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Question Appropriate G25 Calculator For Ethnic Albanians

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Can someone knowledgeable regarding ethnic Albanians assist in sharing the appropriate source populations and their coordinates to create an appropriate G25 calculator for analyzing the ancestry of ethnic Albanians? I am interested in determining relevant source populations for certain Albanian samples. I was using Vahaduo and their modern source populations and observed some odd results. Many of the Albanian samples that I was looking at barely had any ethnic Albanian ancestry. Below are some examples of what I am seeing when I use Vahaduo modern source populations.

Target: Albanian_Family_Origin_North_J2a-2177
Distance: 1.9338% / 0.01933839 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.8Greek_Argolis
30.2Albanian
13.0Sardinian
4.0French_Corsica

Target: Albanian_Family_Origin_South
Distance: 1.3936% / 0.01393622 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.0Rumelia_East
8.8Macedonian
8.4Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
6.6Pomak_Almopia_Plain
4.2Pomak_Tikves_Plain

Target: Albanian_Family_Origin_North
Distance: 1.3656% / 0.01365559 | ADC: 0.5x RC
79.4Albanian
20.6Rumelia_East
 
Abaris said:
Can someone knowledgeable regarding ethnic Albanians assist in sharing the appropriate source populations and their coordinates to create an appropriate G25 calculator for analyzing the ancestry of ethnic Albanians? I am interested in determining relevant source populations for certain Albanian samples. I was using Vahaduo and their modern source populations and observed some odd results. Many of the Albanian samples that I was looking at barely had any ethnic Albanian ancestry. Below are some examples of what I am seeing when I use Vahaduo modern source populations.

Target: Albanian_Family_Origin_North_J2a-2177
Distance: 1.9338% / 0.01933839 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.8Greek_Argolis
30.2Albanian
13.0Sardinian
4.0French_Corsica

Target: Albanian_Family_Origin_South
Distance: 1.3936% / 0.01393622 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.0Rumelia_East
8.8Macedonian
8.4Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
6.6Pomak_Almopia_Plain
4.2Pomak_Tikves_Plain

Target: Albanian_Family_Origin_North
Distance: 1.3656% / 0.01365559 | ADC: 0.5x RC
79.4Albanian
20.6Rumelia_East
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The first family that you mention from the North with J2a....Are they from a tribal region?
 
J Man said:
The first family that you mention from the North with J2a....Are they from a tribal region?
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Yes, I believe they are from a tribal region. I believe his line lived around Diber and his line followed Bektashism for many generations.

Do you know anything about J2a-2177 regarding Albanians or J2a at all amongst Albanians? J2a doesn't seem to be common amongst Albanians or Balkan people other than Greeks. Based on his Vahaduo results in the original post, he has a lot of non-Albanian ancestry such as Greek and Sardinian (I am not aware of any Sardinian-related history with Albanians) compared to the other Northern Albanian sample who appears to be relatively very Albanan.
 
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Abaris said:
Can someone knowledgeable regarding ethnic Albanians assist in sharing the appropriate source populations and their coordinates to create an appropriate G25 calculator for analyzing the ancestry of ethnic Albanians? I am interested in determining relevant source populations for certain Albanian samples. I was using Vahaduo and their modern source populations and observed some odd results. Many of the Albanian samples that I was looking at barely had any ethnic Albanian ancestry. Below are some examples of what I am seeing when I use Vahaduo modern source populations.
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They're Albanian, but you're using modern sources which have similar drift to Albanians so they end up being modeled by them. Example: Greeks from Argolis are Arvanites and have a lot of Albanian ancestry so they can be used to model Albanians. Use ancient or medieval models instead.

For models which are tailored for Albanians check @lezagacy on X
 
Veriu said:
They're Albanian, but you're using modern sources which have similar drift to Albanians so they end up being modeled by them. Example: Greeks from Argolis are Arvanites and have a lot of Albanian ancestry so they can be used to model Albanians. Use ancient or medieval models instead.

For models which are tailored for Albanians check @lezagacy on X
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"Greeks from Argolis are Arvanites and have a lot of Albanian ancestry so they can be used to model Albanians."
Pseudohistorical nonsense has no place in a scientific forum
 
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