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Possibly CHG was original Beloch group, separated and secluded in Caucasus mountains for 10k years. Genome drifted away and developed CHG admixture there. Likely, it is fairly young admixture not existing in Kostenki yet. Both CHG and Iranian Farmer are composed of Caucasian and Beloch just in different proportions. If CHG was from far away they would also plot fare away from Iranian Neolithic, even if they had partially mixed with locals.
 
Wow, just WOW! Anatolian/European Farmers were genetically so far away from CHG/Neolithic Iran, while they (Anatolian Farmers) were close to Neolithic Levant.

After the agriculture revolution, the Iranians + CHG folks totally replaced the Anatolian Farmers in Anatolia/Asia Minor. This proces occurred during the Copper (Chalcolithic) Age. Copper Age (Chalcolithic) Anatolians were already slightly moving toward Caucasians/Iranians.

Also, Anatolian Farmers influenced Neolithic Iranian a little bit, that's why Copper Age (Chalcolithic) Iranians are just a little bit shifted toward south.

Later those Copper Age (Chalcolithic) Iranians got some minor Bronze Age Steppe ancestry, so they shifted a little bit toward west toward Middle Bronze Age Steppe. So there was a some kind of minor back migration from the Steppes into West Asia again AFTER the Bronze Age. And we have archeological evidence for that and we know that some Northwestern (European) Scythians migrated into and settled down in Kurdistan & Iran
 

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LeBrok said:
Possibly CHG was original Beloch group, separated and secluded in Caucasus mountains for 10k years. Genome drifted away and developed CHG admixture there. Likely, it is fairly young admixture not existing in Kostenki yet. Both CHG and Iranian Farmer are composed of Caucasian and Beloch just in different proportions. If CHG was from far away they would also plot fare away from Iranian Neolithic, even if they had partially mixed with locals.
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Yeah, I do also believe that at one point CHG and Neolithic Iranian belonged to the same group. But it seems that when CHG broke away from Neo_Iran and settled down in the Caucasus Mountains it received some minor gene flow from EHG, thousands and thousands of years ago. That's why CHG is just a little bit more shifted toward ancient EHG.

My guess is

CHG = 97-98 % 'Neolithic Iranian' + 2-3 % EHG

or

'Neolithic Iranian' = 97-98 % CHG + 2-3 % ??? (something unknown)
 
Goga said:
Wow, just WOW! Anatolian/European Farmers were genetically so far away from CHG/Neolithic Iran, while they (Anatolian Farmers) were close to Neolithic Levant.

After the agriculture revolution, the Iranians + CHG folks totally replaced the Anatolian Farmers in Anatolia/Asia Minor. This proces occurred during the Copper (Chalcolithic) Age. Copper Age (Chalcolithic) Anatolians were already slightly moving toward Caucasians/Iranians.
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Now we are getting somewhere!

This is for me the ULTIMATE evidence that during the copper age Anatolia & Mesopotamia was replaced by the same people who invaded Yamnaya. Iranians (Aryans) from Leyla Tepe moved toward Yamnaya and Anatolia/Mesopotamia simultaneously !!!

I don't why, but Anatolian farmers were the weakest link and got replaced by the CHG/Neo_Iran folks during the Copper Age. It was the time of and correspondents well with the Sumerians of the Ubaid (and later Uruk) period.


According Carleton Stevens Coon the Sumerians were 'Iranid' people (belonged to the Iranian/Aryan race) !!!

" It can be shown that Sumerians who lived over five thousand years ago in Mesopotamia are almost identical in skull and face form with living Englishmen, "

" These early Sumerians, like the inhabitants of the Iranian plateau, had already acquired the projecting, aquiline noses so characteristic of the modem Near East. Like the plateau dwellers, these early Sumerians were Afghanian in race. "

https://archive.org/stream/RacesOfE...of Europe, The - Charles Steven Coon_djvu.txt

 
Results for Iron age Sycthian.


[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.53[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]24.12[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]8.80[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]40.81[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.38[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]6.27[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.00[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.32[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]American[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.43[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.00[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]9.35[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]San[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]E-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.32[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]W-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.64[/TD]

+@
+@
+@

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]68.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]31.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]brahui (hgdp)[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.69[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]balochi (hgdp)[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.06[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]makrani (hgdp)[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.07[/TD]


[FONT=&quot]1 brahui + chuvash + mordovian + mordovian @ 6.364490[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 brahui + lithuanian + lithuanian + uzbek @ 6.455594[/FONT]
 
Fire Haired14 said:
Results for Iron age Sycthian.


[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.53[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]24.12[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]8.80[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]40.81[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.38[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]6.27[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.00[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.32[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]American[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.43[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.00[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]9.35[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]San[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]E-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.32[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]W-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.64[/TD]

mordovian (yunusbayev)+brahui (hgdp)@
mordovian (yunusbayev)+balochi (hgdp)@
+@

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]68.2%[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]31.8%[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]5.69[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]67.3%[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]32.7%[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.06[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]makrani (hgdp)[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.07[/TD]


1 brahui + chuvash + mordovian + mordovian @ 6.364490
2 brahui + lithuanian + lithuanian + uzbek @ 6.455594
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Thanks!

As you can see Scythians were heavily mixed people. Native people in the Steppes (North Central Asia) were linguistically Iranized by proto-East Iranian BMAC folks. Scythians were also mixed with East Asian people.

Later those East Iranian speaking Scythians of Central Asia moved West toward Ukraine. Some of them back migrated toward and settled down in the land of the Medes (Media in Kurdistan/Western Iran/Iranian Plateau).


It were the Scythians who brought some Siberians and East Asian DNA to Kurdistan in the Iron Age. That's why Kurds have some of it.


Kurds and some other Western Iranians have between 10-15 % of that Bronze/Iron Age Scythian's DNA, because Kurds have between 4-7 % NE-Euro component. (4/40 = 10 % & 7/40 = 17,5 %)


PS. Kurds have ~ 75 % ancient Aryan Medo-Persian DNA, ~13 % Scythian, ~7 % Hurrian/Armenian and ~5 % Semitic (Chaldean/Babylonian/Egypt)
 
Goga said:
According Carleton Stevens Coon the Sumerians were 'Iranid' people (belonged to the Iranian/Aryan race) !!!
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Has Iranian or Kurd people still kept some kind of Sumer tradition or customs until now?


Sumer wrestling
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Altai wrestling
national-altaian-wrestling-kuresh-altai-republic-russia-A9X688.jpg


korean wrestling
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Fire Haired14 said:
Results for Iron age Sycthian.


[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.53[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]24.12[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]8.80[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]40.81[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.38[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]6.27[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.00[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.32[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]American[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.43[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.00[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]9.35[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]San[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]E-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.32[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]W-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.64[/TD]

+@
+@
+@

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]68.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]31.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]brahui (hgdp)[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.69[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]balochi (hgdp)[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.06[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]makrani (hgdp)[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.07[/TD]


1 brahui + chuvash + mordovian + mordovian @ 6.364490
2 brahui + lithuanian + lithuanian + uzbek @ 6.455594
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This Scythian sort of resembles Andronovo sample, but with more Caucasian and way more Siberian-Beringian admixtures. Is he turning Mongolian?

[TABLE="width: 144"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Andronovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0.54[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]21.23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]2.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]56.39[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]1.93[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]1.05[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]1.22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]14.37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]0.06[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.81[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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Goga said:
Yeah, I do also believe that at one point CHG and Neolithic Iranian belonged to the same group. But it seems that when CHG broke away from Neo_Iran and settled down in the Caucasus Mountains it received some minor gene flow from EHG, thousands and thousands of years ago. That's why CHG is just a little bit more shifted toward ancient EHG.

My guess is

CHG = 97-98 % 'Neolithic Iranian' + 2-3 % EHG

or

'Neolithic Iranian' = 97-98 % CHG + 2-3 % ??? (something unknown)
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What you should explain is why the Baloch component decreases from Neolithic to Copper Age and from Copper Age to Iron Age? (according to HarappaWorld calculator)
Why the Caucasian component increases significantly from Neolithic to Copper Age. Is it a back migration?
And then it's the Mediterranean + NE Euro + SW Asian admixture after the Copper Age.
 
A. Papadimitriou said:
What you should explain is why the Baloch component decreases from Neolithic to Copper Age and from Copper Age to Iron Age? (according to HarappaWorld calculator)
Why the Caucasian component increases significantly from Neolithic to Copper Age. Is it a back migration?
And then it's the Mediterranean + NE Euro + SW Asian admixture after the Copper Age.
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Honestly, I don't know for sure what happened between late Neolithic and Copper Age. Caucasian and Neolithic_Iranian admixture are almost the same. So, maybe calculators have some trouble to separate both admixtures.

I think between late Neolithic and Copper Age Neolithic_Iranian mixed a little bit with the Anatolian Farmers. That's why we see at the map that they shift a little it toward south. But as you can see Caucasians and Iranians didn't shift that much from Neolithic_Iranians and CHG.


Mediterranean + some SW_Asian admixture could be native to Anatolia. Anatolian farmers had most of Mediterranean admixture, that's why we have also very high Mediterranean admixture in the Neolithic European farmers.

Neolithic Anatolian (European) Farmers = Mediterranean + some SW_Asian + ? Caucasian ???


After the Copper Age the SW_Asian admixture didn't increase that much and stayed almost the same.


I already explained why we see NE_Euro in Kurdistan/Western Iran.
 
johen said:
Has Iranian or Kurd people still kept some kind of Sumer tradition or customs until now?
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Native Kurdish religion (Yezidism) resembles many things with the Sumerian mythology.

Like ancient Kurds & the modern day Ezdi Kurd (Yezidi), Sumerians were the SUN worshippers and they believed in 7 angels (Annunaki)


Sumerians Birdlike God (Annunaki):

sumeranu14_09.jpg





Ezdi Kurds portrait the GOD also as a SUN adn have 7 archangels with Tausî Melek as a chiefangel. We do also believe in the creation of cosmos from the cosmic egg (the big bang theory).


melek_taus.jpg




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[/SUB]
Ezdi sanjak




Sumerian 'TREE of LIFE' with the WINGED DISK:



http://treeoflifemeaning22.blogspot.nl/p/mesopotamian-tree-of-life.html


About the Sumerian 'TREE of LIFE':

" There are several later paintings and drawings of the Tree of Life, but this Sumerian Clay tablet (however crude it might appear) is one of the earliest, if not the first. It is among the original Sumerian Cylinders and clay tablets excavated circa 2, 500 BCE.

image001.jpg



The clay tablet is prepared by rolling the carved metal seal on wet clay, which is then baked. Once baked the tablet cannot be altered. The original Sumerian (Indo-Iranian) concept was that wisdom is likened to a tree whose fruit endows those who eat it with health and longevity. The symbol of an elixir of life had already been well established in antiquity by the Indo-Iranian cultures long before Judaism, Christianity, Islam and other cultures had the opportunity to recognise it. This 4,500 year old clay tablet shows a man and a woman seated below the Tree of Life. Behind the woman is seen a serpent allegedly ‘tempting’ the woman.

This concept was expurgated in the Bible as the tree of life in the Garden of Eden by the Jews and Christians. The Book of Genesis 3.22 mentions such a tree as 'the giver of eternal life.' "

http://www.zoroastrian.org.uk/vohuman/Article/The Sumerian Tree of Life.htm



Prominence of the Irano-Afghan Race in Mesopotamia since Sumerian Times. The Iranic or Irano-Afghan race has dominated the plains of Mesopotamia since Sumerian times, as the learned American anthropologist Prof. C. S. Coon notes,

"The Irano-Afghan race, prominent since Sumerian times in Mesopotamia, is the chief population element in the entire highland territory from the western border of Iran to northern India." (Coon 1939, "The Mediterranean World: (4) - The Irano-Afghan Race", p.415)

http://iranian.com/History/2005/March/Gutians/
 
[TABLE="width: 926"]
[TR]
[TD]CHG, Satsurblia[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Armenian Chalcolithic[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Samara HG[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Poltavka, mid Yamnaya[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0.62[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]36.63[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]17.64[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]14.33[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]30.06[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]54.15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]41.35[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]7.57[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]3.84[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]20.25[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]75.62[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]59.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]0.59[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.77[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]0.55[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]9.62[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]2.21[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]0.15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]11.12[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]8.81[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]0.25[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]3.01[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="width: 438"]
[TR]
[TD]Anatolian EF[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Anatolian Chalcolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]9.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]37.64[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]48.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]0.86[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]6.45[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]47.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]26.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]14.00[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]9.27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.13[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Looks to me that by Chalcolithic there was a massive invasion of Steppe/Yamnaya people into Armenia. It pulled amount of Baloch and Caucasian down and substantially increased NE Euro. I would say 20 to 30% of new population. "Armenians" were also affected by another 20% of population influx from Anatolia EF, this transferred 20% of Mediterranean and SW Asian admixtures. However in Chalcolithic the trend reverses and we can see huge effect of Armenian Chalcolithic on Anatolian Chalcolithic.

I'm surprised however of low level of Caucasian admixture into Yamnaya. Seems that with Iranian Farmer movement into the Steppe, mostly Baloch admixture was transferred. Looking at NE ratio dropping from Samara (EHG) to Poltavka (Yamnaya), that's like taking roughly 25% of Iranian Farmer genes.


[TABLE="width: 418"]
[TR]
[TD]Poltavka, mid Yamnaya[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Iranian Neolithic 10,000 years[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]6.13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]30.06[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]62.71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]7.57[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]24.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]59.14[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.99[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.35[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]2.21[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]3.88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]0.18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]- [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]1.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
LeBrok said:
[TABLE="width: 438"]
[TR]
[TD]Anatolian EF[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Anatolian Chalcolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]9.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]37.64[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]48.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]0.86[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]6.45[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]47.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]26.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]14.00[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]9.27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.13[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Without Caucausian increases during the Chalcolithic, all other changes are in same direction :grin:
 
LeBrok said:
[TABLE="width: 926"]
[TR]
[TD]CHG, Satsurblia[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Armenian Chalcolithic[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Samara HG[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Poltavka, mid Yamnaya[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0.62[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]36.63[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]17.64[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]14.33[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]30.06[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]54.15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]41.35[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]7.57[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]3.84[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]20.25[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]75.62[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]59.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]0.59[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.77[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]0.55[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]9.62[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]2.21[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]0.15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]11.12[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]8.81[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]0.25[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]3.01[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="width: 438"]
[TR]
[TD]Anatolian EF[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Anatolian Chalcolithic[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]9.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]37.64[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]48.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]0.86[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]6.45[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]47.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]26.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]14.00[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]9.27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.13[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Looks to me that by Chalcolithic there was a massive invasion of Steppe/Yamnaya people into Armenia. It pulled amount of Baloch and Caucasian down and substantially increased NE Euro. I would say 20 to 30% of new population. "Armenians" were also affected by another 20% of population influx from Anatolia EF, this transferred 20% of Mediterranean and SW Asian admixtures. However in Chalcolithic the trend reverses and we can see huge effect of Armenian Chalcolithic on Anatolian Chalcolithic.

I'm surprised however of low level of Caucasian admixture into Yamnaya. Seems that with Iranian Farmer movement into the Steppe, mostly Baloch admixture was transferred. Looking at NE ratio dropping from Samara (EHG) to Poltavka (Yamnaya), that's like taking roughly 25% of Iranian Farmer genes.


[TABLE="width: 418"]
[TR]
[TD]Poltavka, mid Yamnaya[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Iranian Neolithic 10,000 years[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]6.13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]30.06[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]62.71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]7.57[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]24.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]59.14[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.99[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.35[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]2.21[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]3.88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]0.18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]1.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Whatever "Caucasian" represents in this calculator, the Satsurblia number indicates it was present from very early times in the Caucasus. It's also clear that while it increased in Anatolia in the Chalcolithic, it was already present in the Anatolia EF; 37.64 is a significant number. For all the data shows that Iran Neolithic and Anatolia EF were distinct populations, they shared substantial percentages of the same component. (Caucasian)

There's an interesting comparison between Satsurblia and Iran Neolithic as well for "Caucasian":
Satsurblia: 54.15
Iran Neolithic: 24.97

Then we can look at the two Anatolia samples:
Anatolia EF: 37.64
Anatolia Chalcolithic: 48.14

Is it that the "Caucasian" was first in the area of the Iran Neolithic and then "Baloch" type ancestry entered from the southeast?

Do we have an Armenian Neolithic sample? I'd wait to draw any larger conclusions until we see those numbers.
 
Gedmatch calculators seem to be rather good for ancients as well (not only for modern people).

Here is a PCA of ancient samples based on their admixture results in Eurogenes K15 calculator:

http://s16.postimg.org/d5v0tx1et/PCA_described.png

PCA_described.png


If we project also some of modern Europeans onto this PCA, I believe they will plot in this area:

http://s9.postimg.org/rkmjd7cr3/Europeans.png

Europeans.png


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Data used for creating that PCA: https://s9.postimg.org/h9vj9gi9p/K15_Ancients.png

Perhaps a PCA based on HarappaWorld results would be very similar.
 
LeBrok said:
Looks to me that by Chalcolithic there was a massive invasion of Steppe/Yamnaya people into Armenia. It pulled amount of Baloch and Caucasian down and substantially increased NE Euro. I would say 20 to 30% of new population. "Armenians" were also affected by another 20% of population influx from Anatolia EF, this transferred 20% of Mediterranean and SW Asian admixtures. However in Chalcolithic the trend reverses and we can see huge effect of Armenian Chalcolithic on Anatolian Chalcolithic.
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Wow, There was even a difference between Iranian Chalcolithic and Armenian Chalcolithic ! Copper Age Armenians and Copper Age Iranian were 2 (two) different populations


[TABLE="width: 482"]
[TR]
[TD]Admixture [/TD]
[TD]Neolithic Iran[/TD]
[TD]Iran Chalcolothic/CopperAge [/TD]
[TD]Armenian Chalcolithic/CopperAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]24.97[/TD]
[TD]49.91[/TD]
[TD]41.35[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]62.71[/TD]
[TD]37,82[/TD]
[TD]17.64[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]3.88[/TD]
[TD]10.88[/TD]
[TD]8.81[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]20.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]11.12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]6.13[/TD]
[TD]1.05[/TD]
[TD]0.27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]1.78[/TD]
[TD]0.33[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.35[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]0.55[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]0.18[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


It seems that Iron Age Iranians (Medes/Persians) got some of their NE_Euro admixture from Copper/Bronze Age Armenians and maybe NOT everything from the Scythians.
 
Eureka!! Now the picture is getting more clear to me about what happened in Anatolia/Armenia and Western Iran.


About Armenian/Anatolia

First we have got the Anatolian Farmers in Anatolia/Armenia. Those neolithic farmers were the same who migrated into Europe. Later those farmers were hugely replaced by Yamnaya-kind of people (those Yamnaya folks were already mixed with Iranians). Those Yamnaya folks brought some NE-Euro and Baloch admixture into Armenia. On the third stage Armenia/Anatolia experienced a 3rd migration wave from Iran. And therefore they got some extra Baloch ancestry.


So ancient Armenia/Anatolia:

1st stage: Anatolian Farmers
2nd stage: Anatolian Farmers + Iranians
3rd stage: Anatolian Farmers + Iranians + Yamnaya-type people


About Western Iran/Kurdistan/Media/Persia

Copper Age WESTERN Iranians mixed with those 3rd stage Armenians to some degree and that was the point when also those Iranians received a minor geneflow from those Armenians who contributed some Mediterranean & NE_Europe admixture to the western part of the Iranian Plateau. This was my first prediction before I saw Armenian Chalcolithic auDNA:


Iron Age Western Iranian - modern Kurds:

~ 75 % ancient Aryan Medo-Persian
~13 % Scythian
~7 % Hurrian-Armenian
~5 % Semitic (Chaldean/Babylonian/Egypt)


This is my new prediction on Iron Age Western Iranian to modern Kurdish DNA.

~ 75 % ancient Medo-Persian Aryan
~ 15 % Hurro-Armenian
~ 5 % Scythian (brought some Siberian and other East Asian admixtres to West Asia)
~ 5 % Semitic (Chaldean/Babylonian/Egyptian)
 
This is from Kura-Araxes, kit number M536324, labeled ArmeniaEBA

[TABLE="class: adna"]
[TR]
[TD]Kura-Araxes[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[TD]Talin [I1658 / TA3/R8][/TD]
[TD]Female[/TD]
[TD]3347-3092 calBCE (4492±29 BP)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]U3a2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Lazaridis 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.27[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]25.53[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]56.75[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]4.79[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]American[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]5.88[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]6.45[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]San[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]E-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]W-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.33[/TD]


Geographical position: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talin,_Armenia

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Armenia Chalcolithic was the following
[TABLE="class: adna"]
[TR]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[TD]Areni-1 (Bird's Eye Cave) [I1631/ARE 1/43C][/TD]
[TD]Female[/TD]
[TD]4250-4050 BCE[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]K1a8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Lazaridis 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.27[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]17.64[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]41.35[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]20.25[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]American[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.55[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]11.12[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]8.81[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]San[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]E-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]W-African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]
Geographical position: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areni-1_cave_complex

So, Kura-Araxes had one sample with R1b1-M415 but this particular sample (which is female, like 'Armenia Chalcolithic') at least doesn't have significant NE Euro.

ArmeniaMLBA has though.

I used Gedmatch for the first time. If anything is wrong, please inform me.
 
Armenia Chalcolithic was the following
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A lot of European admixture. One of Armenian Chalcolithic samples also had a European mtDNA haplo U4a:

U4a_Armenia.png


Here are characteristic Mesolithic European mtDNA haplos: U8a, U8c, U5b, U5a (U5a1 + U5a2), U4 and U2.

U5a1, U4, U2e, U5b2a1a1 were most common in Eastern Europe. U5b, U5a2, U8a, U8c were more Western.

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Bronze Age Steppe had a mixture of Eastern European Mesolithic and other mtDNA haplos.

From Eastern European hunters they had mostly: U5a1, U4, U2e, U2d2 and U5b2a1a1.

They also had (most certainly from other groups) for example the following mtDNA:

K1b, T1a, T2a1, T2c1, H6a1, H5, H2, H13, J1b, J2b1, I3, W6, W3a1a, X2b, N1a1, R1, C4a3
 
Yamnaya/Afanasievo/Poltavka/Catacomb samples:

Gedmatch kit / culture and sample:

M828815Yamnaya-RISE552
M655536Yamnaya-I0231
M343758Yamnaya-I0443
F999968Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942Afanasievo-RISE509
M828784Afanasievo-RISE511
M766878Poltavka-I0440
F999946Catacomb-RISE552

If you check them with HarappaWorld:

Proportion of NE_Euro to Mediterranean admixture is about 2:1 for all these samples.

So if Armenian Chalcolithic scores 20 NE_Euro + 10 Med, it could all be from Yamnaya.

And Amerindian suggests some ANE (which could also be from Yamnaya).
 
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