Holy Crap, Anthrogenica is closing

Dibran said:
Indeed. They permanently banned me for calling out an Anti-Albanian troll who posted regularly on the Apricity and tried claiming that the autosomal shift of some North-Macedonians toward Kosovar Albanians/North Albanians was because they are genetically influenced from North Macedonians rather than the other way around. Never lifted the ban either. Reason for ban "trolling" for calling out a troll lol.

There is no rhyme or reason to half of they decision making process.
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While I agree, the shift towards each other is also obviously from both sides
 
In what historical record is the migration and large settlement of North Macedonians into Kosove found?

On the other hand we have documented evidence of migration and settlement of Albanians from Albania and even Kosove into Macedonia where some small native Albanian groups already existed.
 
Macedonians also settled modern Albania and Kosove and there have been intermarriages. The native Albanian population in Macedonia wasn't neccessarily ''small'' but consisted of at least the western part and northern part and even other areas . Town names like Shkup, Ohrid, Shtip follow Albanian phonetic laws . Many Albanians in Macedonia also bore Slavic names.
 
Shkupi was mostly a town inhabited by Muslim Albanians . Many Albanians in Macedonia were also genocided by invading Serbs.
 
Macedonia had Orthodox Albanians that became eventually Slavs too
 
Hi Tanush,

I don't disagree. All you're describing to me is what I'm saying though. That it's Albanians who clearly influenced North Macedonians.

The Macedonians argument was to deflect the fact that Albanians had a genetic impact in West Macedonia. An admittance of which, would hurt the propaganda. So, they rather claimed the similarity with Northern Albanians and Kosovars comes from Macedonian Slavs which isn't true.
 

“Anthrogenica is closing”​


Oh thank god it’s over!

The main problem with the site was that it was an authoritarian dictatorship.

There was a clique of moderators and select members who always took sides in every argument. Forum rules would be used as a pretext to censor those who took the wrong side, and those on the favored side had free rein to taunt and bait their opponents into breaking a rule. Members like rms were the admin’s gestapo, throwing rocks at people to get them to throw rocks back, and then they’d go straight to their admin friends to get a ban. It was a well oiled machine designed to maintain hegemony.

Many of the admins also happened to be compensated haplogroup “admins” (aka salesmen) for FTDNA. Any suggestion that a particular test wouldn’t be of value to the tester anything would get you on the wrong side of the admins.

The most insightful members invariably got on the admin’s wrong side very quickly by not sticking to the script, and got banned. The surviving participants were middling “yes” men of the peleton, lacking the courage to say anything unconventional.

The head admin also had some weird obsession with denying the existence of race as a real thing. Any suggestion that people of different geography have different phenotypes would get you on his wrong side. It was ludicrous stand to take, given that genetic studies are entirely based on the assumption that different historical peoples and cultures can be differentiated by genetic variation.

I saw in the opening post that there were issues with politicized ethnic issues taking over, leading to the shutdown. Over the past few years, many online forums have become battlegrounds of the info wars. Ahead of the Ukraine invasion, Quora got flooded with posts about civil war, race baiting, imperialism, etc. Government agents have really amped up the online narratives.
 
To be fair, talk of "phenotypes" bloats a lot of like forums (Apricity is full of rather asinine discussion along these lines) and considering its name Anthro*GEN*ica I could see why discussion about phenotypes other than in a strictly genetic sense would be suppressed. Thank goodness really.

Left-leaning (as with racialist, etc...) sentiments interfering with discussion can be annoying but I don't think that was a major problem in Anthrogenica, at least in my experience.
 
Robotnick said:
To be fair, talk of "phenotypes" bloats a lot of like forums (Apricity is full of rather asinine discussion along these lines) and considering its name Anthro*GEN*ica I could see why discussion about phenotypes other than in a strictly genetic sense would be suppressed. Thank goodness really.

Left-leaning (as with racialist, etc...) sentiments interfering with discussion can be annoying but I don't think that was a major problem in Anthrogenica, at least in my experience.
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Agree, the aim should be to minimize it as a topic of discussion, and it wasn’t a huge problem at Anthrogenica. Many forums tend to get gunked up with ethnic squabbling. But I’ve seen the chief admin of Anthrogenica say things like, “there’s no such thing as race.” - Um, can you please explain then how we’re determining where people came from based on their genetics?

Modern racial differentiation has mostly become a continuum rather than discrete groupings, but that was not always the case. The only reason genetic genealogy works at all is that racial groups were once very distinct, with long-persistent genetic differences of functional relevance.

Denying the existence of race serves as an automatic disqualifier for the admin’s fitness to moderate such a group, or any scientific discussion, because it demonstrates a preference for politicized narrative over truth.
 
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Robotnick said:
To be fair, talk of "phenotypes" bloats a lot of like forums (Apricity is full of rather asinine discussion along these lines) and considering its name Anthro*GEN*ica I could see why discussion about phenotypes other than in a strictly genetic sense would be suppressed. Thank goodness really.

Left-leaning (as with racialist, etc...) sentiments interfering with discussion can be annoying but I don't think that was a major problem in Anthrogenica, at least in my experience.
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The problem was not one of political discussions occurring. It was that any mention of racial differentiation would get you on the admin’s shit list, and then he’d be primed to ban you. It coupled with the other issues of moderation bias I mentioned, which were the main problem.
 
kingjohn said:
it ain't over till the fat lady sings 🤣

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Can you tell me who the owner and other admin’s/mod‘s of this new forum are (former Anthrogenica monikers)? I would never even consider participating unless I knew who was managing it, and was confident that they’d be even handed moderators.
 
The most ironic thing about Anthrogenica was how the forum had a strong dictatorship Neo-Nazi Supremacist atmosphere while pretending Eupedia hold the title. It was some sort of Hidden Skadi.

All the moderators were Hardcore Neo-Nazis. Their tactic was to let the maximum freedom of speech to Afrocentrists (+ banning anyone who fight them and/or argue against them) in order to cover up the true forums reality , neat.
 
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The founder was also some well known Neo-Nazi anthrotard DMXX (aka humata) who after some years got bored of it and stopped remiting the rent. Eventually none of these Neo-Nazis moderators felt like paying the rent either when the forum hadn't enough Nazi restrictions.

So this forum pathetically died this way.
 
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Antalas said:
The founder was also some well known Neo-Nazi anthrotard DMXX (aka humata) who after some years got bored of it and stopped versing the rent. Eventually none of these Neo-Nazis moderators felt like paying the rent either when the forum hadn't enough Nazi restrictions.

So this forum pathetically died this way.
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Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this.

As much as I disliked Antrogenica and their tyrannical moderator style, this forum was not a haven for white supremacists, let alone Neo-Nazis. AG, on the other hand, is extremely liberal, and some of the Mods are non-white or Jewish. Moreover, some of the gold-class members, well-respected VIPs were Jews. In contrast, members who discussed race, phenotype too much, or implied that Europeans and their culture were superior or were Nordicists were banned.

Furthermore, unless they were over the top and extremely pseudo, afrocentrists were treated with kid gloves and were given a pass when they made inflamatory comments and started arguments on a thread. Anyway, I've noticed that some North African members got banned after having heated debates with Afrocentrists about Egypt or SSA admixture in the Middle East, as well as the distinction between North Africans and Sub-Saharan-Africans, and stroke the wrong tone. They were initially suspended, but when they continued to argue with Afrocentrists, they were permanently banned.
 
Miiser said:
Can you tell me who the owner and other admin’s/mod‘s of this new forum are (former Anthrogenica monikers)? I would never even consider participating unless I knew who was managing it, and was confident that they’d be even handed moderators.
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don't know
but i think they are the same administrators
just in a differnt platform

p.s
i do have respect for some members there
like : pribislav , teepean47 and others
 
kingjohn said:
don't know
but i think they are the same administrators
just in a differnt platform

p.s
i do have respect for some members there
like : pribislav , teepean47 and others
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Some of the most meaningful discussions took place there. Unfortunately, the moderation was draconian, and most of the best contributors didn’t stick around long. A new guy would show up, and I’d think, “finally, a real pro in the field with some insight,” and within a couple weeks they’d be gone, usually banned.
 
Dibran said:
In what historical record is the migration and large settlement of North Macedonians into Kosove found?

On the other hand we have documented evidence of migration and settlement of Albanians from Albania and even Kosove into Macedonia where some small native Albanian groups already existed.
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You are again trolling on another forum , you was voted for ban also from Albanians on anthrogenica ,

The whole point is different about Macedonians and Gheg's ( not about someone influenced Albanians ) , in the past Albanians were Macedonians , also modern Albania and Kosovo = Macedonia, the thing is Macedonians from North part was influenced by Serbs , with heavy agenda and migrations on many army majors and generals in Macedonia with whole families from Serbia ( that's different topic ) , my point was the following ,
Albanians are Macedonians , Albanians didn't exist in the same timeline when Macedonians existed , same as Greeks and Bulgarians and Serbians, There were Macedonians/Illyrians and Thracians , so Modern Macedonians are both Macedonian and Illyrian with slavic influence same as albanians, the major differences are religion and language , the genetics are quite similar/same, that was the whole point.
 
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