Politics Balkanian disagreements.

[ukaj]

1- Standard official Albanian language is mostly from tosk words. Although it has some gheg words. Indeed, the standard language it's killing the dialects both, but mostly the gheg. I think Albania should rewrite the standard language and use both gheg and tosk, because both are important for the history and for the culture heritage of Balkans.

As I see from your posts you don't like the old system communist. Me too. But I don't hate the other branch of Albanian just because they were more part of the old system. I really wish that in Albania would have not an official language. In USA and in Britain they don't have an official language .

1000% agreed.I dont think it should split i think both dilects should learn an people should learn from eachother..For me i love southern traditions shume bukur.My grandfather said to me long long time ago.Ghegs an tosks would meet up an the ghegs would play the music for the tosks while they would dance an sing pholophonic would be good if this happen again,,

 

[ukaj]

Even said that i dont agree that all arbreshe an arbanties were all tosks their is no way.An my reason for this posts is to show people who really albanians were,If this is true about medievil arbreshe an arbanties are the old albanians then you my friends were never albanians in the first place,because GHEG WAS WRITTEN DOWN FROM THE TIMES ARBRESHE AN ARBANTIES WERE IN BALKANS.See my point.

Mollos was the name of an ancient epirot tribe. You can find easily Albanian settlements called Mollas. Dardha also . Either in ghegland and in toskland. Tosks calls the people of dardha, -dardhar. In ghegland were are also settlements called dardha, the inhabitants are called dardhan.[/QUOTE] dardh is the kosova albanians this is why they fight,an this why they fight for parts of macedonia because they belive it was our ancestors land an i agree

 

[ukaj]

Probably proto illyrian migrated from the north, when they came from supposed pontic steppes. So it makes sense that firstly they settled in modern ghegland than in toskland. Tosk and gheg probably evolved independently from each other. The tosk was influenced during a certain point of history from the gheg because of some migrations. But that's all. The core of the tosk is pure, it's different from the gheg. They survived to the helenization


The theory of the Jirenek line has a lot of holes, and is influenced by anti Albanian circles.

remeber how sicluded we live to north vlla.

 

[ukaj]

I think its better for the Albanian nation to be split in half between gheg and tosks lines so the world does not loose one of these ethnic identities and language/dialect

This will never happen although ghegs an tosks are to point devided means nothing we can not agree on certian things but albanians an albania are first no matter what.

 

[LABERIA]

I think its better for the Albanian nation to be split in half between gheg and tosks lines so the world does not loose one of these ethnic identities and language/dialect

And why this? Because you like to make the funny guy in a forum?

 

[Piro Ilir]

WARNING: FAKE MAP



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_dialects
Original map of Albanian dialects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania
Macedonian and some Greek minority groups have sharply criticized Article 20 of the Census law, according to which a $1,000 fine will be imposed on anyone who will declare an ethnicity other than what is stated on his or her birth certificate. This is claimed to be an attempt to intimidate minorities into declaring Albanian ethnicity, according to them the Albanian government has stated that it will jail anyone who does not participate in the census or refuse to declare his or her ethnicity.



Council of Europe: Albania Is A Multiethnic State
The official report on minorities by the Albanian Government says that only 2% of the population in Albania are not [ethnic] Albanians. This information has been presented to the public since the time of the ultra-communist ruler Enver Hoxha.

Last October, Council of Europe's mission visited Albania and formed a Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana. In April 2002, the Center delivered a questionnaire of 33 questions to the Albanian population all over the country.
"The results of this research show that about one million or 35% of the total population in the country are members of minorities. This makes Albania a multiethnic state," said the Director of the Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana, Kimet Fetahu.

According the initial research results, seven minority ethnic groups live in Albania: Macedonians, Greeks, Vlachs, Egyptians, Roma, Serbs and Montenegrins.
The biggest minorities are the Macedonians and the Greeks. The smallest minorities are the Serbs and the Montenegrins. There are 5 organizations of Macedonians in Albania, 2 of the Vlachs, 2 of the Roma, 2 of the Egyptians, 1 of the Greeks and 1 joint organization of the Serbs and Montenegrins.

The minority organizations cooperate poorly with the media, the political parties and NGOs in Albania. A large degree of discrimination exists in the education and employment policy of the Albanian Government. These results are expected to be included in the Year Report of the Council of Europe for minorities in Albania at the end of September 2002.

No. The map I have posted was of 19 century, and includes the areas which were composed in majority by ethnic Albanians. Your map is right, but is of recent modern periods

 

[Piro Ilir]

yes to a point agree.but for the dress we also once wore the dalmitica.as for not know understanding eachother you can but you have to listen that little bit more.The tosk also wear the trouser aswell in some regions,as do the arbreshe they also use the red jacket an trouser.But yes we did feud alot.today we still do as you can see lol.I am catholic also sile.An my family are sworn to the kanuni i lek dukagjinit this help us alot through out history

The Kanun was maintained also every region of ghegland, including kosova. There was no difference between Muslim and Christian Albanians to sworn on Kanun

 

[Piro Ilir]

from an english author in albania in 1865

The difference between the Gheg and Tosk dialects is as great as between German and Danish; they do not understand one another, or, at most, can only hold communication in the simplest things, and that with difficulty. The distinction of dress is not as marked as has sometimes been represented. The red jacket is generally peculiar to the Ghegs, the white capote to the Tosks; the Ghegs also frequently wear the short white trouser, which the Tosks do not; but none of these rules are of invariable application. Another difference also exists in respect of the form which Christianity takes in the two tribes; speaking roughly, the small number of Ghegs who have maintained their allegiance to the Christian religion are Roman Catholics, while the Christian Tosks are of the orthodox communion. It is probably a consequence of this that the Ghegs, in writing, use the Latin letters, the Tosks the Greek; for the national alphabet, which I have mentioned above, does not seem to be much used. The hereditary opposition between the tribes is so strong, that when they are serving together in the Turkish army feuds will break out among them, and the Turks have at times turned this animosity to their own advantage, by employing them to put down insurrections in one another’s country.

I have a close friend who is tosk from his father side. (Gramoz highlands, the heartland of ancient Macedonians) . But his mother is vlach orthodox. He was a volunteer for kla army fighting against the Serb invaders in kosova. He today is a veteran and has a pension from the kosova state. Many tosks were volunteers in kosova during the war of 1999. According to this don't hope much on a division between tosk and gheg.

In the photo- cerciz topulli and mihal grameno. Alb tosk commanders who fought against Turks and Greeks. One is Muslim and the other is Christian. The man on the left died fighting against montenegrins in the North during the early twentieth century.

 

[Piro Ilir]

1000% agreed.I dont think it should split i think both dilects should learn an people should learn from eachother..For me i love southern traditions shume bukur.My grandfather said to me long long time ago.Ghegs an tosks would meet up an the ghegs would play the music for the tosks while they would dance an sing pholophonic would be good if this happen again,,

How much time of your life you had spend in albania?

Prej kha veni shqipnis je?

 

[LABERIA]

The Kanun was maintained also every region of ghegland, including kosova. There was no difference between Muslim and Christian Albanians to sworn on Kanun

The house of the Albanian belongs to God and the guest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanun_(Albania)

The Kanun is a set of traditional Albanian laws. The Kanun was primarily oral and only in the 20th century was it published in writing.^[1] There is only one Kanun since the ancient times commonly referred to the "Kanun of Leke" from which six later variations eventually evolved, categorized according to the area, the personality and their time of origin: Kanun i vjetër (English: Old Kanun), Kanuni i Lekë Dukagjinit (English: The Kanun of Lekë Dukagjini), Kanuni i Çermenikës (English: The Kanun of Çermenikë), Kanuni i Papa Zhulit (English: The Kanun of Pope Julius), Kanuni i Labërisë (English: The Kanun of Labëria)^[2] and Kanuni i Skenderbeut (English: Kanun of Skanderbeg)^[3][4] also known as Kanuni i Arbërisë (English: Kanun of Arbëria).

It is the ethical structure of Homeric society composed of Besa, loyalty, honor, friend, blood, bread and revenge.

P.S.
Even in this article of Wiki can be distinguished the hand of serb "net-warrior".

 

[ukaj]

How much time of your life you had spend in albania?

Prej kha veni shqipnis je?

hej mirdita,mja vlla ju?

 

[ukaj]

The Kanun was maintained also every region of ghegland, including kosova. There was no difference between Muslim and Christian Albanians to sworn on Kanun

Yes you are right. but not so strong anymore.kosova albanians from kasnichi fis tribe an others have still strong.the reason why the kosova muslim have the kanuni is because they were catholics they not all but 95% of them were catholics.But yes you right

 

[ukaj]

The house of the Albanian belongs to God and the guest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanun_(Albania)



It is the ethical structure of Homeric society composed of Besa, loyalty, honor, friend, blood, bread and revenge

P.S.
Even in this article of Wiki can be distinguished the hand of serb "net-warrior".

pff qifsha serbet, .The kanuni That you posted does not excist anymore for my southern brothers it is gone,An this make me angry that it is.kanuni i arberia.laberisa is all gone vanished,is not good it was part of you old culture.. Is from region family are this picture

Correct me if im wrong but does the maniot use the kanuni this their kulla is it by chance that they use a kanuni an have simular building structure

 

[Ike]

Now. You're insulting me. Calling me liar many times and with other epithets . All we know how ended the last war between Serbia and Albania. All we know how ended the last war in Macedonia between alb Macedonian and sllav Macedonian . Insulting others personally in internet shows only that the man is just coward.

Is not my fault that you failed, because you don't have arguments. Go find some reliable arguments and after come back.

And I will continue to call you a liar until you stop making things up.

I have a close friend who is tosk from his father side. (Gramoz highlands, the heartland of ancient Macedonians) . But his mother is vlach orthodox. He was a volunteer for kla army fighting against the Serb invaders in kosova. He today is a veteran and has a pension from the kosova state. Many tosks were volunteers in kosova during the war of 1999. According to this don't hope much on a division between tosk and gheg.

More lies from you

 

[Sile]

And why this? Because you like to make the funny guy in a forum?

because I want anyone who wants their own nation to have it like the basques, catalans, scots , sicilians etc

I do not follow your ideas of one ethnic race commanding over another ethnic race , it leads to loss of customs, traditions, language and privileges.

with Ghegs and Tosks remaining together one will eventually loose

 

[LABERIA]

because I want anyone who wants their own nation to have it like the basques, catalans, scots , sicilians etc

How noble thoughts. Reading this words i suppose that you have been always an ardent supporter of independence of Kosova.

I do not follow your ideas of one ethnic race commanding over another ethnic race , it leads to loss of customs, traditions, language and privileges.

You are talking to me personally? Where you have read this?
I have not much hope that my question will have an answer by you. Until now you have not given me any answers.

with Ghegs and Tosks remaining together one will eventually loose

I think you are wrong. Because others have tried all means to exterminate the Albanians, but have failed. Because you, and others of your category have to understand something , Albanians have a characteristic that few nations have, the vitality. We never die. We are the oldest nation of the European continent, but also we are the youngest people of Europe in average age. And we continue to be here.

 

[ukaj]

because I want anyone who wants their own nation to have it like the basques, catalans, scots , sicilians etc

I do not follow your ideas of one ethnic race commanding over another ethnic race , it leads to loss of customs, traditions, language and privileges.

with Ghegs and Tosks remaining together one will eventually loose

i can tell you now it wont be ghegs no way in world.An i dont think tosks also.where i am at moment.tosks and ghegs are mixing with each other because they dont want to mix with australians.I know one woman who married a australian an her father would not speak to her for 16yrs her family are from korca.The albanians where i am are mainly from korca an pristina an both these people are marring within familys its really amazing christians an muslims doing this .It is amazing how albanians will do this an Anything to have albanian blood i have witness this from first hand.Infact albanians hear are very arrigant lol if you not albanian this is due to the high percentige of non albanians.Alot of them dont know im albanian an when i go to pick my son up i hear them tell their children to speak albanian not english because school is over..But because my son is ty dem they ask me if im albanian.but saying this their is few that are arrigant if you are not from korca.hahah have had few arguments with some because im catholic an their muslim but is ok its like they look me weird because im catholic hahah.but thats only small handful some will say why im not mulsim an i reply with why you not christians as your ancestor were they lough with me,but i dont think hear with the less population in australia will be assimulated into 1 dilect both will learn.But as for loss of customs with us gheg is has not so much because we do not listen to much of others telling us how to do our customs,but language of gheg yes if standard albanian is not stopped then we will lose it in some parts an its sad.I have heard they are trying to take out the turkish influece in albanian at momment

 

[ukaj]

How noble thoughts. Reading this words i suppose that you have been always an ardent supporter of independence of Kosova.




You are talking to me personally? Where you have read this?
I have not much hope that my question will have an answer by you. Until now you have not given me any answers.

I think you are wrong. Because others have tried all means to exterminate the Albanians, but have failed. Because you, and others of your category have to understand something , Albanians have a characteristic that few nations have, the vitality. We never die. We are the oldest nation of the European continent, but also we are the youngest people of Europe in average age. And we continue to be here.

bravo vlle

 

[Yetos]

I have a close friend who is tosk from his father side. (Gramoz highlands, the heartland of ancient Macedonians) . But his mother is vlach orthodox. He was a volunteer for kla army fighting against the Serb invaders in kosova. He today is a veteran and has a pension from the kosova state. Many tosks were volunteers in kosova during the war of 1999. According to this don't hope much on a division between tosk and gheg.

In the photo- cerciz topulli and mihal grameno. Alb tosk commanders who fought against Turks and Greeks. One is Muslim and the other is Christian. The man on the left died fighting against montenegrins in the North during the early twentieth century.

pffffffff

ok I am an asronaut

 

[Angela]

I have just quickly gone through the last page or two of this thread. You guys can disagree all you wish, and present evidence to support your claims and discredit those of others posters, but calling one another liars is over the line, as you should all know by now.