Collection of skulls.

[Jovialis]

Does convex nose originate in Denisovan near lake baikal?


1. Neolithic west siberian:

1. https://www.researchgate.net/figure...thic-cemetery-of-Zhelezinka-by_fig1_336560655

It may have just developed independently in different areas, and different times among different human species; like light eyes, and fair skin.

 

[johen]

Originally Posted by johen
Does convex nose originate in Denisovan near lake baikal?


1. Neolithic west siberian:

1. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_336560655

https://phys.org/news/2021-02-genes.html

Co-corresponding author Dr. Kaustubh Adhikari (UCL Genetics, Evolution & Environment and The Open University) said: "The face shape genes we found may have been the product of evolution as ancient humans evolved to adapt to their environments. Possibly, the version of the gene determining lip shape that was present in the Denisovans could have helped in body fat distribution to make them better suited to the cold climates of Central Asia, and was passed on to modern humans when the two groups met and interbred."

Denisovan's cave was found near lake baikal, home of ANE. According to anthro data, huge convex nose zone located from EHG to altai bronze. So is it possible of ANE's convex nose to get inherited from Denisovan's?

 

[johen]

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So many giant humans were buried in America. And also giant warriors have been found at bronze age. So is a large mouth of ancient people Denisovan's effect also?

Originally Posted by Doggerland
"How they looked:
They had broad faces,the lower part of the face appeared longer, because the mouth sat deeper. The forehead was flat, the eye sockets where wide. No visible/reduced eyelids, this trait is also found in SHG. The information for the EDAR gene(Asian Hair, Teeth) is not present in the samples I have analyzed.
The nose bridge was hooked, the nose was slim and the nostrils too. They had a large mouth with thin lips and a wide philtrum.
The eye color was brown to hazel, not blue.
The skin color was brown.

The hair was wavy and dark blonde or red, because one individual had the red alleles of rs1805006"

Okunevo

china bronze

And its effect upon unbalanced upper/lower part of face?

skull of Botai admixture:
"Picture 6. Aigyrzhal-2. The skull from burial mound number 67a.The Early Bronze Age. Photo by Y. Kitov."

xioungnu:

 

[johen]

sorry..............

 

[johen]

Denisovan's cave was found near lake baikal, home of ANE. According to anthro data, huge convex nose zone located from EHG to altai bronze. So is it possible of ANE's convex nose to get inherited from Denisovan's?

EHG effect?
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Altai effect:


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https://www.academia.edu/42027328/Pa...B%D0%B8%D0%B8_

 

[johen]

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A Chinese archaeologist is maybe a their descendant

https://www.academia.edu/45055541/Seima_Turbino_Culture_and_the_Proto_Silk_Road

an Ainu person. How does his ancestor look like? According to american anthropologist, chandman skull at late bronze mongolia clusters with cromagnon, which is totally different from modern locals in there. Asian anthropologist said that chandman has a connection with Xioungu turk which is proved by genetic admixture. And they are with Jomon and Polynasian.

https://weirdnews.info/2020/05/24/what-race-are-the-ainu-people-of-japan/

 

[MOESAN]

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A Chinese archaeologist is maybe a their descendant

https://www.academia.edu/45055541/Seima_Turbino_Culture_and_the_Proto_Silk_Road

an Ainu person. How does his ancestor look like? According to american anthropologist, chandman skull at late bronze mongolia clusters with cromagnon, which is totally different from modern locals in there. Asian anthropologist said that chandman has a connection with Xioungu turk which is proved by genetic admixture. And they are with Jomon and Polynasian.

https://weirdnews.info/2020/05/24/what-race-are-the-ainu-people-of-japan/

Just for the joke, this one above remember me some Portugueses!

 

[MOESAN]

EHG effect?

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Altai effect:

https://www.academia.edu/42027328/Pa...B%D0%B8%D0%B8_

Thanks for your pic's, Johen, and for your documentation as a whole.
About the two politicians (Portuguese(?) and French, there owe very little to EHG IMO. Macron maybe a bit more.
The other is shwos more generlly 'mediter' input, with weaker eyebrows and a profile trend to wards 'fronto-nasal', rather 'east-mediter' in a mode, to stay on vague definitions. ATW both are well mixed as often.
Concerning EHG and Mesolithic people descending from Upperpaleo's of Europe and West-Central Eurasia, I (personally) doubt they had nose tips inlcined downwards, spite I have no bowl of cristal nor hen guts. The North Europeans who shows the less weak input of Paleo-Mesolithic people have very often snub noses with visible nostrils, or mdium long noses, but with tip on the model of snub noses. I cannot be sure this was the rule allover the lands covered by ancient HG's but...
I am not sure the pannel of external phenotypes genes at hand with scientists are always sufficient to assure completely correct reconstructions of facies. Just with my present knowledge.
BTW where the above skull and reconstruction "owner" came from?
Read you again

 

[MOESAN]

I am not sure of the identity of the man in front of Macron!

 

[Angela]

I am not sure of the identity of the man in front of Macron!

For a minute I thought it was Jean Claude Juncker, but his hair is too white.

It's Draghi of Italy.

Of course, we change our leaders like tissue paper, so there's a variety to choose from...

With Gentiloni...

With Conte...the meeting of the ugly noses...

They're both much better looking full face.

He even has a nice smile.

Macron reminds me a bit of Stefano Casiraghi in that picture above, especially the front part of the skull.

 

[johen]

Does convex nose originate in Denisovan near lake baikal?


1. Neolithic west siberian:

1. https://www.researchgate.net/figure...thic-cemetery-of-Zhelezinka-by_fig1_336560655

Can the idol of arkaim in sintashta culture and seima turbino locate between Neanderthal and WSHG?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/30/2c/23302c35d2789e517fc578fb46edaf8e.jpg

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-women...DDQONdkgvawRfYZ8XBfnfOEhPUAjmb34w0AQQIhA8inrQ

"One in three women in Europe inherited the receptor for progesterone from Neandertals—a gene variant associated with increased fertility, fewer bleedings during early pregnancy and fewer miscarriages. This is according to a study published in Molecular Biology and Evolution by researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and Karolinska Institutet in Sweden.

"The progesterone receptor is an example of how favourable genetic variants that were introduced into modern humans by mixing with Neandertals can have effects in people living today," says Hugo Zeberg, researcher at the Department of Neuroscience at Karolinska Institutet and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, who performed the study with colleagues Janet Kelso and Svante Pääbo.

Progesterone is a hormone that plays an important role in the menstrual cycle and in pregnancy. Analyses of biobank data from more than 450,000 participants—among them 244,000 women—show that almost one in three women in Europe have inherited the progesterone receptor from Neandertals. 29 percent carry one copy of the Neandertal receptor and three percent have two copies.

"The proportion of women who inherited this gene is about ten times greater than for most Neandertal gene variants," says Hugo Zeberg. "These findings suggest that the Neandertal variant of the receptor has a favourable effect on fertility."

The study shows that women who carry the Neandertal variant of the receptor tend to have fewer bleedings during early pregnancy, fewer miscarriages, and give birth to more children. Molecular analyses revealed that these women produce more progesterone receptors in their cells, which may lead to increased sensitivity to progesterone and protection against early miscarriages and bleeding."

 

[johen]

1. Neolithic west siberian:

1. https://www.researchgate.net/figure...thic-cemetery-of-Zhelezinka-by_fig1_336560655

The above WSHG type skull + west admixture = sintashta skulls below?
The WSHG + east admixture = chemurchek skull below?

1. sintashta :

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...uction-from-burial-7-kurgan-11_fig2_304847706


[h=1]A skull, sculpture and graphic forensic facial reconstruction from burial 1, kurgan 5, Alexandrovskiy cemetery (by A. Nechvaloda).[/h]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...burial-of-Kizilskiy-I-cemetery_fig3_304847706


[h=1]A skull and graphic forensic facial reconstruction from burial 7, kurgan 11, Bolshekaraganskiy cemetery (by A. Nechvaloda).[/h]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...uction-from-burial-7-kurgan-11_fig2_304847706

2. chemurchek:

https://www.academia.edu/42027328/Pa...B%D0%B8%D0%B8_

 

[MOESAN]

concerning Chemurchek, I don't know if the nose fleshy part reconstruction is based upon enough SNP's?

the Sintashta man and the Kourgan 11 (burial 7) man seem both very 'europoid' on these reconstructions, spite not exactly the same ones -
BTW I find not too accurate the reconstruction of the Sintashta one: too slim chin, too smooth face compared to bony face from front side, too smooth nose compare to the crania nose profile which seems pointing to something more 'irano-afghan', as a whole, too much liberty taken by the enveloppe compared to the skull, IMO, very evident from lateral view...

 

[MOESAN]

The more I look to the Chemurchek WSHG, the more I'm tempted to agree with scientists who said it didn't show evident remnants of crossing between West and East Eurasia, but rather forms of its own, not too evolved on any direction. the original ANE basic form??? Maybe I'm wrong...

 

[MOESAN]

The more I look to the Chemurchek WSHG, the more I'm tempted to agree with scientists who said it didn't show evident remnants of crossing between West and East Eurasia, but rather forms of its own, not too evolved on any direction. the original ANE basic form??? Maybe I'm wrong...

 

[johen]

concerning Chemurchek, I don't know if the nose fleshy part reconstruction is based upon enough SNP's?

the Sintashta man and the Kourgan 11 (burial 7) man seem both very 'europoid' on these reconstructions, spite not exactly the same ones -
BTW I find not too accurate the reconstruction of the Sintashta one: too slim chin, too smooth face compared to bony face from front side, too smooth nose compare to the crania nose profile which seems pointing to something more 'irano-afghan', as a whole, too much liberty taken by the enveloppe compared to the skull, IMO, very evident from lateral view...

It seems to me that his skull has something to do with botai?

skull of Botai admixture:
"Picture 6. Aigyrzhal-2. The skull from burial mound number 67a.The Early Bronze Age. Photo by Y. Kitov."

A skull and graphic forensic facial reconstruction from burial 7, kurgan 11, Bolshekaraganskiy cemetery (by A. Nechvaloda).

- another sintashta guy sifted to EEF like Minoan skull below:
http://www.aee.gr/english/8other_research/microc1.gif

 

[johen]

The above WSHG type skull + west admixture = sintashta skulls below?
The WSHG + east admixture = chemurchek skull below?

1. sintashta :

A skull, sculpture and graphic forensic facial reconstruction from burial 1, kurgan 5, Alexandrovskiy cemetery (by A. Nechvaloda).

A skull and graphic forensic facial reconstruction from burial 7, kurgan 11, Bolshekaraganskiy cemetery (by A. Nechvaloda).
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...uction-from-burial-7-kurgan-11_fig2_304847706

This is andronovo skull at altai. I remember that a well-known russian anthropologist said that only andronovo skull is close fit ro cromagnon, while the other steppe skulls at bronze age are broadly with cromagnon. Yamna skulls are called gracile-cromagnon type. see rectangular eye sockets and cromagnon skull.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Anterior-a-and-lateral-b-view-of-the-cleft-skull-This-figure-is-available-in-colour_fig3_303028218

https://aspergerhuman.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/cro-magnon-a-casual-visual-inquiry/​

 

[MOESAN]

JOhen,
I've no time just now to answer your other posts, but yes, I agree, THIS Andronovo kull seems to me a very 'croma' far descendant just partly brachycephalised. At least at the phénotypical level, of course. ON the way of "borrebyzation"? Yamna people were not homogenous, so it depends on which skull one base himself.

 

[johen]

"The pharaoh's mummy, showing his shrunken skull and skeleton within the bandages.





Saleem and her colleagues found that Amenhotep I was about 35 years old and 169 centimeters (5.5 feet) tall when he died. He was also circumcised and had healthy teeth. Some 30 amulets and a unique gold girdle were found within the wrappings.

The pharaoh also had a narrow chin, a small narrow nose, curly hair, and mildly protruding upper teeth, Saleem said. Their study didn't uncover any wounds or disfigurement that would explain the cause of his death.
Amenhotep I ruled Egypt for about 21 years, between 1525 and 1504 BC. He was the second king of the 18th Dynasty and had a largely peaceful reign during which he built many temples."

The pharaoh's skull, including his teeth, which were in excellent condition.





https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/28/world/egyptian-mummy-unwrap-scn/index.html

 

[johen]

This is andronovo skull at altai. I remember that a well-known russian anthropologist said that only andronovo skull is close fit ro cromagnon, while the other steppe skulls at bronze age are broadly with cromagnon. Yamna skulls are called gracile-cromagnon type. see rectangular eye sockets and cromagnon skull.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Anterior-a-and-lateral-b-view-of-the-cleft-skull-This-figure-is-available-in-colour_fig3_303028218

https://aspergerhuman.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/cro-magnon-a-casual-visual-inquiry/​

The following admixture might not explain in andronovo proper nor bellbeaker skull. When we explain in bronze age steppe skulls, I think we need to focus upon how they developed or evolved, not upon how different they are.

According greek scholar, Mycenaean skulls are composed of dinaric (bellbeaker type), pamir (andronovo type), armenoid and alpain. So I think andronovo proper and bellbeaker skulls are close to cromagnon, while krugan bronze (samples in crimea, so catacomb?) is far away from comagnon. In other words, androvo and bellbeaker steppe admixture could happen before proto-yamna admixture.

According to archaeology data, Ural east had contacted S-E Aral sea from Meso to Eneolithic. And ANF admixture appeared in ancient Iran 4,500bc. Before 4,500bc, CHG only migrated north and steppe admixture might happen continually, not one time to become an ancestor to whole bronze age steppe people.

For example, Neolithic baikal people has almost full of east asian admixture, however their skull is not a mongoloid, paleo type like america indian. They migrated north east asia. They might marry daughter of east asia farmer. So their descendant has 100% east asain admixture, however, their skull could be different from mongoloid.

"Thus, we combined all early Steppe pastoralist individuals in one group to obtain a more precise estimate for the genetic formation of proto-Yamnaya of ~4,400 to 4,000 BCE (Figure 2). These dates are noteworthy as they pre-date the archeological evidence by more than a millennium (37) and have important implications for understanding the origin of proto-Pontic Caspian cultures and their spread to Europe and South Asia."

anthro data: