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This. It's also interesting that on 23andMe these days I notice many Balkanites getting Peloponnesian as part of their Ancestry.
Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans
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This. It's also interesting that on 23andMe these days I notice many Balkanites getting Peloponnesian as part of their Ancestry.
I think 23andme autosomal breakdown model is a bit skewed. Notice, i said model, they can improve that a lot though.
Seems like it, when using Sicilians versus Serbs for Peloponnese:
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 1.6654% / 0.01665386
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]67.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Sicilian_East[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]32.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Greek_Trabzon
Distance: 1.5673% / 0.01567298
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]83.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Georgian_Laz[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]16.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2[/TD]
But Peloponnesians as Serbs do carry native paleobalkan admixture which in this 2-way model can only be expressed by inflating the latter...
It rises by almost 15 points if you choose Serbs instead of Poles/Ukrainians.
It's even more evident in your national average which gets modelled as 52% Sicilian_east and 48% Serbian whereas the NE signal is reduced by almost 23! points when choosing Poles/Ukrainians.
Do you believe that you really are almost half Serbian like ? Personally I don't think so ...
Well I choosed Sicilians instead of Empuries for one reason.
If you use Empuries it's roughly 50/50 for Serbs. Also I find it hard to believe that Slavs that reached Greece in the early stage were Serb-like. Even if they turn to be that way we need to make sure that they are not outliers before comming up with the conclusions.
What do you think of using Croats as an admixture for Ballkanic-related ( Albanian, Thracian, Venetian etc), Germanic and Slavic admixture combined together for post-Classical Age Peloponnese versus Empuries?
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 2.3217% / 0.02321709[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]58.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]41.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Croatian[/TD]
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Beautiful things are happening, Greeks reducing the Slavic influence of Albanians as an argument in their continuity theory in mainland. For the record, I believe that Modern Greeks have continuity from the Ancient ones, but probably not in mainland.
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If modern Peloponnesians are a proxy for old Greek genes and have near zero ancient continuity, and Sicilians are a good representative of ancient Greek ancestry, they have quite a bit in common with Sicilians. The replacement populations are pretty “Greek-like,” if Sicilians are among the closest to ancient Greeks (using the few Mycenaean and Empuries samples).
Now I even doubt E-V13 existed at all among Classical Age Peloponnesians. Let's wait and see.
There is something strange with Peloponnesians being so northern shifted and close to Greek Macedonians when they have half of I2a and R1a that Greek Macedonians have.
There is something strange with Peloponnesians being so northern shifted and close to Greek Macedonians when they have half of I2a and R1a that Greek Macedonians have.
It is absolutely for sure E-V13 did exist among classical age Peleponnesians, the question is just which subclades and frequency! Because Psenichevo, the main Thracian group, directly to the North, covering a portion of modern Greece, was packed with E-V13. And we know that the Greeks mixed with Thracians. Historical Greek people had Thracian fathers, Thracian soldiers were mentioned in various armies and cities, and they were common among the Greek slaves as well. This means there is practically no way V13 was absent from classical Greece, including the Peleponnese, but it could have been fairly low. That's possible, a very low percentage and that almost none of the old lineages did survive into modernity. E-V13 was definitely picked up and incorporated by Slavs at different stages, from the Proto-Slavic to the Balkan Slavic stage. So they picked up E-V13 constantry, from starting point to destination. This means that they too brought a lot of E-V13 to Greece, presumably.
Its even possible that more of the classical era E-V13 survived in Anatolian and Cypriotic Greeks, as well as Southern Italians, than in modern Northern Greece. Because V13 is not V13 in this context. Its the subclades which really matter, since V13 was present since about 1.300-1.000 BC in Greece, but some lineages died out, others came in with different people. Just like R1b is not R1b for the Germanic vs. Celtic context, comparing e.g. U152 vs. U106. The same applies to some subclades of E-V13, but the problem is its timing is much shorter, and the original expansion involved all major lineages, so we really have to look for more recent subclades to know. In this case, early Greek and Thracian lineages in Greece should have no TMRCA with obvious Albanian, Vlach and Slavic lineages after 0 AD or better earlier. There are a lot which meet this requirement, but that's probably just because the sampling is insufficient. If it holds, there should be Greek lineages with no more recent TMRCA with other Balkan groups, but only Anatolian, Cypriotic and Southern Italian matches after 0 AD and preferably a last common ancestor even earlier. Ideally from the first expansion phase up to Hallstatt, so no later than 500 BC.
There are some Asiatic haplogroups in Europe with negligible percentages <1%, given were are in the time of globalization those numbers might increase I would say this "X" clade came during the 21/22th century not the Middle Ages.
I was being hyperbolic with my words. There was an Eastern African in Balkans.
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Greek ancient G25 model
I made this model for Greeks using G25. The calculator really likes Helladic_MBA for the Greeks. Its located in Northern Greece on the border of Thessaly and Greek Macedonia
If i only add Mycenaean the calculator replaces Aegean with Illyrian for Thesally but if i remove all ancient Balkan and Italian samples then this happens:
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.5835% / 0.01583461[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]35.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]35.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]GRC_Mycenaean[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]25.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
And this is with only Illyrian for Balkans and Mycenaean for Aegean
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.0310% / 0.01031024[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]34.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]22.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]22.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]GRC_Mycenaean[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
And this shows which exact samples the calculator picked:
DNA samples i used:
I made this model for Greeks using G25. The calculator really likes Helladic_MBA for the Greeks. Its located in Northern Greece on the border of Thessaly and Greek Macedonia
Code:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Cypriot
Distance: 0.7589% / 0.00758885[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]51.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]26.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]22.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 0.7455% / 0.00745474[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]38.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]16.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]15.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]14.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Dodecanese
Distance: 0.7874% / 0.00787367[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]41.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]21.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]21.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Ancient_SouthAfrican[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Etruscan_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 0.5979% / 0.00597931[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]30.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]30.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]25.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 0.8039% / 0.00803941[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]29.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]27.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]23.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 0.4596% / 0.00459566[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]24.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]20.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]17.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]15.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 0.6995% / 0.00699533[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]32.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]25.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]23.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 0.4905% / 0.00490495[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]32.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]24.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]13.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Ancient_WestAfrican[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Kos
Distance: 0.6891% / 0.00689052[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]47.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]21.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]13.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.1122% / 0.01112202[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]43.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]11.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]If i only add Mycenaean the calculator replaces Aegean with Illyrian for Thesally but if i remove all ancient Balkan and Italian samples then this happens:
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.5835% / 0.01583461[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]35.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]35.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]GRC_Mycenaean[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]25.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
And this is with only Illyrian for Balkans and Mycenaean for Aegean
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.0310% / 0.01031024[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]34.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]22.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]22.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]GRC_Mycenaean[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
And this shows which exact samples the calculator picked:
Code:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Cypriot
Distance: 0.7589% / 0.00758885[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]31.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]26.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]20.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]14.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:ISR:Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Ovaoren_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 0.7455% / 0.00745547[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]31.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]16.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]15.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4332[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA:Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karluk:DA230[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA:Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Dodecanese
Distance: 0.7874% / 0.00787443[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]24.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]18.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:ISR:Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]16.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Ovaoren_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]16.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA:BGR_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Ancient_SouthAfrican:Khoisan_Hunter-Gatherers[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 0.5973% / 0.00597293[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]30.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]20.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]17.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]11.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Ovaoren_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA:BGR_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:ISR:Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 0.8039% / 0.00803922[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]28.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]23.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]19.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4332[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790731[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA:Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Cycladic_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 0.4595% / 0.00459529[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]24.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]15.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA:BGR_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790731[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Minoan_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 0.6995% / 0.00699515[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]32.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]20.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]13.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA:BGR_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA:Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 0.4895% / 0.00489452[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]32.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790731[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Ancient_WestAfrican:Benue_Cereal_Farmer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Kos
Distance: 0.6891% / 0.00689054[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]27.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]15.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Ovaoren_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]13.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:ISR:Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4332[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.1122% / 0.01112202[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]43.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA:BGR_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA:Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]DNA samples i used:
Code:
Aegean: GRC_Mycenaean, GRC_Minoan_EBA, GRC_Minoan_Lassithi, GRC_Helladic_EBA, GRC_Helladic_MBA, GRC_Cycladic_EBA, Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
Anatolian: TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA, TUR_Ovaoren_EBA, TUR_Isparta_EBA
For Anatolians i added Anatolia_East_BA:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
Slav: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
Illyrian: HRV_MBA:I4331, HRV_MBA:I4332
Thracia: UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12
Balkan_East_IA: BGR_IA:I5769
Levant: Levant_Sidon_MBA, ISR:Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8, Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003
South_Semitic_EBA: Arabian_Bedouins:Levant_JOR_EBA
Latium_IA: Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021, Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016
Etruscan_IA: Etruscan:RMPR473, ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b
Sardinia_EBA_IA: Sardinia:ORC002, ITA_Sardinia_EBA
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman: West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179, Ottoman_1400ad:MA2195, KAZ_Karakhanid:DA204, KAZ_Karakhanid:DA205, KAZ_Karluk:DA222, KAZ_Karluk:DA230, KAZ_Kimak:DA87 (I checked the Ottoman one and it had no Anatolian ancestry and it was mostly Turkic so i used it.
Jovialis
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- Messages
- 9,437
- Reaction score
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- Points
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- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R-PF7566 (R-Y227216)
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H6a1b7
I'm tired of these convoluted models. Olalde et al. 2021 provides a clear cut model for places like Northern Greece: Slovenian_IA + Aegean_IA +Kuline.
Anything that doesn't properly reflect that in these calculators is wrong.
Idontknowwhatimdoing
Fledgling
- Messages
- 242
- Reaction score
- 51
- Points
- 28
- Ethnic group
- Greek Cypriot
But he doesn't even mention Slav anywhere. My model is not that complex. It also fits perfectly on Cyprus.
Here's what happens if i reduce them to 5 populations:
Code:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Cypriot
Distance: 0.7589% / 0.00758885 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]51.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]26.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]22.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 0.7818% / 0.00781810 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]42.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]17.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]17.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]13.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Dodecanese
Distance: 0.9083% / 0.00908309 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]43.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]23.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]22.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 0.6039% / 0.00603870 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]31.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]30.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]25.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Balkan_East_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 0.8081% / 0.00808143 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]29.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]27.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]23.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]14.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]5.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 0.5574% / 0.00557414 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]35.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]26.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]19.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 0.7606% / 0.00760629 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]33.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]28.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]21.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 0.5518% / 0.00551769 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]33.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]30.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]14.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]10.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Kos
Distance: 0.7452% / 0.00745218 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]48.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]21.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]10.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.1661% / 0.01166086 | R5P[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]43.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]23.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]19.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]12.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]Jovialis
Advisor
- Messages
- 9,437
- Reaction score
- 6,088
- Points
- 113
- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R-PF7566 (R-Y227216)
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H6a1b7
My main issue is there is so much overlap with source populations that compose them, and the other samples you used. Levant_BA is about half-(2/3rds Anatolian_N/ 1/3rdIran_N/CHG), the rest being related to Natifuian-like ancestry. Aegean_BA (Mycenaean) is mostly Anatolian_N, with Iran_N/CHG, and some steppe. Anatolian_BA is Mostly Anatolian_N, plus a smaller but significant amount of Iran_N/CHG, and about 5% natufian-like.
Thus, just from those samples in the model, it is hard to untangle the right proportions.
Sorry if I sound dismissive, I don't mean to be so harsh.
Thus, just from those samples in the model, it is hard to untangle the right proportions.
Sorry if I sound dismissive, I don't mean to be so harsh.
Jovialis
Advisor
- Messages
- 9,437
- Reaction score
- 6,088
- Points
- 113
- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R-PF7566 (R-Y227216)
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H6a1b7
Here is what I mean:
screen shot from a lecture by Lazaridis:
Figure from the Post-Roman Egypt paper:
Jovialis
Advisor
- Messages
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- Reaction score
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- Points
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- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
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- mtDNA haplogroup
- H6a1b7
^^my philosophy is that calculators need to emulate the results of academic papers, to verify their accuracy. Once a true academic model is replicated, than one can use it to explore other scenarios.
Idontknowwhatimdoing
Fledgling
- Messages
- 242
- Reaction score
- 51
- Points
- 28
- Ethnic group
- Greek Cypriot
The problem is that the Academic artirle doesnt even consider the Slavic input in modern Greeks so their results are obviously flawed. Academic does not always mean right.
I know that these bronze age samples i used are a mix of neolithic people. The calculator tries to figure out how much of that admixture was inherited. For example the ancient proxy might have 10% steppe and your target 2% steppe. The calculator will try to fit that proxy in to increase steppe since there is no other proxy with steppe. (This is an example).
My model is not perfect of course but you can create an image of where modern Greeks lean. There is. There is a strong Aegean signal with Slavic and Ancient Balkan. But their Aegean signal is much stronger than the Balkan one.
I know that these bronze age samples i used are a mix of neolithic people. The calculator tries to figure out how much of that admixture was inherited. For example the ancient proxy might have 10% steppe and your target 2% steppe. The calculator will try to fit that proxy in to increase steppe since there is no other proxy with steppe. (This is an example).
My model is not perfect of course but you can create an image of where modern Greeks lean. There is. There is a strong Aegean signal with Slavic and Ancient Balkan. But their Aegean signal is much stronger than the Balkan one.
bigsnake49
Regular member
- Messages
- 1,820
- Reaction score
- 423
- Points
- 83
- Ethnic group
- Thracian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R-PF7558 (LDNA)
- mtDNA haplogroup
- U5a1b
Wonder what would happen if you totally take out Levant_BA in your model? After all there does not seem to be any historical or archaeological evidence for any kind of population movement from the Levant during the Bronze Age. You have to have historical and archaeological evidence for a population movement before you put them in the model. For example if you had samples from Greece's pre- Greek population in EBA and then you added Greek samples from MBA and LBA then added Slavs from the early Medieval Era now that would make sense.Or you had Greek samples from the Classical Era and added the Slav samples.
You also have to make sure that the Modern Greek samples are from people whose grandparents have not come from Greek Pontus or Cappadocia.
You also have to make sure that the Modern Greek samples are from people whose grandparents have not come from Greek Pontus or Cappadocia.