E-m84

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Ethnic group
Saho tribe
Y-DNA haplogroup
E-m84 > E-FTD17137
mtDNA haplogroup
L3f1b
Since E-z830 is the Natufian haplogroup in the Levant so is it fair to assume that the original levant inhabitants carried E-m35 haplogroup and perhaps thats the original Israelites haplogroup before j haplogroup migrated to there.

There is a new sample under E-y5427*
From Iran
 
I just learned that the E-y5427* sample is Iranian
Like wise one of the E-m84* samples has Iran origin but lives different country .

Could E-m84 have originated in Iran ?
 
Masta305 said:
I just learned that the E-y5427* sample is Iranian
Like wise one of the E-m84* samples has Iran origin but lives different country .

Could E-m84 have originated in Iran ?
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R042 - E-Y5427 - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：R042
www.theytree.com www.theytree.com


P.s
I think e-m84 originated also in the levant
Not far from his natufian e-z830 Großvater
But it is possible his downstream e-y5427
Which most modern day carries of e-m84
Haplogroup derived for
originated in mesopotamia or southern anatolia
(E-y5427 downstreams like e-pf6751 were found in late chalcolithic anatolia
And e-y5435 in iron age north iraq if i am not wrong here)
 
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kingjohn said:

R042 - E-Y5427 - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：R042
www.theytree.com www.theytree.com


P.s
I think e-m84 originated also in the levant
Not far from his natufian e-z830 grossvater
But it is possible his downstream e-y5427
Which most modern day carries of e-m84
Haplogroup derived for
originated in mesopotamia or southern anatolia
(E-y5427 downstreams like e-pf6751 were found in late chalcolithic anatolia
And e-y5435 in iron age north iraq if i am not wrong here)
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How come E-z841 is rare in south arabia and east africa almost all samples are in Eurasia. It's area of frequency is more concentrated in Eurasia
 
Masta305 said:
How come E-z841 is rare in south arabia and east africa almost all samples are in Eurasia. It's area of frequency is more concentrated in Eurasia
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That is a true enigma
To be honest
I have no clue🤔

P.s
Also at the moment all ancient remains
from southwest asia who are e-m34
Happen to derived for e-m84 rather than
e-z841
All ancient e-z841 cases ( up untill now) are from roman period or later and came from europe not the near east
Lets hope future papers will shed more light
On this e-z841 branch
 
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kingjohn said:

R042 - E-Y5427 - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：R042
www.theytree.com www.theytree.com


P.s
I think e-m84 originated also in the levant
Not far from his natufian e-z830 Großvater
But it is possible his downstream e-y5427
Which most modern day carries of e-m84
Haplogroup derived for
originated in mesopotamia or southern anatolia
(E-y5427 downstreams like e-pf6751 were found in late chalcolithic anatolia
And e-y5435 in iron age north iraq if i am not wrong here)
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yes, not only e-y5427 has possibility of mesopotamia or southern anatolia orgin
E-L791, the non E-M84 branch of E-M34 also has strong southern anatolia connection judging from ancient samples.
While on the other hand, Iranian E-M34 samples in comparison are more "recent" in comparison, even if we have proofs that E-M34 folks are present in ancient Elamites, it cannot justify an e-y5427 Iranian orgin
 
Aaron1981 said:
My E-M84 ancestors came from the northern Levant. It's evident from their non-British ancestry at 23andMe, and we all know how homogeneous the Brits are.
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Generally speaking yes the original e-m84
Extremely likely originated in the south levant
Did your e-m84 relative did big-y 700 test ?
You might need it to shed more light
On his specific e-m84 downstream branch movement to england
Some e-m84 branches look european
( at least for the last 1500-2000 years)
p.s
It is possible some e-m84 downstream branches entered england with the norman invasion
In the e3b project there are some individuals with clear norman surnames will not post here due to there privacy
So normans could be source for presence of e-m84 in britain at least partly
 
kingjohn said:
Generally speaking yes the original e-m84
Extremely likely originated in the south levant
Did your e-m84 relative did big-y 700 test ?
You might need it to shed more light
On his specific e-m84 downstream branch movement to england
Some e-m84 branches look european
( at least for the last 1500-2000 years)
p.s
It is possible some e-m84 downstream branches entered england with the norman invasion
In the e3b project there are some individuals with clear norman surnames will not post here due to there privacy
So normans could be source for presence of e-m84 in britain at least partly
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good points bro! E-m123 in general appears more in England than my fellow J1 people, ( most J1 English people I saw were of surname cohen which do explain J1's situation there though) you have Sir William Harvey whose surname sounds not "Jewish" and is E-M34, his ancestor could be Roman soldiers or Normans from France.
 

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kingjohn said:
thanks(y)
my understanding of arabic language is not so good
but the picture is logic
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It's a video that you can play . Press play ▶️ podcast

In regards to eritrea ydna study it's for 255 samples for 8 different nations in the country and so we see which ydna haplo is most frequent.
 
Masta305 said:
It's a video that you can play . Press play ▶️ podcast

In regards to eritrea ydna study it's for 255 samples for 8 different nations in the country and so we see which ydna haplo is most frequent.
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thanks
at first i tried to read what above the podcast
instead of listening :ROFLMAO:
about the eritrea study it look like e-v1515 is the most common y haplogroup

E-CTS10880 YTree

www.yfull.com www.yfull.com
 
kingjohn said:
thanks
at first i tried to read what above the podcast
instead of listening :ROFLMAO:
about the eritrea study it look like e-v1515 is the most common y haplogroup

E-CTS10880 YTree

www.yfull.com www.yfull.com
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Yes and E-1515 is from E-z830 so that's ancient back to Africa migration from middle east . Haplogroup E returned back home finally in east africa 😄 after leaving africa 30k years ago under mutation E-m35 in levant region .

Link to the Eritrea study scientific article
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Haplotype data and forensic evaluation of 23 Y-STR and 12 X-STR loci in eight ethnic groups from Eritrea

Eritrea is a multi-ethnic country of over 3 million of people consisting of different ethnic groups, having each its own language and cultural tradition. Due to the lack of population genetic data for markers of forensic interest, in this study, we analyzed ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
kingjohn said:
about eritrea
there is also this research ( only 93 males here but snp tested not y-str) :

i had no access to it
but somone posted back in the day some pictures from the book ;)

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Very nice thanks for sharing these clear photos. Interesting results. Kunama and Nara are considered the oldest people in the country and no wonder they have haplogroup B .
 
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kingjohn said:
Ok,
When he will expose all the 97 ethiopian samples
Maybe you can create a table
of of each haplogroup %
present among them😉
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Yea that sounds like a plan and new challenge 👍
 
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