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[Boreas]

I guess, I have to learn how to do tables

 

[Angela]

Boreas, given that half your ancestry is from Bulgaria, is there any possibility that there was some intermarriage while your ancestors were there? That could possibly explain it, yes?

 

[Milan.M]

Boreas, given that half your ancestry is from Bulgaria, is there any possibility that there was some intermarriage while your ancestors were there? That could possibly explain it, yes?

In most cases there was just changing religion and automaticaly becoming "Turks" or Ottomans.Even today people that are Muslims but speaking Slavic languages consider themselves Turks in regions of Bulgaria,Macedonia etc,most of them don't know a word in Turkish unless they learn it in school,even prior dissolution of ottoman empire(I guess Boreas ancestors immigrated in that period of time) they learned it uppon imigrating into Turkey.Religion=ethnicity in the old system.I wonder what is with Boreas family,whether they were Turks or islamized locals?

 

[LeBrok]

Everybody says Turks are mixed people but that guy from Istanbul is more pure then rest of Italian except Sardinians

What do you mean?

I could easily understand, if in the all Italian's results first 5-10 population groups were again from Italia and after that Askhenazy Jews samples were as number 11-13 in South Italians results and Spanish-French samples were at 12-15 in North Italian results.

Check my post 232.

 

[Sakattack]

Samples from Greece are interesting. It is possible that all Greece was like Cyprus before IE Greeks invasion. We just need to subtract 6 points of NE Euro.
Greek east islands are not too much different, they just have more NE Euro, which dilutes other components. This must be close to state of Greek population before Slavic invasion.
Greek mainland, original occupants of mid Bronze Age + IE Greeks + Slavs.

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 941"]
[TR]
[TD]Europeans[/TD]
[TD]# of samples[/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Greek, mainland[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Greek, Islands, East[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cyprus[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


I would guess that IE Greeks invaders were something like Bronze Age Hungarian. Roughly we would need 1 IE invader to 3-4 locals to make Cypriots look like Greek islanders.

[TABLE="width: 158"]
[TR]
[TD]BR1 Hungary[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]3.15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]14.73[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]46.18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]0.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]31.73[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]3.33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.48[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Good call. I've seen some formal stats for Italians that show the best "mixing" population is indeed Bronze Age Hungarian. (If I mis-remembered that, Fire-Haired can correct it.)

Fwiw, Copper Age Otzi had the same amount of SWAsian as modern Tuscans (about 9-10%, I think). Now, obviously there were genetic changes after that, but it's unlikely, in my opinion, that it was totally wiped out and then totally replaced.

The thing about Egyptians, which, if my memory serves, was often said about Crete, has been proved incorrect by ancient dna.

This is the population that first hit Crete, perhaps a population that originated in southern Anatolia. Ancient dna should tell us more.

Greek Islanders as always are the most similar of South Italians and Sicilians, but with some differences: we score 6 point less of Caucasian, 3/4 point more of North East European and 1/2 point less of SW Asian. I really like to see Asia Minor Greeks, Egyptian Greeks and Antiochian Greeks' results, they mostly live in mainland Greece nowadays afaik.
Regarding the slight differences of South Italians and Sicilians on average, it has to do with the samples selected and the calculator, the Italian website Ethnopedia use Eutest and the slight difference is 1 point more of Middle East for Sicilians and one point more of East Med for South Italians on average, and 0.5/0.7 point of more African for Sicilians.

Hi all!

I thought that maybe my results would be somehow useful, since I am 100% Cappadocian Greek. I would agree with Lebrok, that maybe the Greek DNA before the IE and the Slavic migration (and the Arvanite during the middle ages I would add) would be kind of similar with the Cypriots' DNA. Cretans are not to so far either, and I would add them to the discussion too.

The bad thing with this Harappa calculator is that does not include Greek samples. Even though that I have some distance, my closest matches on other calcs (MDLP has relevant many samples) are the Cretans, the Cypriots and the islanders (and of course the other Asia Minor Greeks). For example:

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Cretan ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.93[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek_Smyrna ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.99[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Cypriot ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.49[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Azov_Greek ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.15[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Syrian_Jew ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.03[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek_Islands ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.41[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek_Macedonia ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.43[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Greek_Athens ( )[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.11[/TD]

So, in harappa, my results are the following:

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.11[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]11.30[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]46.20[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]8.85[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.61[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.16[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]American[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.23[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]19.89[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]12.64[/TD]

Having in mind that my genetic make up lacks slavobalkan admixture and probably is to lower degree exposed to the IE, I think that the Pre/ProtoGreeks were kind of similar to me. Most likely Anatolia, Greek peninsula, Crete, Islands Cyprus and maybe Northern Levant were inhabited by populations with the same genetic characteristics.

 

[Boreas]

Boreas, given that half your ancestry is from Bulgaria, is there any possibility that there was some intermarriage while your ancestors were there? That could possibly explain it, yes?

Unfortunately, I have no information about it but, that would explain my blond haired-blue eyed grandmother.

Maybe a bulgarian girl got into family, maybe they took orpham bulgarian boy or islamisation and Turkification, no idea:sad-2:

I have no idea how close them but this is y-25 marker results

In most cases there was just changing religion and automaticaly becoming "Turks" or Ottomans.Even today people that are Muslims but speaking Slavic languages consider themselves Turks in regions of Bulgaria,Macedonia etc,most of them don't know a word in Turkish unless they learn it in school,even prior dissolution of ottoman empire(I guess Boreas ancestors immigrated in that period of time) they learned it uppon imigrating into Turkey.Religion=ethnicity in the old system.I wonder what is with Boreas family,whether they were Turks or islamized locals?

They came just before end of the WW2 or just after the war, but they are from Turk villages in Central Bulgaria / near Kazanlak. But not mucth Turk left in Central Bulgaria.

What do you mean?

I mean Turk-İstanbul sample high Caucausian rate but none of Italian has that much high results in any group(expect Sardinian Med rate)

Hi all!


I thought that maybe my results would be somehow useful, since I am 100% Cappadocian Greek.

Nice results, just like a puzzle you are fitting in Anatolian Greek structure.

ΜΑΣΑΛΛΑΧ :grin:

 

[Northener]

Yep, not bad at all. You just have a tiny bit more EEF in you, which gives more Med and Caucasian and less NE Euro (EHG).

There are lies and statistics hahahah

According to this no Unetice at all!

David from Eurogenes/Gedmatch:

Based on the Global 10 datasheet, which has more Nordic LN samples than the K7 sheet, this is how you come out:

Nordic_LN 64.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany 35.8
Corded_Ware_Germany 0.0
Unetice_EBA 0.0


Any thoughts about this LeBrok?

 

[LeBrok]

Hi all!

I thought that maybe my results would be somehow useful, since I am 100% Cappadocian Greek. I would agree with Lebrok, that maybe the Greek DNA before the IE and the Slavic migration (and the Arvanite during the middle ages I would add) would be kind of similar with the Cypriots' DNA. Cretans are not to so far either, and I would add them to the discussion too.

The bad thing with this Harappa calculator is that does not include Greek samples. Even though that I have some distance, my closest matches on other calcs (MDLP has relevant many samples) are the Cretans, the Cypriots and the islanders (and of course the other Asia Minor Greeks). For example:



So, in harappa, my results are the following:



Having in mind that my genetic make up lacks slavobalkan admixture and probably is to lower degree exposed to the IE, I think that the Pre/ProtoGreeks were kind of similar to me. Most likely Anatolia, Greek peninsula, Crete, Islands Cyprus and maybe Northern Levant were inhabited by populations with the same genetic characteristics.

That's amazing, thanks for sharing! You are like Cypriot, the suspected proxy for Early/Mid Bronze Age population of Greece and Anatolia, just with less SW Asian. Additional SW Asian could have been brought to Cyprus by Phoenicians, or more from original inhabitants, first farmers of Cyprus.
I'm expecting to see in Copper/Early/Mid Bronze age, replacement or very heavily mixed of population of Anatolia and Greece, with newcomers from East Anatolia/Armenia/and some Steppe mix. This could have been carried farther to Italy and Sicily by Greeks, and Cretans and other islanders before them.
Other explanation for your extreme likeness to Cypriots is that your ancestors Greeks emigrated to Central Anatolia not long ago and didn't mix much with local population. Some population movement within Turkish Empire, forced resettlement?

 

[LeBrok]

That's amazing, thanks for sharing! You are like Cypriot, the suspecting proxy for Early/Mid Bronze Age population of Greece and Anatolia, just with less SW Asian. Additional SW Asian could have been brought to Cyprus by Phoenicians, or more from original inhabitants, first farmers of Cyprus.
I'm expecting to see in Copper/Early/Mid Bronze age, replacement or very heavily mixed of population of Anatolia and Greece, with newcomers from East Anatolia/Armenia/and some Steppe mix. This could have been carried farther to Italy and Sicily by Greeks, and Cretans and other islanders before them.
Other explanation for your extreme likeness to Cypriots is that your ancestors Greeks emigrated to Central Anatolia not long ago and didn't mix much with local population. Some population movement within Turkish Empire, forced resettlement?

I've compiled changes in Anatolia, from EN to today. First two samples are from EN one from West Turkey and one from Central South. They are very close to European EEF, EEF has a bit more WHG in them. There is one Chalcolithic, showing influence of Caucasus and Steppe during Late Neolithic. Forth is from our member Sakatack, very likely like Greek Cappadocia (central Turkey). Chalcolithic Anatolia and Sakattack (Cappadocia) is very close to today's Cyprus genome. (in previous posts).

[TABLE="width: 697"]
[TR]
[TD]M897077[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]M830273 Tep003[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]M091434 I1584[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Anatolian EF[/TD]
[TD]Barcin[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Anatolia Early Neolithic [7174 BC][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Anatolian Chalcolithic[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Sakattack[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Population[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.14[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]37.64[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]48.07[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48.14[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]0.86[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]3.95[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.45[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.85[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.16[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.61[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]47.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]34.67[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26.7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19.89[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD] 14.00[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]13.19[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.64[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0.13[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Here are samples from modern Turkey.

[TABLE="width: 941"]
[TR]
[TD]Turkey[/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD]turk[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15.71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46.74[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.33[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.66[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.36[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.29[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.52[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.67[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.83[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.72[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.07[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.04[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.07[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD]turk-aydin[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.86[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.66[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38.15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.31[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.35[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.04[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.98[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.46[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.48[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.68[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.63[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.64[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.09[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.02[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD]turk-istanbul[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.13[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15.51[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.68[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.53[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.04[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.09[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.38[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.66[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.72[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.01[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD]turk-kayseri[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.82[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15.41[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.47[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.48[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.69[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.41[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.34[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.79[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.13[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.48[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.03[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.02[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.03[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

They are all much lower in Med and showing more Steppe/Siberian input of Baloch, Siberian, NE Asian, and other NE/Central asian admixtures. I think, this is the change of last 2,000 years, especially since Turkic invasion of Anatolia. My guess is that they gave 10-15% new genetic input in Anatolia.

 

[Sakattack]

That's amazing, thanks for sharing! You are like Cypriot, the suspecting proxy for Early/Mid Bronze Age population of Greece and Anatolia, just with less SW Asian. Additional SW Asian could have been brought to Cyprus by Phoenicians, or more from original inhabitants, first farmers of Cyprus.
I'm expecting to see in Copper/Early/Mid Bronze age, replacement or very heavily mixed of population of Anatolia and Greece, with newcomers from East Anatolia/Armenia/and some Steppe mix. This could have been carried farther to Italy and Sicily by Greeks, and Cretans and other islanders before them.
Other explanation for your extreme likeness to Cypriots is that your ancestors Greeks emigrated to Central Anatolia not long ago and didn't mix much with local population. Some population movement within Turkish Empire, forced resettlement?

I am glad you found my results interesting!

As for the bold, I am unaware for any movement of my ancestors quite recently. Although, this maaaay be the case a bit further back in time, since there are rumors that the small town from which all of 4 grandparents come, was founded a) from Cretans (there is a much older settlement in Crete with the same name) b) from islanders from Naxos c) from migrants from Istanbul. It is for sure, though, that the town exists from around 1600 (and maybe earlier with other name) in Cappadocia.

Your interpretation in total sounds like a good call.

 

[LeBrok]

There are lies and statistics hahahah

According to this no Unetice at all!

David from Eurogenes/Gedmatch:

Based on the Global 10 datasheet, which has more Nordic LN samples than the K7 sheet, this is how you come out:

Nordic_LN 64.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany 35.8
Corded_Ware_Germany 0.0
Unetice_EBA 0.0


Any thoughts about this LeBrok?

I don't like this Global 10. How can one be sure that EEF farmer part or WHG part of our genome is from Nordic LN or Corded Ware or Unetice genome? Especially when they are all contemporaries carrying same or almost same alleles.
Nordic LN Rise 71 is similar to Corded Ware guys.

[TABLE="width: 320"]
[TR]
[TD]Corded Ware, Germany[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Nordic LN, Rise 71[/TD]
[TD]M671253[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]7.51[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]9.29[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]10.55[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]47.75[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]51.89[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.71[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.97[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]0.08[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]31.31[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]27.34[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]3.25[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]0.22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.18[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Northener]

I don't like this Global 10. How can one be sure that EEF farmer part of WHG part of our genome is from Nordic LN or Corded Ware of Unetice genome? Especially when they are all contemporaries carrying same or almost same alleles.
Nordic LN Rise 71 is similar to Corded Ware guys.

[TABLE="width: 320"]
[TR]
[TD]Corded Ware, Germany[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Nordic LN, Rise 71[/TD]
[TD]M671253[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]7.51[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]9.29[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]10.55[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]47.75[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]51.89[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0.71[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0.97[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]0.08[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]31.31[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]27.34[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]3.25[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]0.22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.18[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Correct he stated that these separations aren't easy to make....

 

[Sile]

Give these Northern-Italians a try

Remedello RISE487 (3483-3107 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1 - GEDmatch kit T699825
Remedello RISE489 (2908-2578 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T135721
Remedello RISE486 (2134-1773 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T319214

 

[Sile]

All the remendello samples are similar

[h=2]HarappaWorld Oracle results:[/h]23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Kit T319214

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]52.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.73[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.38[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]W-African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.54[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.16[/TD]

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source)

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.6[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]spaniard (1000genomes)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.98[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]spaniard (behar)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]15.01[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]italian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.26[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]spain-basc (henn2012)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.41[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]basque (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.01[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]tuscan (hapmap)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.73[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]tuscan (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.36[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]tuscan (1000genomes)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.84[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]puerto-rican (1000genomes)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]french (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]26.92[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]morocco-n (henn2012)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.47[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]tunisia (henn2012)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]30.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]puerto-rican (bryc)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ashkenazi (harappa)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]33.1[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]morocco-jew (behar)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]33.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]romanian-a (behar)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]33.52[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]algeria (henn2012)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]33.53[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ashkenazy-jew (behar)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]33.94[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]bulgarian (yunusbayev)[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]34.35[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]85.30%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]14.70%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]finnish (1000genomes)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.15[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]83.30%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]16.70%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]lithuanian (behar)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.73[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]17[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]82.90%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]17.10%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]chuvash (behar)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]7.83[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]82.60%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]17.40%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]russian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.79[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]14[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]82.60%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]17.40%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]russian (behar)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]7.41[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]12[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]82.20%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]17.80%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]mordovian (yunusbayev)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]7.16[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]11[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]81.90%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]18.10%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]belorussian (behar)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]7.05[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]13[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]80.60%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]19.40%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]ukranian (yunusbayev)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]7.27[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]77.50%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]22.50%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]slovenian (xing)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]7.46[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]76.60%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]23.40%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]hungarian (behar)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]7.52[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]5[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]76.40%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]23.60%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]orcadian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.76[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]76%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]24%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]utahn-white (hapmap)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.77[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]75.80%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]24.20%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]n-european (xing)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.7[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]75.10%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]24.90%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]british (1000genomes)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.84[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]75%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]25%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]utahn-white (1000genomes)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.84[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]69%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl68, width: 64"]31%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]french (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]6.93[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]64.20%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]basque (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]35.80%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]morocco-jew (behar)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]9.18[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]62.80%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]37.20%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]spain-basc (henn2012)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]9.03[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]62.60%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]37.40%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]italian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]9.04[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, width: 64"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]50.90%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 142"]sardinian (hgdp)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]+ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]49.10%[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 147"]spaniard (1000genomes)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]@ [/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]5.84[/TD]

 

[Pax Augusta]

All the remendello samples are similar

[h=2]HarappaWorld Oracle results:[/h]23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Kit T319214

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]52.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.73[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.38[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]W-African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.54[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.16[/TD]

No Baloch like the Sardinians but higher NE-Euro component than Sardinians.

 

[Sile]

No Baloch like the Sardinians but higher NE-Euro component than Sardinians.

Harappaworld NE-Euro = from finland to mordovia

The issue is the high SW-Asian , which equals the arabian peninsula and the sinai in harrappaworld

 

[Pax Augusta]

Harappaworld NE-Euro = from finland to mordovia

The issue is the high SW-Asian , which equals the arabian peninsula and the sinai in harrappaworld

SW-Asian most likely arrived from North, Central-East Europe. The other Remedellos samples have much less SW Asian than the one you've posted, around 5-6%, with one of the Remedello sample with 0% of SW Asian.


- Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary NE6

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 56.96
2 Caucasian 25.18
3 SW-Asian 12.29
4 NE-Euro 5.52
5 W-African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sardinian (hgdp) 9.59
2 tuscan (hapmap) 29.04


- Polgár-Ferenci-hát, Hungary NE1

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 45.75
2 Caucasian 28.27
3 SW-Asian 13.45
4 NE-Euro 12.13
5 W-African 0.35
6 Pygmy 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sardinian (hgdp) 16.71
2 tuscan (hapmap) 17.93
3 tuscan (hgdp) 18.19


- Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary NE7

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 56.18
2 Caucasian 19.04
3 NE-Euro 16.69
4 SW-Asian 7.96
5 W-African 0.11
6 San 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sardinian (hgdp) 5.97
2 spaniard (1000genomes) 19.63
3 spaniard (behar) 20.33
4 italian (hgdp) 21.86

- Stuttgart, Germany

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 49.46
2 Caucasian 30.6
3 SW-Asian 12.01
4 NE-Euro 7.82
5 San 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sardinian (hgdp) 15.17
2 tuscan (hapmap) 22.5
3 tuscan (hgdp) 22.77


- Kompolt - Kigyósér, Hungary NE5

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 56.74
2 Caucasian 23.8
3 SW-Asian 9.92
4 NE-Euro 9.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sardinian (hgdp) 6.01
2 italian (hgdp) 26.27
3 spaniard (1000genomes) 26.58
4 tuscan (hapmap) 26.74
5 spaniard (behar) 27.17
6 tuscan (hgdp) 27.23

 

[LeBrok]

Give these Northern-Italians a try

Remedello RISE487 (3483-3107 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1 - GEDmatch kit T699825
Remedello RISE489 (2908-2578 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T135721
Remedello RISE486 (2134-1773 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a - GEDmatch kit T319214

LeBrok, as per some earlier questions...

These are the Remedello samples:
GedMatch Number: T699825, T319214, T135721

I still haven't found the gedmatch number for Otzi.

Can't find Otzi either. Here are the Remedellos:

[TABLE="width: 913"]
[TR]
[TD]T699825[/TD]
[TD] 4.07[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]T135721[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.32[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]T319214[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.66[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Remedello Average[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Remedello RISE487 (3483-3107 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Remedello RISE489 (2908-2578 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 4"]Remedello RISE486 (2134-1773 BC) - Y-DNA I2a1a1a[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]9.8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.56[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.73[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD] 11.03[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD]23.46[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19.3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD] 21.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]0.28[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.54[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD] 0.61[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]65.64[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63.94[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD] 60.61[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.11[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.38[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD] 5.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.09[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.16[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD] 0.08[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]0.8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.95[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD] 0.92[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Pretty good samples except one completely missing SW Asian, which is impossible for EEF. Sample quality issue. At the end I averaged them, to get most likely very good one representative. There is one thousand years temporal spread between oldest and youngest, but I think they represent pretty much same unchanged genome. The differences that they show are more due to incomplete DNA (sample quality) than anything else. Pretty much a solid EEF farmer.
More details in the post below:

 

[LeBrok]

Here are the other European Farmers to compare:
[TABLE="width: 697"]
[TR]
[TD]EN[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]EN[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]MN[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]LN[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]LN[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stuttgart[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]NE1 Hungary[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]NE7 Hungary[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]CO1 Hungary[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]CA Iberia, ATP2, M849224[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Population[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Population[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]30.6[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]28.27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19.04[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19.26[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.82[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.13[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16.69[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16.74[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]24.19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49.46[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.75[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56.18[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55.37[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63.33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.01[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.45[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.96[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.52[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.11[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]E-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.05[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.35[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.11[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.1[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]W-African[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Things to notice:

- Mediterranean admixture increases during Neolithic to 55% in Central Europe to 60% in Italy and Spain. The highest level ever.

- Caucasian admixture is constantly falling during Neolithic to 20% in Central Europe and as little as 5% in Spain and 10% in Italy.

- All NE- Euro in Neolithic samples come from WHG. It steadily increases during Neolithic to 16% in Central Europe and max 24% in Spain. Higher in South than in Center of Europe is surprising and reversed should be expected. I'm looking for an explanation.

- SW Admixture is also dropping during Neolithic and more in south than in Europe center.



Remedello samples look like typical Mid/Late Neolithic EEF, with a bit of Southern flavour of lower Caucasian admixture and higher Med and NE Euro. The youngest Remedello doesn't show slightest signs of Steppe invasion yet.


Edit: I think the gross of changes happen from Early Neolithic to Mid Neolithic and stabilise till invasions of Bronze Age. And changes look like mixing in more WHG genome into farmers. Perhaps it took from Early to Mid Neolithic to "vacuum" all of the free living WHG of South and Central Europe. By Mid Neolithic WHG where all gone and changes in Farmer's genome stopped. I think some of the changes could have been from WHG's alleles of better fitness taking hold in farmers, who needed to adapt to European environment.

 

[Angela]

The northeast Euro here is picking up WHG, not steppe. Remedello clusters with Middle Neolithic people despite the fact that the culture exhibits indicia of "steppe" culture. A level of 19% is perfectly normal for a MN culture. See below:

In PCAs, Remedello clusters with MN cultures like Baalberge.

See also the following from Mathiesen:

What we need to see from ancient dna and not from endless speculating is when the steppe ancestry appears and how high it was...