Hey dude, thanks for your time explaining meHi Lendros!
It is nice to see you here.
The thread is very interesting and I will try to give you some (possible) answers
In my opinion, these two early Slavic cultures were important for spreading S17250 (very likely together with some branches of R-Z280):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague-Korchak_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipotesti–Candesti_culture
Starting area for expansion probably was the zone of Korchak Culture: Upper and Middle Dniester, Prut, Upper Vistula, Zhitomir
From this area, S17250 migrated to all directions, east, west, south, and north. West and south mostly following Outer Carpathians
In ancient sources, these tribes were mentioned as Sclaveni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclaveni
A big mass of Slavs from Korchak area migrated to Moldova region and Wallachia, where they crossed the Danube somewhere near Vidin, it was in middle of the sixth century, after settlement in nowadays East Serbia and West Bulgaria they divided into three groups, the first group went south to Epirus and some of them reach Peloponesse, the second migrated to Dalmatia, while the third went to Trakia and towards sea of Marmara
There are some visual representations of migrations
http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/zvwas/zvwas_040a.jpg
http://www.kroraina.com/vg/vg_map2.jpg
https://s9.postimg.cc/5th5wep3z/zaimov.jpg
Other large groups of Slavs from Korchak culture migrated toward Central and Southern Poland, Bohemia and Germany.
One part of them moved near today Slovakia-Hungary border to West Pannonia, Balaton lake, Alps and the Adriatic Sea.
What part of Greece does your paternal line come from?
Do you know your subclade under S17250?
Hey dude, thanks for your time explaining me
Sounds very interesting!!
My paternal and maternal ancestors came from Greek Thrace, even from the Byzantium era.
My Living Dna results came with only this I2(I-S17250) so I dont know any more details
Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
Hey dude, thanks for your time explaining me
Sounds very interesting!!
My paternal and maternal ancestors came from Greek Thrace, even from the Byzantium era.
My Living Dna results came with only this I2(I-S17250) so I dont know any more details
Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
Dear Leandros! This question also interests me. One of my 8 eight great-great grandfather was I2a-L621-S17250-A1328.
The other A1328 families I found:
Sergeyev, Tula, Russia
Melnikov, Baskiria, Russia
Prudky, Harkiv Ukraina
Rudy, Lipivci, Ukraina
Barbo, Talachin, Belarus
Viarenic-Stachowski, Stochava, Belarus
Dzuba, Botajica, Bosnia
Ciric, Maricka, Bosnia
Vranjesevic, Bosanski Petrovac, Bosnia
Wisniewski, Warszava, Poland
Starasinic, Krasinec, Slovenia
Tóth, Nyírbéltek, Hungary (My ancestors)
According to YFULL, the A1328 last common ancestor lived 1400 year before present, so it means about 610 AD.
Dear Vlad82! I would also like to thank you fro the detailed answer. Based in the above, I think, the S17250 decomposed into subgroups before the great slavic migration. It seems that the individual strains have broken apart, and did not move as a complete tribe to the Balkans, or to the Avar Khaganate, or Poland, or east, today Russia. The S17250 certainly lived in today's Western Ukraina, as Vlad82 wrote.
I'm interested in how the Korchak culture came about?
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First results (YSEQ ID 11777) have been posted: https://www.yseq.net/alleles.php Quick results summary: I2a-M423 Panel processing CTS10228 C+ S17250 A+ PH908 processing Y5596 processing Y4882 processing |
More results (YSEQ ID 11777) have been posted: https://www.yseq.net/alleles.php Quick results summary: I2a-M423 Panel processing CTS10228 C+ S17250 A+ PH908 C- Y5596 A- Y4882 A+ A1328 processing A12505 processing |
More results (YSEQ ID 11777) have been posted: https://www.yseq.net/alleles.php Quick results summary: I2a-M423 Panel processing CTS10228 C+ S17250 A+ PH908 C- Y5596 A- Y4882 A+ A1328 G+ A12505 C- A7318 processing |
Your results (YSEQ ID 11777) have been posted: https://www.yseq.net/alleles.php The final haplogroup is I2a-A1328. All known downstream branches have been confirmed negative. Quick results summary: I2a-M423 Panel processing CTS10228 C+ S17250 A+ PH908 C- Y5596 A- Y4882 A+ A1328 G+ A12505 C- A7318 A- |
Anyone has any ideas where this specific subclade originated?
Thanks
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Do we know I2a-A1328+, or I2a-Y3118+ samples from Croatia?
Do we know I2a-A1328+, or I2a-Y3118+ samples from Croatia?
hrvat22!
So, most of the Croats are my 1400 years old relatives? I think the White Croats are really the link between us. These my ancestors (Tóth and Kiss) have a rusin (ruthenian) origin. They called himself rusin. My grandfather was the last one who can speak the old rusin language in the village Penészlek. (he died: 1995) The Rusin (Ruthenian) motherland was just where the white croats lived (west Ukraina and southeast Poland)
Why do you use the term "white" Croats. Its like referring to Nigerians as "black" Nigerians lol
Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
Newbie here. Did 23&Me and Ancestry.com so far.
39% (and most): I2a1b2a1 S17250 aka. Y=P204
It doesn't refer to skin colour. White Croats was the name of the Slavic tribe which inhabited areas north of the Carpathians in eastern Europe, some of them are thought to have migrated to modern day Croatia.Why do you use the term "white" Croats. Its like referring to Nigerians as "black" Nigerians lol
Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a