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the official organisation of EU for 'clean boarders' is FRONTEX

FRONTEX headquarters are in Warsaw Poland
link to the organisation is below

http://frontex.europa.eu/about-frontex/organisation/structure/

but the main responsible are each country fronter line quards, police, and army navy coastguard.

generally the numbers given by each country and the ones given by FRONTEX had some differences

but it is common sence in All EU countries, FRONTEX and United Nation Organization that the last 5 years the immigration is reaching terrible raise

so by the numbers I Have found the raise is 250% till now from 2011 with a possibilty to reach 300%
and for some countries is reaching above 10% of the population in 5 years,

in Italy and Greece is the highest entrance, and 3rd is Spain,

Generally they came by boat,
they carry their pappers until sinking,
they phone the coastguard,
they drop the pappers and sink the boat when they see the coastguard ship,
sometimes like in island of Rodos they drive the boat to the rocks, nomatter the coastguard is nearby,

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=32&v=idoQ-3_mBmI




from March to October every day 80-200 illegal immigrants enter such only in Greece, while in Italy estimated x3 x4 the numbers
but this year show a huge raise of 250%

according the numbers given by Greek Goverment (Front Police and Ministry of secure) from 2010 more than 850 000 enter illegal
and in Italy more than 4 000 000
Greek goverment send back to their countries, with a EU program more than 80 000

According Frontex in Greece enter only in January and February
Sorry I can copy or enter, it exceeds the capacity allowed
so I give Link

http://frontex.europa.eu/assets/Images_News/Illegal_border_crossing_routes_February__2015.pdf

 
So, illegal immigrants arrived in Greece and Malta and not only in Italy?because some days it arrived around 1000 peoples.
 
Hauteville said:
So, illegal immigrants arrived in Greece and Malta and not only in Italy?because some days it arrived around 1000 peoples.
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and much more to come yet. We just had the first days of calm weather. Every 1000 applications processed in Malta with a population of approx 400,000 is equivalent to 150,000 arriving in Italy (Lampedusa and Sicily) (population wise)
 
The most appalling report is the one that the Muslim inhabitants of one of these boats threw some people overboard because they were saying Christian prayers.
At least the Italian authorities arrested them for hate crimes)and I hope, murder), but Matteo Renzi, in a display of cowardice, refused to call it what it is, and Obama, as usual, is missing in action.

There is a holocaust going on in the Muslim world and no one is doing anything about it. This is what shouldn't be imported into Europe.
 
Angela said:
The most appalling report is the one that the Muslim inhabitants of one of these boats threw some people overboard because they were saying Christian prayers.
At least the Italian authorities arrested them for hate crimes)and I hope, murder), but Matteo Renzi, in a display of cowardice, refused to call it what it is, and Obama, as usual, is missing in action.

There is a holocaust going on in the Muslim world and no one is doing anything about it. This is what shouldn't be imported into Europe.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nghy-African-migrants-sank-Mediterranean.html
 
Interesting are the prices of the 'slave-merchants'

so a Syrrian to cross Turkey pays 1500-2000 E
an Iraqi Kurd about 500
and a Pakistan/Afganistan about 2000-2500E

Just to pass the Aegean Boarders and enter Greece (a distance about 1-10km) the price is 1500-2000 E to buy the ticket to the 'sinking boat'
while from Greece to Italy is 5000 E
and from Greece to Albania to Croatia or Italy is only 150-250 E, cause nobody prefers this way, cause he will be again out of EU.

The amazing story was last year, a fishing boat that depart from Antalya Turkey was found lost East of Crete,
when the coasthuard reach them they raise Italian flag, and start talking in Italian ατ loudspeaker,
when they realize that they were in Greece after 3 days trip, they were so disapointed,
that said the whole story with names and adresses of 'slave-merchants'.


Anyway, th European south has changed enough the last 5 years,
and will be different if EU id cards given,
in italy is 8% and in Greece is 10%, of pop[ulation in 5 years!!!!
Malta had that sock before.
 
Yetos said:
Interesting are the prices of the 'slave-merchants'

so a Syrrian to cross Turkey pays 1500-2000 E
an Iraqi Kurd about 500
and a Pakistan/Afganistan about 2000-2500E

Just to pass the Aegean Boarders and enter Greece (a distance about 1-10km) the price is 1500-2000 E to buy the ticket to the 'sinking boat'
while from Greece to Italy is 5000 E
and from Greece to Albania to Croatia or Italy is only 150-250 E, cause nobody prefers this way, cause he will be again out of EU.

The amazing story was last year, a fishing boat that depart from Antalya Turkey was found lost East of Crete,
when the coasthuard reach them they raise Italian flag, and start talking in Italian ατ loudspeaker,
when they realize that they were in Greece after 3 days trip, they were so disapointed,
that said the whole story with names and adresses of 'slave-merchants'.


Anyway, th European south has changed enough the last 5 years,
and will be different if EU id cards given,
in italy is 8% and in Greece is 10%, of pop[ulation in 5 years!!!!
Malta had that sock before.
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put them on a train and send them to germany and britain, if they fail to take them, then tell them to not get involved in southern european national affairs .........you cannot have your cake and eat it as well is the old saying.
 
Sile said:
put them on a train and send them to germany and britain, if they fail to take them, then tell them to not get involved in southern european national affairs .........you cannot have your cake and eat it as well is the old saying.
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It is a solution but
This cannot be done,
After Soengen and Maastricht (however is wrtten, I always forgot) the immigrants get marks photo, fingers etc,
so if they catch them in Germany or in Britain, and they are marked, they return back to the entrance country,
their only hope is to take asylum pappers or white/green card from the other country to travel away, this can take years, even 10 years,
there are more than 20 000 babys born in Greece, by illegal immigrants, with no EU ID card, waiting who knows what,

it is a strange situation


seems like Lapedoussa island and Agean islands are about to become like Ellis island of early 90's in US
 
Sile said:
put them on a train and send them to germany and britain, if they fail to take them, then tell them to not get involved in southern european national affairs .........you cannot have your cake and eat it as well is the old saying.
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send them back to the African shores where they came from and put that story in the news
the whole market for this traffic will crumble

it's a huge business, last year some 170.000 crossed the meditarranean and some 3.500 drowned
this year, business is booming ..
 
bicicleur said:
send them back to the African shores where they came from and put that story in the news
the whole market for this traffic will crumble

it's a huge business, last year some 170.000 crossed the meditarranean and some 3.500 drowned
this year, business is booming ..
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From 2013!

"The European Court of Human Rights, which stopped Malta's not-so-generous prime minister, Joseph Muscat, from flying them back to Libya after claiming the island could not cope with more illegal immigrants"

Strasbourg's judges backed claims by Maltese human rights groups and EU commissioners that Mr Muscat was violating EU law by not allowing them to make asylum claims first, and that the move was an illegal "push-back".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/malta/10192458/EU-immigration-Malta-is-the-smallest-state-and-we-are-carrying-a-burden-that-is-much-bigger-than-any-other-country.html

But Brussels says its a tiny problem and the Pope says we should open our houses to welcome them, and yet no one questions the criminals activity to traffic these peoples. Where is the money going to? The perfect trojan horse. Sleep Europe sleep you will wake up to a nightmare
 
Maleth said:
From 2013!

"The European Court of Human Rights, which stopped Malta's not-so-generous prime minister, Joseph Muscat, from flying them back to Libya after claiming the island could not cope with more illegal immigrants"

Strasbourg's judges backed claims by Maltese human rights groups and EU commissioners that Mr Muscat was violating EU law by not allowing them to make asylum claims first, and that the move was an illegal "push-back".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/malta/10192458/EU-immigration-Malta-is-the-smallest-state-and-we-are-carrying-a-burden-that-is-much-bigger-than-any-other-country.html

But Brussels says its a tiny problem and the Pope says we should open our houses to welcome them, and yet no one questions the criminals activity to traffic these peoples. Where is the money going to? The perfect trojan horse. Sleep Europe sleep you will wake up to a nightmare
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Send a few thousand to live in the Vatican then.
 
if it's against the law to send them back this law should be abolished
maybe we should let them all drown, is there any law that says we should rescue them if they ship themselves on unseaworthy vessels ?
 
bicicleur said:
if it's against the law to send them back this law should be abolished
maybe we should let them all drown, is there any law that says we should rescue them if they ship themselves on unseaworthy vessels ?
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My question is everybody talks about human rights which is fine. I think help and assistance should be be given to genuine cases who are genuine desperate until things improve in their own countries and be sent back, but its not always the case and no one would admit it. When will stability happen? there is a lase affair situation where the impression is that things will settle on their own. My fear is that no matter how much bad it might sound there is a whole lot of abuse in the whole issue.

*) What has happened to all the aid being given to Africa from the EU especially Somalia and Eritrea in all these years?. Don't anyone monitor and report any kind of progress after all these years? Having freedom in and generate an economy and education system in their own country isn't also a human right? Why the numbers are increasing? we now have ships not boats with fleeing migrants.

*) why the religious fanatics Al shebab who are causing most of the mayhem in East Africa are not tackled seriously with logistics and support to the people who are terrorized by these people? and after all these years we still repeat the same old rants. Same with other religious fanatics in other parts of Africa including now ISIS in Libya.

Isn't enough enough?

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20150423/local/eu-in-u-turn-on-migrant-rescues.565268
 
Vallicanus said:
Send a few thousand to live in the Vatican then.
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LOL, the Vatican is basically another neighborhood of Rome, calling it a country is ridiculous to be quite frank. Sure, I mean, it has all the aspects of a country, almost all of them i.e diplomats, government, official language etc, but it wasn't always the case.
 
bicicleur said:
if it's against the law to send them back this law should be abolished
maybe we should let them all drown, is there any law that says we should rescue them if they ship themselves on unseaworthy vessels ?
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No, there's only a little thing called humanity and morality.
 
Maleth said:
My question is everybody talks about human rights which is fine. I think help and assistance should be be given to genuine cases who are genuine desperate until things improve in their own countries and be sent back, but its not always the case and no one would admit it. When will stability happen? there is a lase affair situation where the impression is that things will settle on their own. My fear is that no matter how much bad it might sound there is a whole lot of abuse in the whole issue.

*) What has happened to all the aid being given to Africa from the EU especially Somalia and Eritrea in all these years?. Don't anyone monitor and report any kind of progress after all these years? Having freedom in and generate an economy and education system in their own country isn't also a human right? Why the numbers are increasing? we now have ships not boats with fleeing migrants.

*) why the religious fanatics Al shebab who are causing most of the mayhem in East Africa are not tackled seriously with logistics and support to the people who are terrorized by these people? and after all these years we still repeat the same old rants. Same with other religious fanatics in other parts of Africa including now ISIS in Libya.

Isn't enough enough?

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20150423/local/eu-in-u-turn-on-migrant-rescues.565268
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all these organisations like human rights watch or the united nations etc. they talk and complain alot but they don't bring any solution any nearer ; they only complicate mathers ; i guess for many it is just a full-time very well-paid job
in the mean time criminal organisations make a lot of many with people who are in deep shit
 
We are not our brother's (or
sister's) keeper.

25 years ago the peoples of Eastern Europe threw off Communist oppression.

Why can't Subsaharan Africans not throw off their own political oppressors?
 
bicicleur said:
all these organisations like human rights watch or the united nations etc. they talk and complain alot but they don't bring any solution any nearer ; they only complicate mathers ; i guess for many it is just a full-time very well-paid job
in the mean time criminal organisations make a lot of many with people who are in deep shit
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Exactly and they hardly ever mention countries like Saudi Arabia multi rich state and other rich countries (untouchables even by the USA by the way) who are much closer to East Africa where these migrants do not have to make perilous Journeys through the largest desert in the world (many die crossing it and we never hear of them) cross into an unstable country like Libya and get on non sea worthy boats and ships, then they cry out how bad Europe is. But you know these people have a human right to remain pure and homogeneous, and no one should be offended if not allowed to build a church..... but Europe is the racist one!! :banghead:
 
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