How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?


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"Original" Croats were Slavs. Their personal names, language and religion was Slavic since they were first time mentioned in the sources. The places called after Croatian etnhnonym were found in the areas where the historical sources mention Slavs or where the first slavic states emerged, Serbia included.

Croatian ethnonym itself is, however, most probably of Iranian origin, but the slavic word for "god" is as well. All that strongly support the Slavic origin of Croats (or vice versa, who knows). The proposed area of the Croatian origin fits pretty well with the area of highest diversity of the I-CTS10228 subclade, as well as with the area of the earliest Slavic toponymy. Present day Croats are descendants of these Croats and autochtonous population of Panonia and Dalmatia who were a minority at the time of Croatian arrival.

Names of Croatian leaders from VII century were Kluk, Muhol, Kosen, Lovel, Tuga and Vuga and that names are not Slavic.
 
Names of Croatian leaders from VII century were Kluk, Muhol, Kosen, Lovel, Tuga and Vuga and that names are not Slavic.

These were the names of legendary characters, not of the real leaders. The names of the leaders (historicly proven) were Slavic, with some germanic influence.

Don't misinterpret the sources. That will bring you nowhere.
 
These were the names of legendary characters, not of the real leaders. The names of the leaders (historicly proven) were Slavic, with some germanic influence.

Don't misinterpret the sources. That will bring you nowhere.

Why Croatian legendary characters have weird non-slavic names?

Maby names such as Kluk, Muhol, Lovel and Kosen exist in Iran. :LOL:

[video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats#Iranian_theory[/video]

 
Why Croatian legendary characters have weird non-slavic names?

Maby names such as Kluk, Muhol, Lovel and Kosen exist in Iran. :LOL:

[video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats#Iranian_theory[/video]

Maybe yes, maybe not.

If you don't understand how Slavs could have legends with "foreign names" in them, try to explain yourself why Christian Serbs today have names of Jewish origin.
 
You don't even understand that "Iranian" in linguistic sense does not mean "from Iran".

If you don't understand how Slavs could have legends with "foreign names" in them, try to explain yourself why Christian Serbs today have names of Jewish origin.

All Christians have "Jewish" or biblical names, that is normal because of religion.

But why Croats from VII century have non-slavic names?
Kluk, Muhol, Kosen and Lovel are maybe Iranic and maybe Turkic, these names are not Slavic without any doubt.

Proto-Croatians were not Slavs, they were of Iranic or Turkic origin, word Croat is not of Slavic origin and many Croatian historians say that.
 
All Christians have "Jewish" or biblical names, that is normal because of religion.

Use the same logic here.

But why Croats from VII century have non-slavic names?
Kluk, Muhol, Kosen and Lovel are maybe Iranic and maybe Turkic, these names are not Slavic without any doubt.

The names are of unknown origin. That could be place names as well. Many peoples had similar legends.

Proto-Croatians were not Slavs, they were of Iranic or Turkic origin, word Croat is not of Slavic origin and many Croatian historians say that.

These are the speculations.

Nobody knows what "Proto-Croatians" were or were not. We know that the first Croats confirmed in history in 9th century and had Slavic names, spoke Slavic language, called "Slavs" by others, and had the Slavic Perun cult.

The hill called Perun is still there, above the former seat of the Croatian kings. In the past there were more of such names: https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun_(brdo)
 
All Christians have "Jewish" or biblical names, that is normal because of religion.

But why Croats from VII century have non-slavic names?
Kluk, Muhol, Kosen and Lovel are maybe Iranic and maybe Turkic, these names are not Slavic without any doubt.

Proto-Croatians were not Slavs, they were of Iranic or Turkic origin, word Croat is not of Slavic origin and many Croatian historians say that.

The I2a that Croats have is not originaly Indo-European origin and that may be just a proof for that. For Kluk, Muhol, Kosen and Lovel we do not know the origin of that names.

However, this verse is similar to the one in Hervarar saga ok Heiðreks (13th century), where prior the battle between Goths and Huns,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hervarar_saga_ok_Heiðreks

King had twelve sons. The eldest was Angantyr, then Hervarth, then Hjörvarth,

http://www.germanicmythology.com/FORNALDARSAGAS/HERVARARKERSHAW.html

Then maybe and the Goths are Iranians, therefore genetics is clearly said that Croats have nothing to do with Iranians, for ethnonym Croat we will see in the future from where, with whom and when it comes to Azov and then we will bring some conclusion.
 
The I2a that Croats have is not originaly Indo-European origin and that may be just a proof for that. For Kluk, Muhol, Kosen and Lovel we do not know the origin of that names.

Yes, we don't know origin of that names, but they are not Slavic neither Germanic for sure.
 
Then maybe and the Goths are Iranians, therefore genetics is clearly said that Croats have nothing to do with Iranians, for ethnonym Croat we will see in the future from where, with whom and when it comes to Azov and then we will bring some conclusion.

Who were Croats which are mentioned near Azov it's not clear, but one thing is slear, that Coats from Azov were not same people as Croats from early middle age.

Croats from early middle age were Slavs which adopted Croatian name from non-Slavic Croars.
Non-Slavic proto-Croats probably were small military elite which were conquest some Slavic tribes and that Slavic tribes adopted Croatian name.

Real non-Slavic Croats (proto-Croats) were not I2a-Din and R1a-M458/Z280 without any doubt, they probably have some non-European haplogroups.
 
Who were Croats which are mentioned near Azov it's not clear, but one thing is slear, that Coats from Azov were not same people as Croats from early middle age.

Croats from early middle age were Slavs which adopted Croatian name from non-Slavic Croars.
Non-Slavic proto-Croats probably were small military elite which were conquest some Slavic tribes and that Slavic tribes adopted Croatian name.

Real non-Slavic Croats (proto-Croats) were not I2a-Din and R1a-M458/Z280 without any doubt, they probably have some non-European haplogroups.

It is possible that Croats in the seventh century came from Africa to Croatia, therefore you have no historical and genetic data to confirm your claims or to translate you talk fairytales without proof.
 
@Bachus,

Here is the text from DAI:

Kloukas and Lobelos and Kosentzis and Mouchlo and Chrobatos, and two sisters, Touga and Bouga

You dropped the most important name: Chrobatos.

The Lusatian Sorbs have a legend about a wizzard called Krabat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krabat

Maybe Lusatian Sorbs have the "Iranian or Turkic" origin too? What do you think?
 
It is possible that Croats in the seventh century came from Africa to Croatia, therefore you have no historical and genetic data to confirm your claims or to translate you talk fairytales without proof.

Traces of non-Slavic proto-Croatians are probably high percentage of mongoloid haplogroup Q in the islands Korčula and Hvar.
In Korčula and Hvar exist also Asiatic mt DNA.

[video]hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Genomi_neslavenskih_Hrvata[/video]

[video]hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Mitohondrijska_DNK_Hrvatica#Haplogrupe_J_i_T[/video]
 
@ Wonomyro

Krabat is not related with Croatians, of course that Lusatian Serbs don't have Turkic or Iranic origin.
 
Traces of non-Slavic proto-Croatians are probably high percentage of mongoloid haplogroup Q in the islands Korčula and Hvar.
In Korčula and Hvar exist also Asiatic mt DNA.

[video]hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Genomi_neslavenskih_Hrvata[/video]

[video]hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Mitohondrijska_DNK_Hrvatica#Haplogrupe_J_i_T[/video]

Please, @Bachus, stop behave like an evil little gnome.

There are no "mongoloid" haplogroups. Do you think that you are going to "discredit" Croats with your racist prejudices?

The reputation of your "source" is trash. Don't provoke me to call moderator.

Anyway, how could one of many populated Croatian islands explain origin of Croats as a whole?
 
@ Wonomyro

Krabat is not related with Croatians, of course that Lusatian Serbs don't have Turkic or Iranic origin.

Krabat is typical germanized archaic form of Croatian ethnonym.
 
Traces of non-Slavic proto-Croatians are probably high percentage of mongoloid haplogroup Q in the islands Korčula and Hvar.
In Korčula and Hvar exist also Asiatic mt DNA.

[video]hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Genomi_neslavenskih_Hrvata[/video]

[video]hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Mitohondrijska_DNK_Hrvatica#Haplogrupe_J_i_T[/video]

No, Croats come from White Croatia.

Until today it is not denied with historical record and genetics and this is the only truth for the time being. Sorry.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/31539-Genetics-confirm-migration-of-White-Croats-to-Croatia


De administrando imperio..From the Croats who came to Dalmatia, one part separated, and occupied Illyricum (Illurikon) and Panonian (Pannonian),

It encompassed the northern part of present-day Albania, much of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Kosovo and Serbia, thus covering an area significantly larger than the current Croatian region of Dalmatia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia_(Roman_province)

The province comprised Illyria/Dalmatia and Pannonia. Illyria included the area along the east coast of the Adriatic Sea and its inland mountains. With the creation of this province it came to be called Dalmatia. It was in the south, while Pannonia was in the north. Illyria/Dalmatia stretched from the River Drin (in modern northern Albania) to Istria (Croatia) and the River Sava in the north. The area roughly corresponded to modern northern Albania, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina and coastal Croatia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyricum_(Roman_province)

Pannonia was an ancient province of the Roman Empire bounded north and east by the Danube, coterminous westward with Noricum and upper Italy, and southward with Dalmatia and upper Moesia. Pannonia was located over the territory of the present-day western Hungary, eastern Austria, northern Croatia, north-western Serbia, northern Slovenia, western Slovakia and northern Bosnia and Herzegovina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia

What the island of Hvar and Korcula have with Illyricum, Roman Dalmatia and Panonia.?
 
Mongoloid haplogroup Q in the Hvar and Korčula came from White Croatia, is not it? :unsure:

Croatian E1b types comes from Albania, but Croats did not come from Albania they came from White Croatia. Do you understand now?
 
Mongoloid haplogroup Q in the Hvar and Korčula came from White Croatia, is not it? :unsure:

In every forum I've stumbled upon, there is always a group of Serbs who never miss to mention haplogroup Q on Hvar island suggesting that Croats are of Avaric, Turkic, Mongol of whatever exotic origin, but not Slavic.

Even a person with a lower then average IQ can realize how rediculous that claims are, but they just don't give up...

Is that something in the water or...?
 

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