Politics Catalonia may become an independent nation soon...

Carlos said:
It is a controversial issue and intellectualizing the issue can be molded in a way that could give reason a group of separatists who only move by selfishness.


What you must know is that the Spanish state and still exists today in the world to determine a state uses force if necessary.
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Come on already!!!!!!!!! Nice masterful class on democracy :D

A pitty this cannot be done inside the European Union, sorry for you. MEEEEEEEC! XD
 
Carlos said:
I remind you that Hitler also won by democracy.


Democracy does not mean that the people have to be continually voting for parliamentarians we chose.


Catalonia in 78 voted overwhelmingly YES to the Constitution and the Spanish Constitution says that Spain is indivisible and any referendum on the issue would be national, whole bone in Spain, but still not going to do any referendum and if it tries to be taken as a blow
the Spanish state.


The best democracy is to apply the law on pure and independence, and are causing too much and playing a very dangerous game.

You from Australia does not see things clearly, I do not know at what time is left to eat the head by the separatists, consider pretending they know well and use the right tone to convince Europeans or Australians if necessary, but really are selfish, cowardly, manipulative, selfish and victimhood will get many followers around the world and with 30 years of victimhood.


You think that all are home Catalan independence? if so, you are sadly mistaken.

Are you Australian or Uruguay?
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Hitler never won by democracy, he was a thug, read your history before 1933. Spain is doing the same. I still do not understand why your government treats its people like slaves and servants

Remember.....the people make a nation and not a nation makes the people. People will vote for what they want and not what is dictated to them. People have a right to decide, they vote which equals democracy.
If they vote 51% to leave they should leave...what kind of democracy have you if this is not the case?


In Australia, it's a federation of states.....a federation of states is where if a state votes to become independent, then by the constitution they leave and form a nation without bloodshed. This is how it is with the 21st century, this is democracy.

Anyway, it far better for Catalonia to leave, the rest of Spain will be easier/cheaper to bailout ............Pity the EU will never survive in this nationalistic run organisation, its far better if the EU was regionalised. This is the answer to appease the people.
 
Knovas said:
The only one telling lies and insulting the vast majority of Catalans, is you: I'd like to leave clear to the moderators that he is calling the people in favour of independence NAZIS. This happened ten times more or less in this thread, so I think it's time to do something.

We are in year 2012, not 1978. Millions of living people today didn't vote for this (FACT ignored by you again and again, not to mention the process I already explained). Come on, let's vote again. ¿or are you afraid of the result in Catalonia? XD

By the way, the EE.UU. does not support the attitude of Spain towards Catalonia, that's something you'd like to believe. You ignore the fact they got independence from England, so they perfectly understand what happens here, as showed in many newspapers (none of them in favour of Spain).

Spain has regions and nations, like it or not. And those nations can decide about their future, exactly what Catalonia will do for more you cry, insult, and lie about us. Oh, and the only one who bores repeating like a parrot the same nonsense, is you xD
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It's amazing compared even with E.E.U.U. nazionalista madness has no limits.

It is absurd to talk bilaterally Spain-Catalonia, there are not two states, it is a one state and a one region.

If you look forward call to Catalonia nation can, likewise remains a region of Spain.
 
Read about the independence of the EE.UU. Do you think England agreed since the begining with the process? Do you think they didn't threat the Americans about the problems they would have? It's basically what Spain is doing little guy. Catalonia is NOT YET a state, but CAN BE. The nightmare of some Spaniards, time to cry xD

jjmuneer123 said:
I hope it becomes independant
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Thanks. That's what you achieved Carlos. Congratulations :D
 
zanipolo said:
Hitler never won by democracy, he was a thug, read your history before 1933. Spain is doing the same. I still do not understand why your government treats its people like slaves and servants

Remember.....the people make a nation and not a nation makes the people. People will vote for what they want and not what is dictated to them. People have a right to decide, they vote which equals democracy.
If they vote 51% to leave they should leave...what kind of democracy have you if this is not the case?


In Australia, it's a federation of states.....a federation of states is where if a state votes to become independent, then by the constitution they leave and form a nation without bloodshed. This is how it is with the 21st century, this is democracy.

Anyway, it far better for Catalonia to leave, the rest of Spain will be easier/cheaper to bailout ............Pity the EU will never survive in this nationalistic run organisation, its far better if the EU was regionalised. This is the answer to appease the people.
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Do not say terrible things about Spain. Seeing what type it is clear that you do not know or understand Spanish reality. Regionalize Europe? ok, back to the caves

People make a nation, great, just the opposite is done in Catalonia who wash the brains of children and indoctrinate them in the independence and force them to paint the flag of independence to children 5 years. Really you do not know the regimen cataliban.
 
Knovas said:
Read about the independence of the EE.UU. Do you think England agreed since the begining with the process? Do you think they didn't threat the Americans about the problems they would have? It's basically what Spain is doing little guy. Catalonia is NOT YET a state, but CAN BE. The nightmare of some Spaniards, time to cry xD

How innocent you are, in 30 years I see a turban.
Thanks. That's what you achieved Carlos. Congratulations :D
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How innocent you are, in 30 years I see you a turban.
 
Carlos said:
It is a controversial issue and intellectualizing the issue can be molded in a way that could give reason a group of separatists who only move by selfishness.


What you must know is that the Spanish state and still exists today in the world to determine a state uses force if necessary.
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No country exists since primordial times. Every single of them had a certain beginning.
This is a dynamic historical process, states are born, absorbed, disappear, loose or gain territories. It all depends on will, force, culture and many various factors.
Depending on circumstances and our viewpoints we might view this process as legitimate, illegitimate etc. but it's happening and to deny this means to live in some imaginary world where things occur only in accordance to our wishes.
 
Kardu said:
No country exists since primordial times. Every single of them had a certain beginning.
This is a dynamic historical process, states are born, absorbed, disappear, loose or gain territories. It all depends on will, force, culture and many various factors.
Depending on circumstances and our viewpoints we might view this process as legitimate, illegitimate etc. but it's happening and to deny this means to live in some imaginary world where things occur only in accordance to our wishes.
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This is how the separatists living in an imaginary world.
 
¿How do this match your concerns then?

OWNED LOL
 
Yeah, clear as day. That's why you're spamming all the time XD
 
Catalanization of surnames is maintained by an instruction of CiU, 1998

 The Beauty Sanchez-Camacho REPORT THIS STANDARD BY WHICH MAY SANCHEZ Sanxis happen to be called, THE Rubios, ROS, or GARCIA, GARRIGA

In his nationalist project of social engineering and by the attempt to change the language habits of people living in Catalonia, CiU has for more than a decade's commitment Catalanise the surnames of its residents are of Catalan origin, another autonomous region or even another country.


We see clearly how work these people.
 
Carlos said:
We are not worried, not going to happen.
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Spain is part of the EU, the EU states in its laws

The EU is duty-bound to recognise a democratic wish for self-determination. Its part of the EU law.

Its happening in other parts of Europe, like, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso and the EU is seeking permission to hold a monitored referendum after Members of the Veneto regional assembly voted 42-18 to consider independence. A referendum will occur in March/April 2013.

Above is how it is done, Catalonia will approach the EU assembly. If Spain does not recognise this, then they cannot be part of the EU.
 
zanipolo said:
Spain is part of the EU, the EU states in its laws

The EU is duty-bound to recognise a democratic wish for self-determination. Its part of the EU law.

Its happening in other parts of Europe, like, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso and the EU is seeking permission to hold a monitored referendum after Members of the Veneto regional assembly voted 42-18 to consider independence. A referendum will occur in March/April 2013.

Above is how it is done, Catalonia will approach the EU assembly. If Spain does not recognise this, then they cannot be part of the EU.
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The European Commission alone opine on the independence of Catalonia Spain asks if
 
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Carlos said:
The European Commission alone opine on the independence of Catalonia Spain asks if
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And Spain avoids asking, time to wonder why XD. If Catalonia gets out of the European Union, which is totally unlikely for the reasons I posted before, Spain would be in serious trouble. Catalans aren't worried for the Spanish threats, sorry for you xd

Carlos said:
Catalanization of surnames is maintained by an instruction of CiU, 1998

 The Beauty Sanchez-Camacho REPORT THIS STANDARD BY WHICH MAY SANCHEZ Sanxis happen to be called, THE Rubios, ROS, or GARCIA, GARRIGA

In his nationalist project of social engineering and by the attempt to change the language habits of people living in Catalonia, CiU has for more than a decade's commitment Catalanise the surnames of its residents are of Catalan origin, another autonomous region or even another country.


We see clearly how work these people.
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Changing name and surname is voluntary, doesn't matter if we refer to Catalonia or Extremadura. ¿Aren't you tired of being humiliated? All you post is a bunch of lies and absurdities.


Knovas said:
Yeah, clear as day. That's why you're spamming all the time XD
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He continues even when he says he's not worried. ¿Isn't it funny? :D
 
Here are the ones that threaten the independence, stop using victimhood and lies in the end everything is known.


About Catalanization of surnames: Because they can not make it mandatory, if they could they would, the important and unfortunate is the reason and the essence of what they do and it shows the total control and manipulation that wants independence politics have on citizens mainly by creating fictitious needs. I do not know, reminds me of something ... wanting that everyone is equal and induce people to those things, I think it is clear what is the origin of this ideology and people.

The names of the anonymous telephone to denounce labeled traders business in Spanish, the prohibition of which have schools in Spanish, are many things, that's all very ugly and indicates the paranoia of these people.

You do not see anywhere that people create countries and peoples, in this case is clearly an ideology, a regime force creating a nation of xenophobia, discrimination, inequality, etc.Very ugly all, something can not end well!

It's fun to eat independence.
 
Catalonia as a national reality exists prior to Spain, since the later wasn't taken as a national reference until 1812, obviously linked to Castilla (before, the terms "Hispania" and "las Españas" were refered to the Peninsula as whole, including modern Portugal, and the oversea's lands). You confuse the term nation with state, or I'd better say, you simply don't want to see it because of your fanatism. It's not about creating countries, Catalonia IS a country (check the dictionary), but doesn't have state. FACT! it's time to solve your problems, what you do is really sick.
 
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