2b-L283. The three samples from Mygdalia, Arcadia, Greece carry a lineage typical of the EBA-IA East Adriatic Western Balkans (EBA Cetina culture and its derivatives onwards namely its late phase Dinaric culture and IA Glasinac-Mati or to put them in other words: the Illyrian sphere) which is the main vector for the spread of this haplogroup. The samples date to 1600-1450 BCE which coincides with the steppe auDNA addition to prehistoric aDNA from Greece. Some upcoming Eastern European studies will enlighten its pre LCA/EBA entry into the Balkans further

It is great that a greek researcher with an albanian surname like Skurtanioti has written about the J2b-L283 in Peloponnesus. Arvanitis everywhere

Jovialis · Jan 16, 2023

Idontknowwhatimdoing said:
I used the default dataset for qpAdm from Harvard.

2) I explained why their models were wrong, did you people not read my explanation?

3) "Professional" geneticists does not hold much value here. being paid to produce research for universities doesn't make you an expert. They make mistakes and are often very outdated. Even Lazaridis from Harvard the creator of qpAdm made mistakes which people on anthrogenica were pointing out before Lazaridis made a new paper that fixed the mistakes.

Actually, they do, and I am here to tell you that they hold more value than you do.

Jovialis · Jan 16, 2023

Pop genetic hobbyists are probably the most pronounced form of the Dunning Krueger effect I could think of, other than the topic of vaccines.

Francesco · Jan 16, 2023

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-022-01952-3

The paper is out

kingjohn · Jan 16, 2023

Yes
Even expert can be wrong they gave
GLI002 - r1b
(Take into count guys that reading bam files y calls
Is not there forte they focus and know much more on the autosomal picture in the southern arc paper laziridis check each sample manualy so i counting on his reading but here who knows )
But he is for sure e1b1b1 at least e-pf1962 derived
P.s
I sent email to theytree to check him out again
If they are wrong will sent them emaill
Though i think it is too late they already published the paper

Update:
Ok the ytree site is sure that this GLI002 dude
Is e-s9621 and not r1b
Unless there was unpredictable contamination case here
The information about him by the paper is wrong
I sent email to one of the authors
Will see if they answere

Omino · Jan 16, 2023

It was about time

Jovialis · Jan 16, 2023

Francesco said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-022-01952-3
The paper is out

Awesome!

Here are the samples labeled.

Code:

Aidonia_LBA:AID001,4.84,0,2.17,1.31,33.24,10,0,0.20,10.47,0,34.97,2.79
Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO1:AID002,3.19,0,1.02,1.80,30.42,9.66,0,0,12.56,0.69,37.66,2.98
Aidonia_LBA:AID007,3.33,0.51,1.33,0.06,34.49,11.32,0,0.04,11.07,0,35.10,2.76
Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO7:AID008,2.79,0.36,2.06,0.49,35.18,9.77,0,0,11.68,0.89,33.80,2.98
Aidonia_LBA:AID009,0.71,0,0.72,0.05,30.95,15.51,0.85,0,7.56,0,39.98,3.68
Aidonia_LBA:AID010,2.86,0.84,5.54,1.29,38.03,7.51,0,0.85,12.04,0,30.39,0.64
Aidonia_LBA_rel.of.AID014-017_lc:AID012,0.01,0,2.45,0,21.39,19.42,5.88,1.19,6.10,0,38.54,5.01
Aidonia_LBA_rel.of.AID012-017:AID014,2.50,0,1.05,1.54,36.77,7.50,0,0,10.66,1.52,35.17,3.29
Aidonia_LBA:AID017,5.93,0,1.71,2.47,29.23,17.25,2.44,0,7.75,0,28.98,4.23
Aposelemis_N:APO004,0,1.16,3.75,0,45.72,0,0.75,0,12.77,0.18,31.60,4.06
Aposelemis_LBA:APO022,0,0,5.42,0,32.52,4.39,0,1.23,11.88,0.48,42.53,1.55
Aposelemis_LBA:APO023,3.24,0,2.43,2.38,35.61,0,0.48,2.12,8.17,0,43.73,1.85
Aposelemis_LBA:APO025,1.18,0,3.76,1.84,37.02,0,0,0,9.98,0,42.85,3.38
Aposelemis_N:APO028,0,2.86,1.55,0,45.60,0,0,0,10.71,0,35.32,3.97
Aposelemis_N:APO029,0,0,3.12,0,47.63,0,0,3.81,14.74,1.06,29.12,0.52
Aposelemis_N:APO037,0,1.62,0,0.06,43.69,0,0,0.74,15.51,0,35.01,3.36
Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.):APO038,4.67,0,6.52,0.36,32.49,11.00,0,2.14,10.04,0,32.78,0
Aposelemis_N:APO043,0,0.86,1.47,0,46.42,0,0,0,13.61,0,32.62,5.02
Aposelemis_N:APO044,0,0,0,0,45.35,0,0,0,13.80,0.77,37.03,3.04
GlykaNera_LBA:GLI002,0,0,2.94,0,42.35,4.04,3.00,1.19,12.87,0,33.61,0
GlykaNera_LBA:GLI003,3.25,0,1.12,0.33,34.47,9.76,0,0,12.01,0,38.59,0.47
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC00,0,0,4.12,0,35.73,0,0,0,13.97,0.22,45.48,0.49
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC026andI0074:HGC002,0,0,1.40,0,34.86,0,0,2.71,12.27,0,48.75,0
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC003,0,0,1.58,0.05,36.41,0.32,0,0,12.47,0.61,48.23,0.32
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC005,0.05,0,2.78,0.30,39.91,0,0,0.65,14.02,0,41.60,0.69
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC006,1.61,0,2.27,0.25,38.09,0,0,0,14.12,0,43.50,0.16
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC008,0,0,3.76,0,37.70,0,0,0,14.31,0.31,42.66,1.26
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC009,0.48,0.13,2.82,0.18,36.43,0.73,0,0.41,15.25,0.40,42.81,0.38
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC010,0,0.35,4.55,0.97,36.67,0,0,0,12.49,0,42.15,2.82
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC024-036-063:HGC013,0,0.25,1.67,0,40.51,0,0,0,13.69,0.40,42.73,0.75
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC015,0,0,3.83,0,36.15,0.56,0,0.24,12.95,0,46.28,0
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC017,0,0,4.67,0,35.30,0.12,0,0,16.44,0.39,42.59,0.49
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC018,0,0,2.00,0,37.82,0,0,0,13.16,0.46,45.54,1.02
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC018-061,0.31,0,1.91,0,37.09,0,0,0,12.46,1.77,42.58,3.88
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC020,0,0,3.35,0.58,36.82,0,0.23,0,13.32,0.62,42.33,2.75
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC025,0,0,3.43,0,40.37,0.34,0,0,13.89,0,40.06,1.91
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC026,0,0,5.44,0,38.76,0,0,0,16.57,0,38.74,0.49
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC031,1.70,0,0,2.19,34.19,3.61,0,0.08,14.24,1.45,40.10,2.43
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC033:HGC033,0,0,5.44,0.20,36.15,0,0,0,15.59,0.06,42.28,0.28
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA(contam.):HGC037,1.85,1.45,3.09,0.90,36.97,0.75,0,0,12.17,0.14,39.08,3.59
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC040,0.91,0,5.50,0.77,36.64,0,0,0.43,13.70,1.71,39.09,1.24
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC041,0,0.06,3.85,1.47,43.47,0,0,1.46,8.90,0.57,37.97,2.26
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC045,7.84,0.22,0,0,41.68,0,0,0,12.04,0,35.91,2.31
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC053,4.43,1.12,6.13,0,33.09,0,0,0,12.24,0,42.29,0.70
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC055,1.93,0.92,4.92,0,34.70,1.91,0,0,12.86,1.00,39.44,2.33
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC024-020-013:HGC063,0,0,1.33,0.82,34.30,0.16,0,0,14.27,0,47.01,2.11
Krousonas_LBA:KRO008,0.88,2.18,3.48,0,32.02,13.26,1.91,0,9.02,0.35,34.08,2.83
Krousonas_LBA:KRO009,2.85,1.23,1.12,0,35.76,16.91,0.49,0,8.91,0.24,29.13,3.37
Krousonas_LBA:KUK001,4.39,1.55,3.96,0,33.85,7.36,0,0,11.40,0.58,34.74,2.16
Krousonas_LBA:KUK002,1.31,0,3.85,1.51,35.44,2.28,0,0,10.76,0.22,42.22,2.42
Krousonas_LBA:KUK005,1.48,0.50,1.66,0,32.07,10.73,0,0.72,12.70,0,39.36,0.79
Krousonas_LBA:KUK006,2.25,0,2.70,0.60,35.63,9.48,0,0.69,11.69,0,35.44,1.51
Lazarides_EBA:LAZ017,0,0,3.44,0.59,37.61,0,0,0.60,13.61,0,44.15,0
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ018,2.65,0,1.94,0,31.38,5.91,0.04,0.70,11.88,0.42,45.09,0
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ019,7.02,0,0,0,37.01,4.58,0,0,14.01,0,37.19,0.20
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ020,4.27,0.24,1.08,0,35.70,2.45,0,0,14.93,0,41.22,0.12
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ021,1.94,0,1.63,0,36.64,8.43,0,0,15.78,0,34.08,1.50
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG001,3.05,0,3.34,1.95,38.88,14.21,0,0,8.35,0,29.75,0.47
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG002,2.32,0,1.81,0,35.42,19.02,0,1.12,7.09,0,30.16,3.07
Mygdalia_LBA:MYG003,3.51,0,3.41,0,32.87,14.39,0,0.03,9.86,0,35.92,0
Mygdalia_LBA:MYG004,1.13,0,1.63,0,41.14,11.71,0,0,11.41,0,32.60,0.39
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG005,6.22,0,2.73,0,36.22,15.35,0,0.61,8.94,0,29.47,0.47
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG006,1.17,0,1.71,0,36.50,17.95,0.42,0,9.88,0,32.37,0
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG008,4.06,0,3.44,0,34.97,16.16,0,0,9.52,0,31.19,0.66
NeaStyra_EBA:NST001,0.22,0,2.22,0,40.78,4.24,0,0,12.21,2.41,34.20,3.72
NeaStyra_EBA:NST004,5.44,0.36,0,0,30.52,0,0.37,0.89,18.70,1.54,40.60,1.58
NeaStyra_EBA:NST005,0,0,2.55,0,44.88,1.21,0,0,13.13,0.71,34.38,3.14
NeaStyra_EBA:NST010,2.15,0,4.33,1.34,28.30,5.52,0,0,14.01,0,41.12,3.23
NeaStyra_EBA:NST012,7.34,0.50,1.31,0,29.40,0,0,0,8.50,3.37,47.45,2.11
Tiryns:LBA:TIR002,1.49,0.80,3.38,1.03,34.30,8.78,0.12,0.61,11.19,0,38.31,0
Chania_LBA:XAN003,0,0,2.54,0.20,37.92,7.57,0,0,12.14,0.63,38.19,0.80
Chania_LBA:XAN007,0,0,2.54,1.10,30.41,9.73,0,0,23.02,0,32.41,0.78
Chania_LBA:XAN013,1.46,0.91,3.58,0.40,33.93,0,0,0.27,14.44,0.48,42.41,2.12
Chania_LBA:XAN014,0,0.01,5.11,0,34.43,2.04,0,0,14.25,2.17,40,1.99
Chania_LBA:XAN015,0,0,3.42,0.01,35.55,0,0,0,14.14,1.40,42.93,2.54
Chania_LBA_(rel.of.XAN017):XAN016,1.32,0,3.61,0,30.14,9.33,1.29,0,9.61,0.09,41.54,3.06
Chania_LBA:XAN017,0.09,0,1.92,0.90,32.89,9.56,0.10,0.13,10.62,0.38,40.27,3.15
Chania_LBA:XAN018,1.89,0.47,0.65,0,33.12,3.49,0,0,11.91,1.22,42.24,5.02
Chania_LBA:XAN021,0.92,0,1.96,0,36.60,7.41,0,0.02,11.91,2.43,35.86,2.89
Chania_LBA:XAN022,6.52,0,0,0.17,26.05,1.98,0,0,14.42,2.24,44.72,3.90
Chania_LBA:XAN023,4.82,1.17,2.84,0,38.76,8.60,0.24,0,9.82,0.14,30.92,2.70
Chania_LBA:XAN024,3.65,0,2.71,0.12,23.98,7.45,0,1.25,12.68,0.96,45.03,2.17
Chania_LBA:XAN025,3.24,0,3.26,0,32.21,5.74,0,0.08,12.72,1.79,38.70,2.26
Chania_LBA:XAN026,7.50,0,3.84,1.60,25.75,8.55,0.34,0.30,10.87,0,37.72,3.53
Chania_LBA:XAN027,2.73,2.32,4.89,0,30.83,7.94,0,0,12.27,1.23,35.01,2.78
Chania_LBA:XAN028,0,0,0.81,0,39.40,0,0,1.40,12.30,1.79,42.22,2.08
Chania_LBA:XAN029,0,0.12,3.67,0.85,36.54,0,0,0,15.19,1.07,39.77,2.78
Chania_LBA:XAN030,5.39,0,0.94,0.08,34.02,20.20,0,0,9.54,0.81,24.87,4.14
Chania_LBA:XAN031,3.62,1.10,3.90,0,35.36,6.87,0,0,7.03,0,39.35,2.77
Chania_LBA:XAN034,0.06,0,4.78,1.22,33.97,3.09,0,0.54,12.87,0,41.51,1.96
Chania_LBA:XAN035,0,0,0,0,39.15,5.18,0,0,12.71,0.81,38.07,4.08
Chania_LBA:XAN036,0,0,3.70,0,36.39,7.39,0,0.11,11.84,0.52,36.46,3.60
Chania_LBA:XAN040,2.54,0,9.08,0,35.75,11.77,0,0,11.99,1.33,25.21,2.34
Chania_LBA:XAN041,0,0.51,2.36,0,34.69,2.22,0,0.66,14.26,1.14,42.29,1.86
Chania_LBA:XAN042,2.63,0,0.94,0,32.87,15.15,0,5.58,9.83,0,33.00,0
Chania_LBA:XAN051,3.71,1.42,4.26,0,33.12,18.38,0,0,7.70,2.31,26.99,2.10
Chania_LBA:XAN053,1.25,0,0.37,1.30,38.25,4.79,0,0,14.93,0,35.70,3.41

Jovialis · Jan 16, 2023

Four samples missing from the set, if someone could post the values that would be great:

HGC032 Hg. Charalambos EMBA

TIR001 Tiryns LBA
TIR008 Tiryns IA
TIR010 Tiryns LBA

Jovialis · Jan 16, 2023

Jovialis said:

Awesome!

Here are the samples labeled.

Code:

Aidonia_LBA:AID001,4.84,0,2.17,1.31,33.24,10,0,0.20,10.47,0,34.97,2.79
Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO1:AID002,3.19,0,1.02,1.80,30.42,9.66,0,0,12.56,0.69,37.66,2.98
Aidonia_LBA:AID007,3.33,0.51,1.33,0.06,34.49,11.32,0,0.04,11.07,0,35.10,2.76
Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO7:AID008,2.79,0.36,2.06,0.49,35.18,9.77,0,0,11.68,0.89,33.80,2.98
Aidonia_LBA:AID009,0.71,0,0.72,0.05,30.95,15.51,0.85,0,7.56,0,39.98,3.68
Aidonia_LBA:AID010,2.86,0.84,5.54,1.29,38.03,7.51,0,0.85,12.04,0,30.39,0.64
Aidonia_LBA_rel.of.AID014-017_lc:AID012,0.01,0,2.45,0,21.39,19.42,5.88,1.19,6.10,0,38.54,5.01
Aidonia_LBA_rel.of.AID012-017:AID014,2.50,0,1.05,1.54,36.77,7.50,0,0,10.66,1.52,35.17,3.29
Aidonia_LBA:AID017,5.93,0,1.71,2.47,29.23,17.25,2.44,0,7.75,0,28.98,4.23
Aposelemis_N:APO004,0,1.16,3.75,0,45.72,0,0.75,0,12.77,0.18,31.60,4.06
Aposelemis_LBA:APO022,0,0,5.42,0,32.52,4.39,0,1.23,11.88,0.48,42.53,1.55
Aposelemis_LBA:APO023,3.24,0,2.43,2.38,35.61,0,0.48,2.12,8.17,0,43.73,1.85
Aposelemis_LBA:APO025,1.18,0,3.76,1.84,37.02,0,0,0,9.98,0,42.85,3.38
Aposelemis_N:APO028,0,2.86,1.55,0,45.60,0,0,0,10.71,0,35.32,3.97
Aposelemis_N:APO029,0,0,3.12,0,47.63,0,0,3.81,14.74,1.06,29.12,0.52
Aposelemis_N:APO037,0,1.62,0,0.06,43.69,0,0,0.74,15.51,0,35.01,3.36
Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.):APO038,4.67,0,6.52,0.36,32.49,11.00,0,2.14,10.04,0,32.78,0
Aposelemis_N:APO043,0,0.86,1.47,0,46.42,0,0,0,13.61,0,32.62,5.02
Aposelemis_N:APO044,0,0,0,0,45.35,0,0,0,13.80,0.77,37.03,3.04
GlykaNera_LBA:GLI002,0,0,2.94,0,42.35,4.04,3.00,1.19,12.87,0,33.61,0
GlykaNera_LBA:GLI003,3.25,0,1.12,0.33,34.47,9.76,0,0,12.01,0,38.59,0.47
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC00,0,0,4.12,0,35.73,0,0,0,13.97,0.22,45.48,0.49
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC026andI0074:HGC002,0,0,1.40,0,34.86,0,0,2.71,12.27,0,48.75,0
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC003,0,0,1.58,0.05,36.41,0.32,0,0,12.47,0.61,48.23,0.32
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC005,0.05,0,2.78,0.30,39.91,0,0,0.65,14.02,0,41.60,0.69
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC006,1.61,0,2.27,0.25,38.09,0,0,0,14.12,0,43.50,0.16
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC008,0,0,3.76,0,37.70,0,0,0,14.31,0.31,42.66,1.26
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC009,0.48,0.13,2.82,0.18,36.43,0.73,0,0.41,15.25,0.40,42.81,0.38
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC010,0,0.35,4.55,0.97,36.67,0,0,0,12.49,0,42.15,2.82
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC024-036-063:HGC013,0,0.25,1.67,0,40.51,0,0,0,13.69,0.40,42.73,0.75
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC015,0,0,3.83,0,36.15,0.56,0,0.24,12.95,0,46.28,0
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC017,0,0,4.67,0,35.30,0.12,0,0,16.44,0.39,42.59,0.49
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC018,0,0,2.00,0,37.82,0,0,0,13.16,0.46,45.54,1.02
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC018-061,0.31,0,1.91,0,37.09,0,0,0,12.46,1.77,42.58,3.88
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC020,0,0,3.35,0.58,36.82,0,0.23,0,13.32,0.62,42.33,2.75
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC025,0,0,3.43,0,40.37,0.34,0,0,13.89,0,40.06,1.91
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC026,0,0,5.44,0,38.76,0,0,0,16.57,0,38.74,0.49
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC031,1.70,0,0,2.19,34.19,3.61,0,0.08,14.24,1.45,40.10,2.43
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC033:HGC033,0,0,5.44,0.20,36.15,0,0,0,15.59,0.06,42.28,0.28
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA(contam.):HGC037,1.85,1.45,3.09,0.90,36.97,0.75,0,0,12.17,0.14,39.08,3.59
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC040,0.91,0,5.50,0.77,36.64,0,0,0.43,13.70,1.71,39.09,1.24
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC041,0,0.06,3.85,1.47,43.47,0,0,1.46,8.90,0.57,37.97,2.26
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC045,7.84,0.22,0,0,41.68,0,0,0,12.04,0,35.91,2.31
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC053,4.43,1.12,6.13,0,33.09,0,0,0,12.24,0,42.29,0.70
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA:HGC055,1.93,0.92,4.92,0,34.70,1.91,0,0,12.86,1.00,39.44,2.33
Hg._Charalambos_EMBA-rel.of.HGC024-020-013:HGC063,0,0,1.33,0.82,34.30,0.16,0,0,14.27,0,47.01,2.11
Krousonas_LBA:KRO008,0.88,2.18,3.48,0,32.02,13.26,1.91,0,9.02,0.35,34.08,2.83
Krousonas_LBA:KRO009,2.85,1.23,1.12,0,35.76,16.91,0.49,0,8.91,0.24,29.13,3.37
Krousonas_LBA:KUK001,4.39,1.55,3.96,0,33.85,7.36,0,0,11.40,0.58,34.74,2.16
Krousonas_LBA:KUK002,1.31,0,3.85,1.51,35.44,2.28,0,0,10.76,0.22,42.22,2.42
Krousonas_LBA:KUK005,1.48,0.50,1.66,0,32.07,10.73,0,0.72,12.70,0,39.36,0.79
Krousonas_LBA:KUK006,2.25,0,2.70,0.60,35.63,9.48,0,0.69,11.69,0,35.44,1.51
Lazarides_EBA:LAZ017,0,0,3.44,0.59,37.61,0,0,0.60,13.61,0,44.15,0
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ018,2.65,0,1.94,0,31.38,5.91,0.04,0.70,11.88,0.42,45.09,0
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ019,7.02,0,0,0,37.01,4.58,0,0,14.01,0,37.19,0.20
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ020,4.27,0.24,1.08,0,35.70,2.45,0,0,14.93,0,41.22,0.12
Lazarides_LBA:LAZ021,1.94,0,1.63,0,36.64,8.43,0,0,15.78,0,34.08,1.50
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG001,3.05,0,3.34,1.95,38.88,14.21,0,0,8.35,0,29.75,0.47
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG002,2.32,0,1.81,0,35.42,19.02,0,1.12,7.09,0,30.16,3.07
Mygdalia_LBA:MYG003,3.51,0,3.41,0,32.87,14.39,0,0.03,9.86,0,35.92,0
Mygdalia_LBA:MYG004,1.13,0,1.63,0,41.14,11.71,0,0,11.41,0,32.60,0.39
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG005,6.22,0,2.73,0,36.22,15.35,0,0.61,8.94,0,29.47,0.47
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG006,1.17,0,1.71,0,36.50,17.95,0.42,0,9.88,0,32.37,0
Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG008,4.06,0,3.44,0,34.97,16.16,0,0,9.52,0,31.19,0.66
NeaStyra_EBA:NST001,0.22,0,2.22,0,40.78,4.24,0,0,12.21,2.41,34.20,3.72
NeaStyra_EBA:NST004,5.44,0.36,0,0,30.52,0,0.37,0.89,18.70,1.54,40.60,1.58
NeaStyra_EBA:NST005,0,0,2.55,0,44.88,1.21,0,0,13.13,0.71,34.38,3.14
NeaStyra_EBA:NST010,2.15,0,4.33,1.34,28.30,5.52,0,0,14.01,0,41.12,3.23
NeaStyra_EBA:NST012,7.34,0.50,1.31,0,29.40,0,0,0,8.50,3.37,47.45,2.11
Tiryns:LBA:TIR002,1.49,0.80,3.38,1.03,34.30,8.78,0.12,0.61,11.19,0,38.31,0
Chania_LBA:XAN003,0,0,2.54,0.20,37.92,7.57,0,0,12.14,0.63,38.19,0.80
Chania_LBA:XAN007,0,0,2.54,1.10,30.41,9.73,0,0,23.02,0,32.41,0.78
Chania_LBA:XAN013,1.46,0.91,3.58,0.40,33.93,0,0,0.27,14.44,0.48,42.41,2.12
Chania_LBA:XAN014,0,0.01,5.11,0,34.43,2.04,0,0,14.25,2.17,40,1.99
Chania_LBA:XAN015,0,0,3.42,0.01,35.55,0,0,0,14.14,1.40,42.93,2.54
Chania_LBA_(rel.of.XAN017):XAN016,1.32,0,3.61,0,30.14,9.33,1.29,0,9.61,0.09,41.54,3.06
Chania_LBA:XAN017,0.09,0,1.92,0.90,32.89,9.56,0.10,0.13,10.62,0.38,40.27,3.15
Chania_LBA:XAN018,1.89,0.47,0.65,0,33.12,3.49,0,0,11.91,1.22,42.24,5.02
Chania_LBA:XAN021,0.92,0,1.96,0,36.60,7.41,0,0.02,11.91,2.43,35.86,2.89
Chania_LBA:XAN022,6.52,0,0,0.17,26.05,1.98,0,0,14.42,2.24,44.72,3.90
Chania_LBA:XAN023,4.82,1.17,2.84,0,38.76,8.60,0.24,0,9.82,0.14,30.92,2.70
Chania_LBA:XAN024,3.65,0,2.71,0.12,23.98,7.45,0,1.25,12.68,0.96,45.03,2.17
Chania_LBA:XAN025,3.24,0,3.26,0,32.21,5.74,0,0.08,12.72,1.79,38.70,2.26
Chania_LBA:XAN026,7.50,0,3.84,1.60,25.75,8.55,0.34,0.30,10.87,0,37.72,3.53
Chania_LBA:XAN027,2.73,2.32,4.89,0,30.83,7.94,0,0,12.27,1.23,35.01,2.78
Chania_LBA:XAN028,0,0,0.81,0,39.40,0,0,1.40,12.30,1.79,42.22,2.08
Chania_LBA:XAN029,0,0.12,3.67,0.85,36.54,0,0,0,15.19,1.07,39.77,2.78
Chania_LBA:XAN030,5.39,0,0.94,0.08,34.02,20.20,0,0,9.54,0.81,24.87,4.14
Chania_LBA:XAN031,3.62,1.10,3.90,0,35.36,6.87,0,0,7.03,0,39.35,2.77
Chania_LBA:XAN034,0.06,0,4.78,1.22,33.97,3.09,0,0.54,12.87,0,41.51,1.96
Chania_LBA:XAN035,0,0,0,0,39.15,5.18,0,0,12.71,0.81,38.07,4.08
Chania_LBA:XAN036,0,0,3.70,0,36.39,7.39,0,0.11,11.84,0.52,36.46,3.60
Chania_LBA:XAN040,2.54,0,9.08,0,35.75,11.77,0,0,11.99,1.33,25.21,2.34
Chania_LBA:XAN041,0,0.51,2.36,0,34.69,2.22,0,0.66,14.26,1.14,42.29,1.86
Chania_LBA:XAN042,2.63,0,0.94,0,32.87,15.15,0,5.58,9.83,0,33.00,0
Chania_LBA:XAN051,3.71,1.42,4.26,0,33.12,18.38,0,0,7.70,2.31,26.99,2.10
Chania_LBA:XAN053,1.25,0,0.37,1.30,38.25,4.79,0,0,14.93,0,35.70,3.41

Angela · Jan 16, 2023

Mine

Distance to:	Angela
7.25111026	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG001
7.55980820	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG005
7.73159104	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG002
8.01834771	Krousonas_LBA:KRO009
8.92572126	Chania_LBA:XAN051
8.95371431	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG008
9.10321921	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG006
9.27554311	Chania_LBA:XAN030
11.73214814	Mygdalia_LBA:MYG004
12.61049959	Chania_LBA:XAN023
13.16148168	Chania_LBA:XAN042
13.17628552	Aidonia_LBA:AID017
13.36185242	Chania_LBA:XAN040
13.80711773	Mygdalia_LBA:MYG003
14.33918059	Krousonas_LBA:KRO008
14.55109274	Aidonia_LBA:AID007
14.58665829	Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.):APO038
14.63215979	Aidonia_LBA:AID010
14.82485076	Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO7:AID008
15.54170197	Aidonia_LBA:AID001
15.55961118	Krousonas_LBA:KUK006
16.44675044	Aidonia_LBA_rel.of.AID012-017:AID014
17.15355065	Krousonas_LBA:KUK001
17.31764418	Lazarides_LBA:LAZ021
17.51841317	Chania_LBA:XAN021

Target: Angela Distance: 6.1867% / 6.18665639
69.1	Mygdalia_LBA-related

30.9	Chania_LBA

My closest match:

Distance to:	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG001
5.92505662	France_Corsica
8.65147144	Italy_Marche
9.24605862	Italy_Romagna
9.92418813	Italy_Tuscany
10.19502742	Italy_Lazio
11.12770421	Italy_Emilia
11.51579742	Italy_Liguria
11.75011530	Italy_Abruzzo
12.51849695	Italy_Campania
13.60116589	Italy_Lombardy
13.64599667	Italy_Sicily
14.62531395	Italy_Apulia
15.08419703	Greek
15.09677416	Italy_Piedmont
15.11545636	Italy_Calabria
15.45931743	Italy_Veneto
16.47231010	Albanian_Kosovo
16.79211124	Ashkenazi
17.20410126	Albanian_North
17.42250556	Ashkenazy_Jews
17.59016522	Swiss_Italian
18.01709122	Italy_FriuliVG
18.85956892	Italy_Trentino
19.23832113	Sephardic_Jews
19.34186651	Morocco_Jews

Closest Chania match:

Distance to:	Chania_LBA:XAN051
5.58815336	Italy_Marche
5.82701467	Italy_Romagna
5.84847621	Italy_Lazio
7.46058778	Italy_Tuscany
7.91049404	France_Corsica
8.55298141	Italy_Emilia
8.81339039	Italy_Liguria
9.45395302	Italy_Abruzzo
10.87102111	Albanian_Kosovo
11.29174690	Italy_Apulia
11.40854318	Italy_Lombardy
11.59202312	Albanian_North
11.60504844	Italy_Veneto
11.62612666	Italy_Piedmont
11.76066431	Italy_Sicily
11.80081379	Italy_Campania
12.97031611	Greek
13.21505793	Italy_FriuliVG
13.52614875	Turk_Macedonia
13.65014652	Turk_Greece
14.57470324	Italy_Calabria
14.72183964	Swiss_Italian
15.39739458	Italy_Trentino
15.70401223	Gagauz
16.11201725	Ashkenazi

Target: Angela Distance: 6.1867% / 6.18665639
69.1	Mygdalia_LBA-related

30.9	Chania_LBA

torzio · Jan 16, 2023

mine

Distance to: Torziok12b
10.52441447 Chania_LBA:XAN030
12.98159081 Chania_LBA:XAN051
14.10970234 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG002
15.07711842 Krousonas_LBA:KRO009
15.59644511 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG005
15.94243708 Aidonia_LBA:AID017
16.42843876 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG008
16.73547131 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG006
17.46925299 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG001
19.57784462 Chania_LBA:XAN042
19.98220959 Chania_LBA:XAN040
21.15793704 Mygdalia_LBA:MYG003
21.64013170 Krousonas_LBA:KRO008
22.13996838 Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.):APO038
22.18464559 Mygdalia_LBA:MYG004
22.64206925 Chania_LBA:XAN023
22.92103619 Aidonia_LBA:AID007
23.57960559 Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO7:AID008
23.66309997 Aidonia_LBA:AID001
24.19269931 Aidonia_LBA:AID010
24.44192914 Aidonia_LBA:AID009
24.71063941 Krousonas_LBA:KUK006
25.83173049 Krousonas_LBA:KUK001
26.00364590 Lazarides_LBA:LAZ021
26.06477316 Aidonia_LBA_rel.of.AID012-017:AID014

Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 10.5244% / 10.52441447
100.0 Chania_LBA

Palermo Trapani · Jan 17, 2023

Happy New Years Everyone. My top 25 distances and 4-way source model. Thanks Jovialis for the coordinates.

Distance to:	PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
5.91870763	Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.):APO038
6.80688622	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG008
6.85733184	Mygdalia_LBA:MYG003
7.27191859	Aidonia_LBA:AID001
7.50045332	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG005
8.01035580	Aidonia_LBA:AID007
8.51993545	Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO7:AID008
8.53646882	Chania_LBA:XAN042
8.73668129	Krousonas_LBA:KUK001
8.77149930	Krousonas_LBA:KRO008
8.85510587	Chania_LBA:XAN027
8.90842298	Aidonia_LBA:AID017
9.21955530	Krousonas_LBA:KUK006
9.29902683	Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO1:AID002
9.80698730	Krousonas_LBA:KRO009
9.91069120	Chania_LBA:XAN051
10.11430176	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG006
10.13300054	GlykaNera_LBA:GLI003
10.24037597	Chania_LBA:XAN026
10.42399156	Krousonas_LBA:KUK005
10.46963705	Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG001
10.57207170	Lazarides_LBA:LAZ021
10.73959031	Aidonia_LBA:AID010
10.74652502	Chania_LBA:XAN023
10.82231029	Tiryns:LBA:TIR002

Target: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY Distance: 3.0399% / 3.03992731
56.4	Chania_LBA

30.7	Mygdalia_LBA-related

11.4	Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.)

1.5	Aidonia_LBA

Jovialis · Jan 17, 2023

Thanks, but Salento did all the hardwork for producing the coordinates. Labeling was a far easier task in comparison.

Salento · Jan 17, 2023

Jovialis said:
Four samples missing from the set, if someone could post the values that would be great:

HGC032 Hg. Charalambos EMBA

TIR001 Tiryns LBA
TIR008 Tiryns IA
TIR010 Tiryns LBA

Hi Jovialis, ... the missing samples:

Code:

HgCharalambos_EMBA:HGC032,0,0.15,3.17,0,34.27,0.91,0.51,0,17.46,0,42.68,0.86
Tiryns_LBA:TIR001,0.35,0.13,3.79,0,27.21,9.96,0,0,8.57,0,48.26,1.73
Tiryns_IA:TIR008,0,0,4.18,0,36.68,8.68,0,0,12.53,1.10,36.17,0.66
Tiryns_LBA:TIR010,0.13,0,0,0,28.89,7.73,0,1.43,14.16,0.57,47.09,0

Dodecad K12 cover. (genotype ratio) :
HGC032 26%
TIR010 42%
TIR008 33%
TIR001 11%

Palermo Trapani · Jan 17, 2023

Jovialis said:
Thanks, but Salento did all the hardwork for producing the coordinates. Labeling was a far easier task in comparison.

Oh sorry about that, Missed that.

Palermo Trapani · Jan 17, 2023

Salento said:
Hi Jovialis, ... the missing samples:

Code:

HgCharalambos_EMBA:HGC032,0,0.15,3.17,0,34.27,0.91,0.51,0,17.46,0,42.68,0.86 Tiryns_LBA:TIR001,0.35,0.13,3.79,0,27.21,9.96,0,0,8.57,0,48.26,1.73 Tiryns_IA:TIR008,0,0,4.18,0,36.68,8.68,0,0,12.53,1.10,36.17,0.66 Tiryns_LBA:TIR010,0.13,0,0,0,28.89,7.73,0,1.43,14.16,0.57,47.09,0

Dodecad K12 cover. (genotype ratio) :
HGC032 26%
TIR010 42%
TIR008 33%
TIR001 11%

Salento: Thanks for your work, I haven't been posting so far this new years and missed where you estimated the coordinates. Mea culpa!!! Great work.

Angela · Jan 17, 2023

Palermo Trapani said:
Happy New Years Everyone. My top 25 distances and 4-way source model. Thanks Jovialis for the coordinates.

Distance to: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
5.91870763 Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.):APO038
6.80688622 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG008
6.85733184 Mygdalia_LBA:MYG003
7.27191859 Aidonia_LBA:AID001
7.50045332 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG005
8.01035580 Aidonia_LBA:AID007
8.51993545 Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO7:AID008
8.53646882 Chania_LBA:XAN042
8.73668129 Krousonas_LBA:KUK001
8.77149930 Krousonas_LBA:KRO008
8.85510587 Chania_LBA:XAN027
8.90842298 Aidonia_LBA:AID017
9.21955530 Krousonas_LBA:KUK006
9.29902683 Aidonia_LBA-rel.of.AIDOO1:AID002
9.80698730 Krousonas_LBA:KRO009
9.91069120 Chania_LBA:XAN051
10.11430176 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG006
10.13300054 GlykaNera_LBA:GLI003
10.24037597 Chania_LBA:XAN026
10.42399156 Krousonas_LBA:KUK005
10.46963705 Mygdalia_LBA-related:MYG001
10.57207170 Lazarides_LBA:LAZ021
10.73959031 Aidonia_LBA:AID010
10.74652502 Chania_LBA:XAN023
10.82231029 Tiryns:LBA:TIR002

Target: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
Distance: 3.0399% / 3.03992731

56.4 Chania_LBA
30.7 Mygdalia_LBA-related
11.4 Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.)
1.5 Aidonia_LBA

You probably did this already, but just in case, your closest match:

Distance to:	Aposelemis_N(lc_conam.):APO038
7.12302787	Italy_Campania
7.20174458	Italy_Sicily
7.87221441	Italy_Abruzzo
7.94247988	Italy_Calabria
9.88481047	Italy_Marche
10.24325378	Italy_Apulia
10.38838775	Ashkenazi
10.87306599	Italy_Lazio
10.96588802	Ashkenazy_Jews
11.37888395	Sephardic_Jews
11.54934630	Morocco_Jews
12.84184566	Italy_Romagna
12.87147233	Greek_Crete
12.94524685	France_Corsica
12.95687462	Greek
15.14302645	Italy_Tuscany
16.73217974	Italy_Emilia
17.21591142	Italy_Liguria
17.88023490	Crimean_Tatar_Coast
18.12428757	Albanian_Kosovo
18.82051540	Turk_Macedonia
19.11128724	Albanian_North
19.61505034	Turk_Greece
19.98510439	Italy_Lombardy
20.59628826	Italy_Piedmont

Palermo Trapani · Jan 17, 2023

Angela: Thanks, I actually had not done that yet. Campania/Sicily, Sicily/Campania always seem to pop up for me so totally in line for my distances relative to modern Italian regions. I have been working on running the Himera_Sicilian_Greek/Sicani samples against these new ones. lots of close distances < 5 for many of them. Not really surprising, but neat to see and confirm the close distances between the samples in those 2 papers. I tried to post them here but if I don't post and reply quick enough, it kicks me out for some reason. So I need to run the analysis, snip it and do it that way. If you have the Himera coordinates handy, take a look at them and let me know what you think.

Thanks again, PT

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