Celtiberian hillforts / Castros celtiberos.

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[Ziober]

The Iberian genotype and culture in present-day Iberia have not been extinct after all.

 

[MOESAN]

The Iberian genotype and culture in present-day Iberia have not been extinct after all.

I don't rely too much on statues or pictures of ancient times, personally. That said, it's evident today Spanyards have an heavy heritage of ancient Iberians, I think nobody challenges this thought.

 

[Ziober]

The next video could surprise you more and more Moesan, talking about an Atlantis origin of this culture.

I had supported time ago that the historic Atlantis, well described by contemporary historians Greeks, describes perfectly situated in de Golfo de Cadiz, as well National Geographic did, being later taken into hidden.

In the city of Jaen, was found a settlement exactly as the Greeks did told about Atlantis. The site was found in Marroquies Bajos. and the earthworks were stopped.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marroquíes_Bajos
https://www.facebook.com/salvemosmarroquiesbajos/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/596023331904882067/

 

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I don't rely too much on statues or pictures of ancient times, personally. That said, it's evident today Spanyards have an heavy heritage of ancient Iberians, I think nobody challenges this thought.

Iberians (Iberos) were R1b as well Celtics of Iberia were. Look at this map:

 

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For all of those belonging to the Atlantic Bronce culture. Bell Beakers, Cogotas Culture, Vettones, Lusitanians, Stelae peoples[voyagers around the Northern Coast of Mediterranean Sea], Tartessos, Iberians, Celts from the West Theory, And Later, The migration of the Celts belonging to Hallstat and La tenne, Received and Hosted by The Iberian folks, less ancient as some ocultists agenda supports, I must to Say, that these pacific migrations, happened in circles and different periods, in order to avoid the inminent wars Against differents folks imperialists populatitions, As northern ones and latin ones. For those pacific and respectfull about the care of the Environtent And Nature. We all have had our mother land in Slavic Territories. I said.

https://revistascientificas.us.es/index.php/spal/article/view/8543/9405

 

[Ziober]

And for more information, The Princess Leia character, was based as well in the image of the Princess of Elche.

A todos aquellos aprendices del conocimiento del significado de la simbolgía, que aprendan a interpretar, antes de provocar guerras y odios...

 

[MOESAN]

For all of those belonging to the Atlantic Bronce culture. Bell Beakers, Cogotas Culture, Vettones, Lusitanians, Stelae peoples[voyagers around the Northern Coast of Mediterranean Sea], Tartessos, Iberians, Celts from the West Theory, And Later, The migration of the Celts belonging to Hallstat and La tenne, Received and Hosted by The Iberian folks, less ancient as some ocultists agenda supports, I must to Say, that these pacific migrations, happened in circles and different periods, in order to avoid the inminent wars Against differents folks imperialists populatitions, As northern ones and latin ones. For those pacific and respectfull about the care of the Environtent And Nature. We all have had our mother land in Slavic Territories. I said.

https://revistascientificas.us.es/index.php/spal/article/view/8543/9405

I don't agree here. Every people or culture has had its times of agressivity and warfare, at least at some level. I would say that the care of environment has never been the first concern of mighty men in History. At the contrary, ancient civilisations and "successful" culture has proved very cruel against environment. (woods burned or used, according to local powers needs). It's true Rome made a "good" work concerning wood use : Mediterranean see surroundings were less dessicated before, if what I read is true.

 

[MOESAN]

For all of those belonging to the Atlantic Bronce culture. Bell Beakers, Cogotas Culture, Vettones, Lusitanians, Stelae peoples[voyagers around the Northern Coast of Mediterranean Sea], Tartessos, Iberians, Celts from the West Theory, And Later, The migration of the Celts belonging to Hallstat and La tenne, Received and Hosted by The Iberian folks, less ancient as some ocultists agenda supports, I must to Say, that these pacific migrations, happened in circles and different periods, in order to avoid the inminent wars Against differents folks imperialists populatitions, As northern ones and latin ones. For those pacific and respectfull about the care of the Environtent And Nature. We all have had our mother land in Slavic Territories. I said.

https://revistascientificas.us.es/index.php/spal/article/view/8543/9405

I don't agree here. Every people or culture has had its times of agressivity and warfare, at least at some level. I would say that the care of environment has never been the first concern of mighty men in History. At the contrary, ancient civilisations and "successful" culture has proved very cruel against environment. (woods burned or used, according to local powers needs). It's true Rome made a "good" work concerning wood use : Mediterranean see surroundings were less dessicated before, if what I read is true.

I don't agree here. Every people or culture has had its times of agressivity and warfare, at least at some level. I would say that the care of environment has never been the first concern of mighty men in History. At the contrary, ancient civilisations and "successful" culture has proved very cruel against environment. (woods burned or used, according to local powers needs). It's true Rome made a "good" work concerning wood use : Mediterranean see surroundings were less dessicated before, if what I read is true.

I would say: in fact Rome made a bad work, as every almost developped culture in past.

 

[Ziober]

Moesan... You continue touching me with the spoon Again and again... The play is over.

 

[MOESAN]

Moesan... You continue touching me with the spoon Again and again... The play is over.

I'm sorry, but why? I exposed only a sincere opinion on precise affirmations. But it's enough to me for this aspect which is aside of the very topic we were far from it.

 

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No voy a seguir investigando, para que se aprovechen otros de mi trabajo, con el fin de hacer el mal y destruir el planeta.

 

[ArmandoR1b]

If the steppe signature didn’t arrive until after 2000 BC, how do you explain this?

Portugal

I5428 - I-S2660 / U5b1-T16189C!-T16192C! - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：I5428

www.theytree.com

I5428 - I-S2660 / U5b1-T16189C!-T16192C! - (12% steppe, >3300 BC)

I5429 - I-M253 / J2b1a3 - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：I5429

www.theytree.com

I5429 - I-M253 / J2b1a3 (10% steppe, >3000 BC)

I11592 - I-AMM083 / U5b2b - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：I11592

www.theytree.com

I11592 - I-AMM083 / U5b2b - (14% steppe, >2800 BC)

12% of DNA is equivalent to a first cousin. Where did the Lusitanians get that percentage if the first R1b-L51> weren’t already in the area?

I7691 - R-L51 / J1c1 - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：I7691

www.theytree.com

I7691 - R-L51 / J1c1 (23% steppe, >2200 BC)

Spain

EHU002 - R-P312 / K1a4a1 - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree会员样本：EHU002

www.theytree.com

EHU002 - R-P312 / K1a4a1 - (24% steppe, >2500 BC)

Many people have claimed this sample is in ZZ12 and therefore would be DF27 (Iñigo Olalde or whoever does his BAM file refinements isn’t very good at it).

The oldest specimen in Spain with Steppe ancestry that has direct radiocarbon dating is a female from El Arroyal 1. I0462 2569-2344 calBCE

The Steppe DNA in those samples is based on results from puntDNAL. I have never heard of that being a reliable calculator.

I have never read about anyone ever saying EHU002 shows to be derived for a ZZ12 SNP. Who said this and based on what? Did they provide the exact SNP and position? A screenshot of IGV with the proof? What do you mean by BAM file refinement? Do you mean analysis? How do you know how good or bad of a job Iñigo did? Do you have evidence that he did not do a good job? Isn't that defamation to say that if you don't have proof?