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Wanderlust said:
Who knows? Far Right, White Nationalist Terrorists are capable of the worst depravity, similar to the idiot Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sweden-pol...poles-over-refugee-centre-attack-plot-1542894




http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/polish-far...-influence-across-europe-warns-expert-1547636
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boo - boo - boo

in no way you can compare these hooligans with those fanatics who blow themselves up in order to kill as many 'infidels' as possible

and you are talking about intellectual dishonesty?
 
Wanderlust said:
LOL Britain removed itself because of "unlimited immigration" from Poland! LOL AGAIN, you keep proving my point. The same biases you have towards Muslims, others have towards you! But that doesn't color your perception or add some empathy and compassion. Instead, you continue to delusionally believe that you are so special and are the exception to your own rules.

Lastly, Poland is not Britain. Britain has a strong economy that has been weakened by leaving the EU. If Poland removed itself from the EU, do you think it would fare better or worse economically? If Britain catches a metaphorical cold from leaving the EU, Poland will contract walking pneumonia. Try it and see.
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Maleth said:
Its all about immigration from the EU.

Listen to this [video]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36848291[/video]

To be honest its not just Poles although they constitute the largest group but many others mostly from Eastern Europe. Of course because of high unemployment there was also a lesser movement of people from the South of Europe.

If this happened in the US no one would notice if people moved from State to State, but the EU is not the US and people are still moving from country to country.

What most Brits did not like is, that these EU migrants could automatically claim social welfare (including child benefits), dole money and accommodation which often amounted to a total income higher then the wages they would get in their perspective countries.

The Irony is that David Cameron actually has managed to get concessions before the referendum and for this not to happen anymore. It seems that it was too late and the new terms were distrusted by the average voter.

By the way, when one watches that link it seems that even now there seems to be some kind of distrust after the referendum and that UK will be pulling out.
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you both didn't adress the question

Angela Merkel nor the EU have the right to impose any quota to recieve immigrant from outside of the EU on any EU memberstate
the EU memberstates are obliged to admit citizens of other EU memberstates
 
LeBrok said:
Just think about stupidity of this statement. It means, that either you think you are the smartest here, and if you didn't get it nobody did. Or you some kind of a leader of "anybody else" here, and they all told you that they didn't get it. Neither one is true, so please stop debating, and start just listen. Perhaps with time some wisdom of others will rab on you.
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well, well

I stepped on your toes and appearantly it hurts

time to be honoust with yourself LeBrok
 
bicicleur said:
you both didn't adress the question

Angela Merkel nor the EU have the right to impose any quota to recieve immigrant from outside of the EU on any EU memberstate
the EU memberstates are obliged to admit citizens of other EU memberstates
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thats just part of it and by eliminating the whole scenario and not seeing things as they are its not going to make you sound right. I dont think anything would to be honest. You are just fixated on one subject. Its annoying very annoying to be honest.
 
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gyms said:
Maleth:Its all about immigration from the EU."

No Maleth,you are totally wrong.They are not immigrants!

European labour law

European labour law is the developing field of laws relating to rights of employment and partnership at work within the European Union and countries adhering to the European Convention on Human Rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_labour_law
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For (the majority of British people or anyone else for that matter) its ALL migration. They do not give two hoots about European Labour Law. Refugies would fall under United nations rules and are temporaly migrants and NOT given citizenship until things get better in their countries unless the home office decides otherwise. There are strict rules on that, and Britian has one of the toughest believe me. Immigrants from NON EU countries DO NOT APPLY for social services and dole money. They need to have a job and make their way. EU citizens its different. Thats what annoys alot of people. They can claim claim claim according to EU directives
 
Wanderlust said:
the whole should not be judged by the folly of the few.
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Maybe let's respond with a quotation from a homosexual journalist Milo Yiannopoulos :

"(...) Islam is a set of ideas and like any other set of ideas, we are perfectly entitled to interrogate it and find it wanting. I personally find it wanting. I would also like to say, that as a gay person I am terrified by massive Muslim immigration, because the homophobia in the Islamic community, in the Ummah, is not restricted to terrorists. It is not restricted to ISIS. As many as 51 percent of British Muslims believe that gay sex should be against the law. This is not Muslims in Syria, this is not Muslims in Raqqa - this is Muslims who live three streets away from me. Every other one of them believes that my lifestyle should be illegal. 39 percent of British Muslims believe that a woman should always obey her husband. Where are feminists on that? 25 percent of British Muslims believe that Sharia Law should be instituted, which under certain circumstances treats a woman's testimony as worth half of a man's. (...) I'm not scared by terrorists, I'm scared by Islam. (...)"
 
Wanderlust said:
millions of young Poles took advantage of the union's freedom of movement policy to escape economic stagnation at home and find employment in prosperous northern European countries.
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What "economic stagnation" are you talking about ???

Poland is Europe's most dynamic economy - according to Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-11-27/how-poland-became-europes-most-dynamic-economy

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And below excerpts from Marcin Piątkowski's 2013 study "Poland's New Golden Age":

"(...) In 2012 Poland’s GDP was almost 20 percent higher than at the beginning of the crisis, a peerless performance among all EU 27 countries (Figure 4)."

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"(...) Strong performance during the crisis helped Poland become the star performer among all transition economies. Its GDP per capita has doubled since 1989, performance partially matched by the Slovak Republic and Estonia only. Poland’s economic growth was also faster than in any other country on the continent, becoming Europe’s growth champion (Figure 5)."

I also posted similar stats in another thread some time ago (LINK below):

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/31521-Poland-s-GDP-PC-in-of-other-European-and-Western-GDP-PC

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In reality Poland's GDP growth between 1989 and 2012 (see above) has been achieved entirely in period 1992 - 2012. This is because in 1989 - 1992 Polish GDP actually declined by 15%, and only since 1992 it started to grow, by 2012 reaching 200% of 1989 level.

In 1989 Polish GDP per capita was 35% of old EU average (other estimates: 29% and 36%), while in 1992 Polish GDP per capita was no more than 28% of Western European average. In 2007 - already 50% of Western European average and in 2012 - 61%:

"(...) As a result of this impressive economic performance, Poland’s income per capita in 2012 reached 61 percent of that in Western Europe (euro zone-17), more than doubling from 28 percent in 1992. (...)"

And:

"(...) This implies that in just twenty years Poland has managed to offset almost 350 years of economic decline, an unprecedented achievement comparable to the economic success of only some Asian economies such as Japan, Korea and China. (...)"

Let's also add that GDP per capita is not the only indicator of living standards, as Piątkowski notices:

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Maybe Piątkowski's conclusions are too optimistic, but claiming that there is "economic stagnation" would be insane.
 
^ So as you can see Poles do not (currently) emigrate because of "economic stagnation". You need to find other explanations. Maybe they just have a wanderlust like you? Ask LeBrok why did he emigrate (but IIRC he emigrated in the 1980s, before the fall of Communism, so reasons for emigration back then were different than in the 1990s or in the 2000s and 2010s). I think that emigration is just a typically Polish thing (it has been for the last 250 years or so, due to various reasons). Just look how numerous are Polish-Americans, for example. In general the Polish Diaspora around the world, is almost as numerous as the population of Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_ethnic_groups#cite_note-27

But the Irish still beat us by far. The Irish Diaspora is few times the size of the population of Ireland.

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During the final stage of Communism in the 1980s, immediately after the fall of Communism and during the Post-Communist transformation (in the 1990s), life in Poland was certainly much, much worse than today. However, this does not explain (at least not entirely) why such a massive emigration started in 2004, immediately after Poland entered the EU.
 
Wanderlust said:
Poland among the least multicultural societies in Europe
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Poland used to be the most multicultural society in Europe. Now we are among the least.

Question is - who made us like this? Was that a Germanic extremist, or an Islamic extremist ???

Probably both of them. Benjamin Netanyahu is blaming the Muslim extremist even more:

 
Tomenable said:
^ So as you can see Poles do not (currently) emigrate because of "economic stagnation". You need to find other explanations.

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During the final stage of Communism in the 1980s, immediately after the fall of Communism and during the Post-Communist transformation (in the 1990s), life in Poland was certainly much, much worse than today. However, this does not explain (at least not entirely) why such a massive emigration started in 2004, immediately after Poland entered the EU.
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Economic stagnation is not the reason, but the differences in salaries between Poland and, let's say Britain remain enormous. The massive emigration started because the Poles could finally migrate legally within the EU.
 
Just like in WW2 German National Socialist leaders and Muslim leader Amin al-Husseini cooperated against Jews, today actions of Swedish far-left socialists and Muslim extremists are forcing the Jewish minority of Sweden to abandon their homes:

 
According to Muslims, "the Jews are worse than Hitler" (no surpise they say this, after all Hitler was their friend):

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116306

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

"Under the guidance of the Reich, Europe would speedily have become unified. Once the Jewish poison had been eradicated, unification would have been an easy matter. (...) that would have allowed Europe to pursue a bold policy of friendship towards Islam." - Adolf Hitler, 4 February 1945.
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Sweden Public Radio Asks: Are Jews Responsible for Anti-Semitism?:

 
Maleth said:
thats just part of it and by eliminating the whole scenario and not seeing things as they are its not going to make you sound right. I dont think anything would to be honest. You are just fixated on one subject. Its annoying very annoying to be honest.
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ok , I think it is stupid that the Brittish want to expell all those Poles who are doing a good job in England
that does not mean we should let in all those people who paid a ticket to human trafickers and who have a very unrealistic view on life in Europe

this thread is about the German train attack

it is very annoying that some people bring up the subject of Poles in England which has nothing to do with that
 
it is very annoying that some people bring up the subject of Poles in England which has nothing to do with that

Kinda straw man imo.Extreme-left patient lift.
 
Tomenable said:
Maybe let's respond with a quotation from a homosexual journalist Milo Yiannopoulos :

"(...) Islam is a set of ideas and like any other set of ideas, we are perfectly entitled to interrogate it and find it wanting. I personally find it wanting. I would also like to say, that as a gay person I am terrified by massive Muslim immigration, because the homophobia in the Islamic community, in the Ummah, is not restricted to terrorists. It is not restricted to ISIS. As many as 51 percent of British Muslims believe that gay sex should be against the law. This is not Muslims in Syria, this is not Muslims in Raqqa - this is Muslims who live three streets away from me. Every other one of them believes that my lifestyle should be illegal. 39 percent of British Muslims believe that a woman should always obey her husband. Where are feminists on that? 25 percent of British Muslims believe that Sharia Law should be instituted, which under certain circumstances treats a woman's testimony as worth half of a man's. (...) I'm not scared by terrorists, I'm scared by Islam. (...)"
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Now, go get the numbers and let's compare these percentages for Poland. 40% does not tolerate homosexuality at all, 60% against same sex marriage, 87% against same sex adoption. I'm sure 50% of population wouldn't mind Catholic church running the country as judicial and political entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Poland
But don't "despair" Russia is much worse at 75% not accepting homosexuality! I'm sure they still believe that the "infection" came from the rotten West.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

Generally speaking we see the trend. The poorer and more religious the country the more conservative and intolerant. Conversely, the more prosperous and less religious the more tolerant. Simple facts. Grade 3 understanding level.


Don't worry everyone, Eastern Europe will save Western Europe from intolerant Muslims, lol.
 
bicicleur said:
ok , I think it is stupid that the Brittish want to expell all those Poles who are doing a good job in England
that does not mean we should let in all those people who paid a ticket to human trafickers and who have a very unrealistic view on life in Europe
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What a refreshing change I can see in you. I remember you having difficulty admitting, a year ago, that there are any "good" immigrants in Belgium at all. Or maybe it is only good for UK, but always bad for Belgium?
 
LeBrok said:
What a refreshing change I can see in you. I remember you having difficulty admitting, a year ago, that there are any "good" immigrants in Belgium at all. Or maybe it is only good for UK, but always bad for Belgium?
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I'm allways in for immigration of people with the right attitude and skills.
I'm against uncontrolled immigration.
 
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