Immigration Crime statistics by nationality in Italy and Germany shows disproportionate impact of Muslim immigrants

[Maciamo]

Here is yet another study that found that Maghrebin immigrants cause vastly more crimes per capita than other nationalities, except when it comes to rapes, paedophilia and child pornography, for which Pakistani and Afghans are the most overrepresented. It shows once again how poorly integrated many Muslim immigrants are in Europe.

 

[Maciamo]

A similar trend can be observed in the UK. Violences are topped by Christian Congolese, but otherwise it's mostly Muslim immigrants.

 

[Maciamo]

Ditto for Switzerland.

 

[norbert]

All enabled by the behaviour of European men who act like cucks because they don't want to be called bad names.

 

[Tomenable]

All enabled by the behaviour of European men who act like cucks because they don't want to be called bad names.

AFAIK it is mostly women who vote for parties which support Muslim immigration.

 

[norbert]

AFAIK it is mostly women who vote for parties which support Muslim immigration.

All the more reason for men to do something about it. If even your own women don't respect you, those Afghans and Moroccans certainly won't.

 

[Granzon]

All enabled by the behaviour of European men who act like cucks because they don't want to be called bad names.

Let's not pretend the European continent isn't a vassal state of the United States and the group that runs the United States. Many European countries have voted in political parties that promises to halt and deport illegal aliens but once they get into power, they don't do anything they promised and in fact increase the amount that come in, see Italy/Meloni, Poland, Brexit, etc. Europeans, both men & women have voted time and time again for deportations and it never happens. This is because Europe (excluding Russia) is a vassal state of the powers that run the USA. People don't understand what happens when you actually try to go against the power structure, you will be de-banked, fired, destroyed, etc. The best bet for Europe is for America to lose its grip on Europe via Russia and for America's economy and military power to collapse via Russia/China/Iran. Otherwise, things in Europe & for Europeans, including the European diaspora, will continue to get worse as time passes.

 

[Maciamo]

Let's not pretend the European continent isn't a vassal state of the United States and the group that runs the United States. Many European countries have voted in political parties that promises to halt and deport illegal aliens but once they get into power, they don't do anything they promised and in fact increase the amount that come in, see Italy/Meloni, Poland, Brexit, etc. Europeans, both men & women have voted time and time again for deportations and it never happens. This is because Europe (excluding Russia) is a vassal state of the powers that run the USA. People don't understand what happens when you actually try to go against the power structure, you will be de-banked, fired, destroyed, etc. The best bet for Europe is for America to lose its grip on Europe via Russia and for America's economy and military power to collapse via Russia/China/Iran. Otherwise, things in Europe & for Europeans, including the European diaspora, will continue to get worse as time passes.

While it is undeniable that the US has an undue influence in European politics, it is ridiculous to claim that Europe would be better off under yoke of Russia. That's pure Russian propaganda.

And what you mentioned about Meloni is simply not true. I asked Perplexity AI about it and here is the answer:

"Since Giorgia Meloni's administration took office, Italy has seen a significant decrease in the number of illegal immigrants arriving in the country, reportedly a 60-64% reduction in 2024 compared to previous years. This drop has been credited to stricter border controls, bilateral deals—especially with Albania, Tunisia, and Libya—and a focus on deterring smuggling networks.

Illegal Arrivals: Numbers and Policies

- In 2022, Italy recorded over 105,000 illegal arrivals, which rose to more than 157,000 in 2023. By 2024, the number had fallen to around 66,000 due to Meloni's migration control measures.
- The government's approach involves close cooperation with North African countries and the creation of new agreements for offshoring migrant processing, most notably with Albania.

Deportations and Repatriations

- Although Meloni's administration has emphasized increasing deportations, Italy's record remains weaker than that of France or Germany. In 2023, slightly over 4,000 migrants were forcibly deported—about a third of France and Germany's numbers, while most expulsion orders went unenforced.
- New offshore migrant centres in Albania were designed to process up to 36,000 asylum seekers annually and facilitate swift deportations, though repeated interventions by Italian courts have blocked mass transfers and raised legal challenges concerning international protections and “safe country” designations.
- Despite some high-profile deportation flights—for example, to Egypt—these remain relatively few, but Meloni's government is pressing the EU to clarify rules and designate more countries as safe for returns.

Balancing Deterrence and Legal Migration

- While illegal arrivals have dropped, the Meloni government has also announced plans to issue up to 500,000 work visas over three years to address labor shortages and channel migration into legal pathways.
- The administration’s strategy is described as “controlled openness,” combining tough rhetoric and deterrence with pragmatism on labor migration.

Legal and Political Challenges

- Italian courts and human rights organizations continue to challenge the legality of rapid deportations and offshoring measures, leading to ongoing legal battles that have limited the government’s ability to implement large-scale removals.
- These challenges mean that, while arrivals are down, broad-scale increases in deportations are limited by Italy's legal and procedural frameworks.

In conclusion, the Meloni administration has achieved a marked reduction in illegal immigration flows to Italy through stricter border policies and deals with third countries, but it has not dramatically increased deportations—largely due to legal obstacles and enforcement limitations."


The real reason why it is hard to increase deportations is that there are laws at the European level and the charter of Human Rights that protect immigrants and governments just cannot deport anyone they want that easily. Even Trump faced significant legal challenges from US courts themselves, and the US has weaker individual protection than the EU.

 

[norbert]

Let's not pretend the European continent isn't a vassal state of the United States and the group that runs the United States. Many European countries have voted in political parties that promises to halt and deport illegal aliens but once they get into power, they don't do anything they promised and in fact increase the amount that come in, see Italy/Meloni, Poland, Brexit, etc. Europeans, both men & women have voted time and time again for deportations and it never happens. This is because Europe (excluding Russia) is a vassal state of the powers that run the USA. People don't understand what happens when you actually try to go against the power structure, you will be de-banked, fired, destroyed, etc. The best bet for Europe is for America to lose its grip on Europe via Russia and for America's economy and military power to collapse via Russia/China/Iran. Otherwise, things in Europe & for Europeans, including the European diaspora, will continue to get worse as time passes.

That the EU is a vassal to the US has once again been confirmed by the recent scandal surrounding Dutch semiconductor manufacturer Nexperia. The Dutch government made an unprecedented move by seizing said company, citing an emergency law from 1952. Nexperia has been a subsidiary of the Chinese company Wingtech Technology since 2019. It obviously happened under US pressure to avoid the inclusion of Nexperia on America's Entity List. Nexperia is not exactly a producer of high-end semiconductors but its components are essential to the European automotive industry and the move is already having disastrous consequences, at least for German car manufacturers like VW, as if the tariffs aren't bad enough already.

The US is a power in terminal decline. It is kicking and screaming which you can conclude from Trump's rhetoric and that of his administration. The clown show is a symptom of a general state of affairs, not something that can be solely attributed to Trump and his character. Trump has been put in charge of America's decline but he's still trying to save the dollar hegemony that has enabled his country's parasitic role in the world economy, mostly through the financialisation of global capitalism and the offshoring of manufacturing. This has benefited China to become the world's leading industrial powerhouse and the US is now realising that it has shot itself in the foot by pursuing a short-sighted policy of profits for the very few at the cost of its national industry with all the catastrophic consequences on the working population.

The US is trying to reverse the trend of its demise with threats, tariffs and violent activities that can only be described as state terrorism against sovereign countries like Venezuela recently. Its support for the genocide and rampant terrorism committed by Israel must be viewed in this context. As the US Empire falls apart, it's devouring itself and lashing out at the world, especially its vassals to extort every penny it can. It has deindustrialised, it cannot reindustrialise and the war in Ukraine is obviously lost. America's proxy war in Ukraine is not like Iraq or Afghanistan. It cannot just walk away like in the latter two cases. Opting out of Ukraine will be an admission of a major global strategic defeat. Russia dared the Empire and won. Yes, it too paid a high price but it has shown the world that it will not and cannot be subjugated and the European vassals can only watch in contempt. Should they indeed attack Russia by 2029 as some people fear or predict, it won't be a war of drones, tanks and trenches. That war would go nuclear right away and Europe would be annihilated. It seems to me that Western leaders believe that if they can't dictate the rules to the rest of the world, it's better to let it burn.

Europe's biggest enemy is the US. European countries are governed by globalist elites who have nothing but contempt for "their" populations. They don't care about crime statistics and rapes committed by migrants because they have no sympathy for the people they govern and their children. We shouldn't also overestimate the sophistication of those in power. We are governed by literal morons. To have someone like Annalena Baerbock as the foreign minister of a (once) prestigious country like Germany or Kaja Kallas now in charge of the EU's foreign policy are symptoms of decline. There is no strategy, no diplomacy, no long-term pursuit of national interests. Just hostile, infantile rhetoric and sanctions after sanctions. I think it was the late Kissinger, a criminal himself but a great strategist nevertheless, who said that sanctions are not a strategy but the absence of it. America cuts off Europe from cheap Russian energy with disastrous consequences for the German industry in particular. The Nord Stream pipeline gets destroyed, a major act of industrial terrorism, by ostensibly Ukrainian perpetrators but not without US consent and perhaps even direct support, including that of the Scandinavian countries and Poland. The gas may have been Russian but the infrastructure was European. Now tariffs and acts like the Nexperia case. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are disappearing, yet we're told we need to import masses of unskilled, illiterate, low IQ rapists. Illegal mass migration has been another weapon against Europe for decades and you can also guess who was at the forefront of its ideological facilitation and promotion but that's another topic, one which will become very popular in the upcoming years. It has already reached the mainstream of online discourse.

I'd like to add another thing to my previous mentioning of us being governed by people who despise us and whose only loyalties are to their peers in other countries, the same clique sponsored by Western-based globalist capital rallying around platforms like the WEF. They thought they were going to shape the world with their own agenda of "diversity" for the purpose of dismantling any sense of social cohesion which could stand in the way of global capital. What they have done instead is just the destruction of the West. The same stratification has occured on the lower levels of society. I recently read something interesting by eminent French historian Emmanuel Todd. He describes how mass higher education led to the fragmentation of society. The "highly educated" prefer to live among themselves, considering themselves superior and despising the working classes. They have nothing but contempt for manual labour. Every plumber adds more value to society and national economy than most of those useless office s(h)itters. And even as academia is concerned, we have been nurturing an excess of "social counsellors", political "scientists", journalists and shysters instead of engineers and doctors. We cannot blame China or Russia for our demise.

The idea that we could fall under Russia's yoke is utterly ridiculous. Russia is neither capable or interested in conquering Europe. Almost four years of war in Ukraine and they can't even push out the Ukrainian forces from Donbas. Granted, they're conducting a war of attrition with limited ressources (they never declared war on Ukraine) but it still speaks of their limited capabilities. Europe had a historical chance to partner up with Russia. It was a path to lasting peace, stability and economic prosperity. We could have avoided many other global wars and the illegal mass migration and displacement of millions of people. But it was not in the interest of the US. Not everything can be blamed on America. Germany has pursued a rather egotistic policy of surplus export at the cost of the rest of Europe, including France. They are now paying the price for their decades long arrogance which went out of control after the "reunification."

Yes, we're looking at dark times.

 

[Riverman]

except when it comes to rapes, paedophilia and child pornography, for which Pakistani and Afghans are the most overrepresented

Having sexual intercourse with minors (not just teens, but actual, younger children), including minor boys, has in some Afghan groups a long tradition, unfortunately:

Bacha bazi[1] (Persian[a]: بچه بازی, lit. 'boy play') is a declining[2]: 175,178  pederastic practice in Afghanistan and in historical Turkestan, in which men exploit and enslave adolescent boys sometimes for sexual abuse, and/or coerce them to cross-dress in attire traditionally only worn by women and girls.[7] The man exploiting the young boy is called a bacha baz (literally "boy player").[4] Typically, the bacha baz forces the bacha (young boy) to dress in women's clothing and dance for entertainment.[4][8]

Bacha bazi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is a particularly nasty and older "tradition" in the region. There were a couple of TV reports on this disgusting practise.

 

[norbert]

Having sexual intercourse with minors (not just teens, but actual, younger children), including minor boys, has in some Afghan groups a long tradition, unfortunately:

Bacha bazi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is a particularly nasty and older "tradition" in the region. There were a couple of TV reports on this disgusting practise.

Pederasty was a phenomenon in various cultures but this is an extreme consequence of the segregation of the sexes. As you said, it is an older tradition, so I don't know how related this bacha bazi thing is to Islam but homosexuality is rampant in the Muslim world and it definitely has to do with gender segregation, among other things. Nothing wrong with homosexuality but this bacha bazi phenomenon is a disgusting form of exploitation of minors. I read it was banned by the Taliban.

 

[Degredado]

This is so crazy to watch from the outside. Late 20th century Western and Northern Europe really reached the apex in quality of life in all of human experience, and then decided to self-implode - out of nihilistic boredom? The dread of being called a racist after WW2? Corporate greed and unwillingness to pay good wages? Crypto-marxists in power seeking societal collapse to finally build their utopia? It’s hard to even conjecture a reasonable explanation.

 

[Riverman]

This is so crazy to watch from the outside. Late 20th century Western and Northern Europe really reached the apex in quality of life in all of human experience, and then decided to self-implode - out of nihilistic boredom? The dread of being called a racist after WW2? Corporate greed and unwillingness to pay good wages? Crypto-marxists in power seeking societal collapse to finally build their utopia? It’s hard to even conjecture a reasonable explanation.

You think Europeans wanted this scenario on their own? Every poll done on various issues of relevance would have been negative over the decades, and still the political class goes on with this. The worst part is, that most polls would have been negative despite the massive, concerted efforts of the mass media and various institutions - people would have voted against every wrong step gone in the last decades anyway. That's all definitely not because the Europeans wanted it, but because they have a political class which doesn't work in their interest. But of course, that's all just a conspiracy theory...

Take Friedrich Merz as an example and look up what he said before the elections - on campaign - and what he does now.

 

[Miguel]

Well, they occupy the demographic niches where most criminality comes out of.

Disproportionately young, urban, ungraduated, poor, men, raised in declining working class neighborhoods...

Criminals like that have always existed, they just were whites.

 

[Riverman]

Well, they occupy the demographic niches where most criminality comes out of.

Disproportionately young, urban, ungraduated, poor, men, raised in declining working class neighborhoods...

Criminals like that have always existed, they just were whites.

I disagree. Look up how common e.g. "gang rapes", sexual assualts in general, violent attacks on elderly etc. were prior to the mass migration after 2010/2015. These are criminal acts which come from a specific mindset, brutalised and asocial ideology, as well as a disregard for the local population, lack of respect, even hate, especially towards women.

Of course you are right insofar, as they are in the most problematic cohort by age, sex and socio-economic as well as educational status, but first, you have to question why mass immigration with such a background was allowed, and secondly, you have to compare the same profiles of locals and Europeans with that of the immigrants: The numbers are still vastly different.

They are also vastly different between different non-European migrants, e.g. Japanese and Korean vs. Ghana and Afghanistan. The differences are just absolutely shocking. Some of the statistics got published for Germany and specific migrant groups are just extremely more likely to commit multiple crimes during their presence in the country. And even worse, even if getting caught, they being allowed to stay...

 

[I1a3_Young]

I wish there was a way to go back in time and tell the Euros this, but they would have stubbornly disbelieved it and called me a racist.

This is the product of the elites such as WEF and Ursula ramming this down from an ownership class vs the commoners.

 

[Vallicanus]

I wish there was a way to go back in time and tell the Euros this, but they would have stubbornly disbelieved it and called me a racist.

This is the product of the elites such as WEF and Ursula ramming this down from an ownership class vs the commoners.

The Rich have always been Globalist and have more in common with the Rich abroad than with their own poorer compatriots.

 

[Miguel]

They are also vastly different between different non-European migrants, e.g. Japanese and Korean vs. Ghana and Afghanistan. The differences are just absolutely shocking.

Koreans and Japanese are poorer and more individualistic and introverted(now, in the last decades).

But they have sex crimes of their own, such as 'chikan' (train molestation), hidden cameras or drugging your beverage.

 

[Riverman]

Koreans and Japanese are poorer and more individualistic and introverted(now, in the last decades).

But they have sex crimes of their own, such as 'chikan' (train molestation), hidden cameras or drugging your beverage.

Most basic issues here are violence and frequency of criminal behaviour, plus productivity level, welfare-abuse and religious extremism. I guess nobody would say that if a Central European country would suddenly receive 1 million East Asians within 10 years, there would be no troubles, but first such big pulse migrations should be generally prevented and secondly the problems would be still not the same as and as damaging to a Western society as the kind of migration Europe received and is still receiving, especially since around 2015.