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Autosomal analysis of Yamna, Corded Ware and Bell Beaker samples

JS Bach said:
I didn't find Estonians for Dodecad K12b, but I found two Lithuanian samples there.

Here are the Dodecad K12b results, and also the Eurogenes K15 results.

I guess since more than 93% of the genes of these modern Balts comes from the first four categories in Eurogenes 15, maybe they are the most closely related to the ancient European hunter-gatherers.

Actually, the Caucasus component in the modern samples looks like the Gedrosia component in the 2,000-year-old sample.


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[TD="class: xl68"]Dodecad K12b[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63"]Population[/TD]
[TD="class: xl63"]Lithuanian_D[/TD]
[TD="class: xl63, width: 133"]Lithuanians[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]RISE00[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Source[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 109"]Dodecad[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 133"]Behar[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]N[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]9.76%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]0.27%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Southeast_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Atlantic_Med[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]13.9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]13.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]32.02%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]73.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]77.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]56.99%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]0.96%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]East_African[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]East_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Caucasus[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]10.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 144"]Sub_Saharan[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 109"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 133"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]-[/TD]



[TD="class: xl70"]Eurogenes K15[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67"]Population[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]RISE00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Estonian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Lithuanian[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]North_Sea[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]37.87%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]26.23[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]20.15[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]30.48%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]16.33[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]15.72[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]18.50%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]30.12[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]36.36[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Eastern_Euro[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]13.16%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]20.68[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]21.18[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]1.83[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]2.5[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.56[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]1.63[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.01[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.61[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.34[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.53[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.61[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Southeast_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.02[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.06[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]2.13[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.13[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]1.09[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.36[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.46[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.19[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Northeast_African[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.11[/TD]

[TD="class: xl67, width: 122"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]-[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]0.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]0.06[/TD]
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Thanks. It's interesting to notice all the Corded people seem richer for North Sea (element among the 'nordic' classic type I think) than today Balts and Estonians, spite being lower for other northern component ('baltic') and even 'east-euro'; higher for 'atlantic' - at the contrary, no 'caucasus' component in them in these calculations.
It could confirm the passage of Corded people throught South before reaching the northern lands of Europe and the origin somewhere around the North-East of Caspian Sea of some elements contributing ot the 'nordic' dolichocephalic phenotype ("nordic" today, geographically speaking); it could explain also the shorter distance between 'northwest-euro' and 'westasian' (without separating, helas, 'gedrosia' from 'caucasus') than between 'baltic' and 'westasian', in some poolings.... the %s dominating depigmentation among the 'nordic' phenotype nad the longiligne skeleton could have been picked in central Eurasia of ancient times, not in North Europe...

 
all the way the ancient (perhaps ghosty) 'gedrosia' is in fact more linked to a northern component than to modern 'caucasus'; even above
I cannot put on the algorythms errors the fact that modern 'gedrosia' and 'caucasus' show very different absolute but also relative %s in TODAY populations of Eurasia:
is it an hazard if almost everytime you can link a lot of regions relatively rich either for ratio 'basque'/'sardinian' or 'gedrosia'/'caucasus'? Then 'gedrosia' seems relatively "northern" and 'caucasus' : "southern" and it does not seem an error betweeb 'gedrosia' abd 'caucasus' - 'gedrosia 'seems to me "steppic" and linked to Y-R1b more than to Y-R1a or otehrs;
could it be linked to a kind of 'tadjik' ancient population ?
 
JS Bach said:
Yes, that surprises me that the Els Trocs R1b sample could be so completely opposite in Eurogenes 15 from the Samara R1b samples of around the sample time period. But I guess that would be the reason, with the Els Trocs and Basque R1b’s mating with an autosomally Sardinian-like population – although how the Basques got a different language would be another question. Here are the results of these R’s for Eurogenes 15:



[TD="class: xl70"]Eurogenes 15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"][/TD]

[TD="class: xl73"]Population[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Mal'ta
Siberia[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 65"]Samara
Russia[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 65"]Els Trocs
Spain[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 65"]Yamnaya
Samara
Russia[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 65"]Corded
Ware
Germany[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 79"]Bell
Beaker
Germany[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74, width: 79"]Me
Canada[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]Age[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]24,000 ybp[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]7,500 ybp[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]7,000 ybp[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]5,000 ybp[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]4,400 ybp[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]4,250 ybp[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]0 ybp[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]Y-dna Haplogroup[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]R*[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]R1b1a*[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]R1b1*[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]R1b1a2a*[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]R1a1a1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]R1b1a2a1a2[/TD]
[TD="class: xl77"]R1b1a2a1a1[/TD]

[TD="class: xl78"]North_Sea[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]15.91%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]25.51[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.01[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]22.57[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]25.93[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]36.57[/TD]
[TD="class: xl79, width: 79"]34.08%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl78"]Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.01[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]25.14[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]5.55[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]27.79[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]29.08[/TD]
[TD="class: xl80, width: 79"]28.20%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl78"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]6.54%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]17.68[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]13.9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]12.84[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]12.89[/TD]
[TD="class: xl81, width: 79"]6.18%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl78"]Eastern_Euro[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]38.02%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]41.73[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]28.6[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]17.26[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]7.22[/TD]
[TD="class: xl82, width: 79"]6.84%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]61.98[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl83, width: 79"]9.76%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]19.61[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]11.6[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]12.34[/TD]
[TD="class: xl84, width: 79"]5.22%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]11.98[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl81, width: 79"]5.53%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.89[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.01[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.04[/TD]
[TD="class: xl85, width: 79"]2.38%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl78"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]20.31%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]1.99[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]5.59[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]3.09[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.57[/TD]
[TD="class: xl86, width: 79"]0.56%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]Southeast_Asian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl87, width: 79"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.18[/TD]
[TD="class: xl88, width: 79"]1.03%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl78"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]18.62%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]12.02[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]4.18[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]1.49[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]1.09[/TD]
[TD="class: xl87, width: 79"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl78"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]0.12%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]1.07[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, align: right"]0.01[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl87, width: 79"]-[/TD]

[TD="class: xl75"]Northeast_African[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl86, width: 79"]0.20%[/TD]

[TD="class: xl89"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="class: xl90, align: right"]0.47%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl91"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl91"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl91"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl91"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl91"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl92, width: 79"]-[/TD]


From the new samples, I look somewhat more like a Bell Beaker than a Corded Ware dude, and have nearly all NorthWestern European ancestry that’s mostly English, with the other one-sixteenth being Jewish. Maybe the Bell Beakers contributed more genes to modern NorthWest Europeans than Corded Ware / Yamna did.
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JS Bach said:
I've been trying other populations from Eurogenes 15 with this model, and here are a couple more:


[TD="class: xl66"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]R-Squared[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Anglo-Saxon[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Celt[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Bell Beaker[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Intercept[/TD]

[TD="class: xl70"]Danish[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.995665[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.57223[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]-0.02596[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.452749[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]0.006023[/TD]

[TD="class: xl73"]North_Dutch[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]0.995606[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]0.672777[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]-0.1185[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]0.450742[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]-0.03299[/TD]
These two seem to fit the model very well, and come out as a mixture of the Hinxton Anglo-Saxons and the Bell Beakers, with a bit less of the Bell Beakers. Maybe they correspond to the Angle, Frisian, Jute and Danish Viking invasions of England. The West Scottish and Irish come out as the opposite, with the same components but the large majority being the Hinxton Celts.


Now here are the Germans:


[TD="class: xl66"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]R-Squared[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Anglo-Saxon[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Celt[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Bell Beaker[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Intercept[/TD]

[TD="class: xl70"]North_German[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.991923[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]-0.19132[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.663382[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.505257[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]0.151681[/TD]

[TD="class: xl70"]West_German[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.962378[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]1.570118[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]-1.66584[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.991526[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]0.692574[/TD]

[TD="class: xl73"]East_German[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]0.965777[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]0.686971[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]-1.81043[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]2.148594[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]-0.1685[/TD]
Looking at the North Germans, I thought maybe the Saxons brought over a Hinxton Celtic-Bell Beaker mix. (The South Dutch and French were also high in Bell Beakers) But then, the West and East Germans had more of the Hinxton Anglo-Saxon component and less of the Hinxton Celts -- although their models didn't fit as well.


Now for the Scandinavians:


[TD="class: xl66"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]R-Squared[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Anglo-Saxon[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Celt[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]Bell Beaker[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Intercept[/TD]

[TD="class: xl70"]West_Norwegian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.990316[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]2.251309[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]-1.97525[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.757186[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]-0.22386[/TD]

[TD="class: xl70"]Norwegian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.986636[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]2.07966[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]-2.0498[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.991973[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]-0.14615[/TD]

[TD="class: xl70"]Icelandic[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.993988[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.742832[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]-0.2822[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.58937[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]-0.33384[/TD]

[TD="class: xl70"]Orcadian[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.998015[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.547285[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]0.498763[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]-0.06765[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]0.144096[/TD]

[TD="class: xl73"]Swedish[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]0.970309[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]1.96859[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]-1.97326[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71, align: right"]1.019808[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]-0.10206[/TD]
The Norwegians, Icelanders and Swedes had lots of the Hinxton Anglo-Saxons plus some Bell Beakers, and were low in Hinxton Celts. However, the intercepts were higher, thus suggesting additional components and confounding the results more. The Orcadians had a more even blend of the two Hinxton groups and had less of the Bell Beakers, which made sense to me, seeing how different from the rest of Britain they come out as on other genetic population measures. I don't see much evidence against them being largely a mixture of the West Norwegian and West Scottish samples. All the other populations I tried had lower R-squared values.
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Spot on Bach!!!

My Northern Dutch K15


[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]North_Sea[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]39.01[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]27.71[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]12.19[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Eastern_Euro[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]10.20[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]5.86[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.80[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.51[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.02[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Southeast_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.48[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Northeast_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.22[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

In every analysis this comes close to the Bell Beaker (especially the North Sea component) too. But especially with higher and Eastern Euro the Corded Ware component is higher than in the Bell Beaker (or yours).

I think that's the North Sea gene pool, or a Zoned Beakers in which Corded Ware (CW) an Bell Beaker (BB) both played a part. This area is Northern Dutch, Northwest Germany and Southwestern Scandinavia (Denmark/Norway).

In K15 represented with on one hand typically Bell Beaker components like 1/3 and more North Sea ánd a relative higher Southwestern Europe component like West Med (CW=0!) than CW on the other with a relative bigger East-European component than in BB which is typically CW.

The genetics of this area has the same genetic 'matrushka' within this cultural complexes:
1. Ertebølle, HG culture (about 50% in these region!)
2. Funnelbeaker, Early Neolithic (influx from EEF)
3. Corded ware/ single grave, Neolithic
4. Bell Beaker, Late Neolithic


As stated elsewhere I think C.S. Coon has a case when he stated in Races of Europe (1948), page 156: 'The Bell Beaker people who remained in the Rhinelands, however, came into intimate contact with the Corded people, who had invaded from the east and northeast, and with the corridor-tomb megalithic population to the north, whose domain extended down into the Netherlands. These three, of which the Bell Beaker element formed perhaps the dominant one, amalgamated to form an Early Bronze Age cultural unit, the so-called Zoned Beaker people who invaded England an Scotland as the first important carriers of metal.'
 
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I don't remember in which thread Tomenable or Northerners gave me auDNA admixt K15 for 5 Scandinavian CWC - but their results show neat differences with 4 CWC from Espersetdt, the Scandinavians seeming more Northwestern (so with a bit of local input taken on the road?

4 Esperstedt CWC: N-Sea / Atlan / Balt / EEuro / WMed / WAsia / SthAsia / EMed / RSea / Siber / Amer / SEAsi / Ocean / NEAfri / SSA
28,44 / 19,01 / 15,38 / 19,30 / 0,00 / 11,20 / 3,45 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,12 / 2,07 / 0,00 / 0,43 / 0,62 / 0,00 /
5 Scandinavian(?) CWC: same order
41,61 / 26,79 / 11,60 / 8,65 / 5,52 / 2,94 / 0,21 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,02 / 0,00 / 0,50 /
 
MOESAN said:
I don't remember in which thread Tomenable or Northerners gave me auDNA admixt K15 for 5 Scandinavian CWC - but their results show neat differences with 4 CWC from Espersetdt, the Scandinavians seeming more Northwestern (so with a bit of local input taken on the road?

4 Esperstedt CWC: N-Sea / Atlan / Balt / EEuro / WMed / WAsia / SthAsia / EMed / RSea / Siber / Amer / SEAsi / Ocean / NEAfri / SSA
28,44 / 19,01 / 15,38 / 19,30 / 0,00 / 11,20 / 3,45 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,12 / 2,07 / 0,00 / 0,43 / 0,62 / 0,00 /
5 Scandinavian(?) CWC: same order
41,61 / 26,79 / 11,60 / 8,65 / 5,52 / 2,94 / 0,21 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,00 / 0,02 / 0,00 / 0,50 /
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Thanks Moesan. Must have been Tomenable. But when I compare my aDNA with CW Eperstedt and CW Scandinavia my aDNA comes very close to the Scandinavian in stead of Eperstedt. I guess Ertebølle and Funnelbeaker, your 'local input' make the difference to Eperstedt.


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I think in your case and the Scandinavian CWC 's case that the Ertebölle pops had a stronger input than FBK had, wta doesn't totally exclude FBK of course. Personal thought.
 
MOESAN said:
I think in your case and the Scandinavian CWC 's case that the Ertebölle pops had a stronger input than FBK had, wta doesn't totally exclude FBK of course. Personal thought.
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I'am curios why you take the HG of Ertebølle more in account than Funnelbeaker. But I must admit I'am like the Scandinavians pretty high in HG about 50% that would-be support your thoughts/intuitions....


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It's official, Fatyanovo-Balanovo was Turkic. Germano-Turkic Ogurski relationship approved.
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Alpakut said:
It's official, Fatyanovo-Balanovo was Turkic. Germano-Turkic Ogurski relationship approved.
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What it is based on? proto-Turkic writings?!? Not evident at first sight!
 
MOESAN said:
What it is based on? proto-Turkic writings?!? Not evident at first sight!
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He just took the image from Nordqvist and Heyd 2020 and did some Paint work on it.
 
@halfalp
But it's very interesting !?! We are now with Fatyanovo IEan-Finno-Ougric-Turkic! What else? Semitic?
 
MOESAN said:
@halfalp
But it's very interesting !?! We are now with Fatyanovo IEan-Finno-Ougric-Turkic! What else? Semitic?
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Calm down, Turkish Nationalist/Grey Wolves are always first when it comes to making everything Indo-Iranian into Turkic or Proto-Turkic. They play this game since decades. Nothing new about it.
 
Anfänger said:
Calm down, Turkish Nationalist/Grey Wolves are always first when it comes to making everything Indo-Iranian into Turkic or Proto-Turkic. They play this game since decades. Nothing new about it.
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and Not only,
 
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