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[LeBrok]

Afaik my father’s family is English and Scottish, nothing else. His 23andme shows trace Iberian though... having a difficult time IDing anything in my family tree...

His 23andme, for what it’s worth:
European
99.9%
British & Irish
71.7%
United Kingdom
French & German
10.1%
Netherlands
Scandinavian
2.5%
Iberian
0.1%
Broadly Northwestern European
15.0%
Broadly Southern European
0.3%
Broadly European
0.3%
East Asian & Native American
0.1%
Southeast Asian
0.1%

So, who knows?

His mediterranean admixture is much higher than typical Brit. There is definitive South European connection.

 

[Mark]

Interesting, I’d wonder which way I came by that... direct male ancestry seemingly came out of nowhere 5 generations back @ 1800 N. Carolina. Somebody had suggested to me he may have been a privateer who changed his identity. Perhaps the Spaniard admixture is a clue. On ancestry.com DNA tests I show mostly “Europe West”:



The mixed mode on my mother is what I find most interesting:

1 92%n-european (xing)+8%urkarah (xing)@1.46

 

[LeBrok]

Interesting, I’d wonder which way I came by that... direct male ancestry seemingly came out of nowhere 5 generations back @ 1800 N. Carolina. Somebody had suggested to me he may have been a privateer who changed his identity. Perhaps the Spaniard admixture is a clue. On ancestry.com DNA tests I show mostly “Europe West”:

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The mixed mode on my mother is what I find most interesting:

1 92%n-european (xing)+8%urkarah (xing)@1.46

To me she looks rather English with bit of North Germanic. Tiny amount of American and Siberian admixture is typical for North Europeans, or perhaps in her case might be a tiny signal of Native American ancestry, like 1%. Hard to say.

 

[Mark]

This is why I don’t put much trust in these models, whereas my parents had each “trace” American and San I magically dropped them completely and picked up Pygmy, W-African, and Beringian out of nowhere, seemingly. What I see is somewhat necessary overselection based upon tiny bits of autosomal patterns. One pattern that looks like something seen in San and Papuan samples respectively in my father instead look like Beringian and Pygmy in me when placed next to what was seen as Siberian, Med or Baloch in my mother.

 

[Ygorcs]

Hi, I don't know if this is the appropriate venue for that, but I'm intrigued about these results of a Spaniard man (so, they're not mine, I was asked by him exactly about these apparently unusual percentages).

He says he was surprised by his results mainly because, being a Spaniard from a region closer to the Basque Country than to Portugal (yet he clusters closer to Portuguese people) he appears in the Gedmatch calculator for ancient admixtures with a relatively low "Neolithic" (42%) and a really excessive WHG (25.8%), as well as a significant proportion of EHG (18.1%). But I found it a bit weird that "Neolithic", which includes a big chunk of Basal Eurasian, is lumped together with a muuuuuch later admixture than Basal Eurasian. Doesn't that kind of thing cause some distortions due to some overlap?

Also, I notice that there is no admixture that, at least as far as I can see, is a good proxy for CHG or Iranian_Neolithic (though Basal Eurasian was also quite prevalent in the latter). Could it be that his relatively huge % of WHG and EHG are simply an artifact of the lack of a set of admixtures that would be a better fit to his real Neolithic/Mesolithic ancestral admixtures?

I don't know, I just find it a bit implausible that this Modern Spaniard, who clusters on the PCA as very close to other Spaniards and especially to Portuguese people, would have just 42% of "EEF proper" ancestry and almost 26% of "real" WHG. Also, this 18.1% EHG would mean something like 35% of Bronze Age steppe admixture.

Wouldn't he plot in a quite different position from that of average Iberians if those were his ACTUAL genetic makeup?

 

[Mark]

I would definitely need to see more results of Spaniards to speak on that. He has more Neolithic than me on the same test. I will say that peoples of Portugal and into the former region of Leon should have some Suebi ancestral elements, for what it’s worth. I have seen pictures of people from Northern Portugal who look rather Germanic.

 

[LeBrok]

Hi, I don't know if this is the appropriate venue for that, but I'm intrigued about these results of a Spaniard man (so, they're not mine, I was asked by him exactly about these apparently unusual percentages).

He says he was surprised by his results mainly because, being a Spaniard from a region closer to the Basque Country than to Portugal (yet he clusters closer to Portuguese people) he appears in the Gedmatch calculator for ancient admixtures with a relatively low "Neolithic" (42%) and a really excessive WHG (25.8%), as well as a significant proportion of EHG (18.1%). But I found it a bit weird that "Neolithic", which includes a big chunk of Basal Eurasian, is lumped together with a muuuuuch later admixture than Basal Eurasian. Doesn't that kind of thing cause some distortions due to some overlap?

Also, I notice that there is no admixture that, at least as far as I can see, is a good proxy for CHG or Iranian_Neolithic (though Basal Eurasian was also quite prevalent in the latter). Could it be that his relatively huge % of WHG and EHG are simply an artifact of the lack of a set of admixtures that would be a better fit to his real Neolithic/Mesolithic ancestral admixtures?

I don't know, I just find it a bit implausible that this Modern Spaniard, who clusters on the PCA as very close to other Spaniards and especially to Portuguese people, would have just 42% of "EEF proper" ancestry and almost 26% of "real" WHG. Also, this 18.1% EHG would mean something like 35% of Bronze Age steppe admixture.

Wouldn't he plot in a quite different position from that of average Iberians if those were his ACTUAL genetic makeup?

Interestingly WHG admixture increased in farmers from EN to LN, and then jumped even higher during Bronze Age, adding EHG at same time too. We also have to keep in mind that Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia already contained 10% of WHG, which could have been separated and included in this K11 run as WHG.

 

[Angela]

42% Neolithic farmer is normal for Southern Europeans on the MDLP K 11 modern. It's what I get. The total "European hunter gatherer" is about the same for me as for the Spaniard, just reversed, with me getting more EHG and less WHG.

Neolithic 42.72
EHG 24.013
WHG 18.424

The only other difference is that I get no African, but I get more Basal (13%)

Those scores make absolutely no sense to me and don't correlate with scores on other calculators. Also, according to academic analyses, Italians from my part of Italy should have about 25-30% steppe, so how could I have such high EHG; it should be about 15%.

Imo, people shouldn't take this amateur stuff so seriously. Who knows how they form their clusters.

 

[Johane Derite]

42% Neolithic farmer is normal for Southern Europeans on the MDLP K 11 modern. It's what I get. The total "European hunter gatherer" is about the same for me as for the Spaniard, just reversed, with me getting more EHG and less WHG.

Neolithic 42.72
EHG 24.013
WHG 18.424

The only other difference is that I get no African, but I get more Basal (13%)

Those scores make absolutely no sense to me and don't correlate with scores on other calculators. Also, according to academic analyses, Italians from my part of Italy should have about 25-30% steppe, so how could I have such high EHG; it should be about 15%.

Imo, people shouldn't take this amateur stuff so seriously. Who knows how they form their clusters.

This is what it gives me:

Basal	13.20
Iran-Mesolithic	3.55
Neolithic	39.62
Oceanic	0.92
EHG	24.47
SEA	-
Siberian	-
WHG	18.25

 

[Mark]

This is what it gives me:

Basal	13.20
Iran-Mesolithic	3.55
Neolithic	39.62
Oceanic	0.92
EHG	24.47
SEA	-
Siberian	-
WHG	18.25

Bro, nice.

 

[Johane Derite]

Bro, nice.

lol, XD. Still wondering what this oceanian i keep getting is

 

[Mark]

lol, XD. Still wondering what this oceanian i keep getting is

Back migration from Tazmania. Obviously.

 

[Tomenable]

Appreciated. Your maternal grandma looks interesting, more like someone from East Germany. I'm assuming, because I don't have East German samples yet, but definitely she has more Germanic like influance.

It depends on calculator.

She seems northern-shifted but I'm not sure if it is more Germanic or Baltic (in Eurogenes K15 she has high North Sea but also high Baltic - she has the highest Baltic of us four, while my mom has the highest North Sea, my dad and me have high Atlantic).

Our Eurogenes K15 (grandma / mom / dad / me):

North Sea - 23.25 / 26.77 / 24.18 / 22.24
Atlantic - 17.26 / 14.93 / 19.34 / 19.65
Baltic - 27.75 / 23.96 / 24.98 / 25.41
East Euro - 17.96 / 19.95 / 15.86 / 18.22
West Med - 6.29 / 5.53 / 5.16 / 5.35
West Asian - 4.97 / 4.42 / 4.74 / 6.36
East Med - 1.23 / 3.32 / 4.53 / 2.70
Red Sea - 0.87 / 0.24 / 0.00 / 0.00
South Asian - 0.43 / 0.17 / 0.00 / 0.07
Amerind - 0.00 / 0.54 / 0.00 / 0.00
Oceanian - 0.00 / 0.00 / 0.23 / 0.00
NE African - 0.00 / 0.17 / 0.96 / 0.00

Eurogenes K36 (from FTDNA data) for comparison:
(grandma has the highest North Sea in this case)

Eurogenes K36	Grandma	Mom	Dad	Me
Amerindian
Arabian		0.65
Armenian
Basque	1.25		0.29	0.91
Central African			0.05
Central Euro	5.66	8.82	10.15	9.80
East African
East Asian
East Balkan	5.16	5.10	8.33	8.54
East-Central Asian
East-Central Euro	23.68	22.14	19.23	22.87
East Med
Eastern Euro	16.77	14.63	13.70	13.99
Fennoscandian	7.50	11.95	11.05	9.32
French	4.10	6.50	5.28	4.93
Iberian	6.59	2.00	6.23	0.39
Indo-Chinese
Italian	5.57	6.62	3.34	5.96
Malayan
Near Eastern			1.93
North African
North Atlantic	9.20	6.55	9.10	8.14
North Caucasian	1.62	4.14		2.15
North Sea	12.12	10.89	10.51	11.81
Northeast African
Oceanian
Omotic
Pygmy
Siberian
South Asian
South-Central Asian
South Chinese
Volga-Ural			0.36
West African
West Caucasian	0.78		0.24
West Med			0.17	1.20

 

[Angela]

This is what it gives me:

Basal	13.20
Iran-Mesolithic	3.55
Neolithic	39.62
Oceanic	0.92
EHG	24.47
SEA	-
Siberian	-
WHG	18.25

We're really close again.

The only difference is that you get that 3.55 Iran Chalcolithic. I only get less than .5%. If you add that to your 39.6 Neolithic you get to my 42%.

You're unusually close to Italians for an Albanian, yes?

 

[Johane Derite]

We're really close again.


You're unusually close to Italians for an Albanian, yes?

I don't know. In gedmatch albanians do tend to show up in the top 3 results so I'm guessing there must be enough like me. But maybe its also these calculators are not as good at distinguishing from balkans/south euros?

No clue, confusing and exciting though

 

[Tomenable]

I don't have East German samples yet

I have a lot with GEDCOMs but I wasn't checking what they score in HarappaWorld so far.

 

[LeBrok]

I have a lot with GEDCOMs but I wasn't checking what they score in HarappaWorld so far.

Could you post 5 of them for this statistic. Thanks

 

[Ygorcs]

Thanks for your answers, guys and girls! They were quite clarifying for me.

 

[maratmilano]

My Harappa results:

Caucasian 48.75
Baloch 19.75
SW Asian 10.72
Mediterranean 7.16
NE Euro 7.08
NE Asian 1.75
South Indian 1.57
Siberian 1.42

Top result by Least Squares is Azeri, then Turk, and Armenian third. Being half Azeri half Armenian Harappa ended up being fairly accurate predictor

 

[LeBrok]

My Harappa results:

Caucasian 48.75
Baloch 19.75
SW Asian 10.72
Mediterranean 7.16
NE Euro 7.08
NE Asian 1.75
South Indian 1.57
Siberian 1.42

Top result by Least Squares is Azeri, then Turk, and Armenian third. Being half Azeri half Armenian Harappa ended up being fairly accurate predictor

Right on. Looking at your numbers, some of them fit very well Armenians some Azeris. Though all of the nations below are very closely genetically related.

			S Indian	Baloch	Caucasian	NE Euro	SE Asian	Siberian	NE Asian	Papuan	American	Beringian	Mediterranean	SW Asian	San	E African	Pygmy	W African
stalskoe, Dagestan	xing	5	0%	24%	41%	21%	2%	3%	1%	1%	2%	1%	4%	2%	0%	0%	0%	0%
north-ossetian	harappa	1	0%	19%	45%	14%	1%	5%	3%	1%	1%	1%	4%	3%	1%	0%	1%	0%
kumyk	yunusbayev	14	0%	21%	47%	16%	1%	4%	3%	0%	1%	1%	3%	3%	0%	0%	0%	0%
chechen	yunusbayev	20	0%	22%	51%	20%	0%	2%	1%	0%	1%	1%	1%	1%	0%	0%	0%	0%
adygei	hgdp	17	1%	18%	57%	16%	1%	3%	1%	0%	1%	1%	2%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
abhkasian	yunusbayev	20	0%	18%	69%	8%	0%	1%	0%	0%	0%	1%	1%	1%	0%	0%	0%	0%
georgian	harappa	4	0%	20%	62%	6%	0%	0%	1%	1%	0%	1%	2%	6%	0%	0%	0%	0%
armenian	harappa	2	2%	18%	46%	3%	0%	1%	1%	2%	0%	1%	10%	15%	1%	0%	0%	0%
azeri	harappa	3	3%	19%	43%	7%	0%	4%	3%	1%	1%	1%	7%	10%	0%	0%	0%	0%
turk	behar	19	1%	16%	47%	9%	0%	4%	2%	0%	1%	1%	10%	10%	0%	0%	0%	0%
turk-aydin	hodoglugil	20	1%	12%	38%	14%	0%	6%	4%	0%	0%	1%	14%	9%	0%	0%	0%	0%
turk-istanbul	hodoglugil	20	1%	16%	45%	11%	1%	3%	3%	0%	0%	1%	11%	9%	0%	0%	0%	0%
turk-kayseri	hodoglugil	23	1%	15%	45%	8%	1%	4%	2%	0%	0%	1%	11%	10%	0%	0%	0%	0%
turkish	harappa	11	2%	17%	40%	9%	1%	4%	2%	1%	1%	1%	11%	11%	1%	1%	0%	0%