I2a-Din came to the Balkans and Dinaric Alps with the Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians

[Kingslav]

Who made Bergin think he in charge, you want to run now when you clearly losing debate? This is good discussion. Please continue...

 

[Yetos]

The Ancient Greeks were more Atlantic, or Atlanto-Med admixed. Like the map I showed above of Atlanto-Med admixture which peaks in Albanians across Eastern Europe.

ok I keep calm,

I might agree with you,
ancient Greeks came from Iberia bell beaker correct?
not from Anatolia as Neolithic farmers,
Neither Catacomb culture, neither Yamnaa,

AND YOU PUT ME IN IGNORE LIST?

APOLLO , PLZ GIVE ME PEACE AND ARMONY IN MY MIND.

 

[Yetos]

Guys, this is becoming a perpetual machine. You will get nothing out of it.
Clearly there are people that think one way, and those that think in another.

The useful information has been said, discussed and even repeated few times.
People keep their opinions, fair enough.

@ Bergin,

I liked you before,
I will give another +1,
you can think and see clearly than many others in the forum.

 

[Fatherland]

oh boy

Look for Cetina, that is why I specifically said Proto-Bell Beaker. Dorics carried this Atlantic-Med admixture among others into Greece.

 

[Kingslav]

Lol balkanite you off topic again. Bring facts. You all my distant nephews. Check my dna results. You quote me, to the end, not selective parts. Noted. Ja jestem TRACKICH #Kingslav. I cant believe mentality of these "Crypto-Slavs". You have all these sources on internet do some research its 2017.

 

[Angela]

I told you people that a prolonged discussion of height in relation to the Balkans didn't belong here since the topic had its own thread and to post any such discussions there. I even provided you with the darn link.

Since you chose to ignore me I deleted all such posts. I also issued infractions for the most egregious offenders, those who have been warned about their behavior very often in the past.

People also got infractions for insults, and those posts were also removed.

Prolonged discussions of the difference between Gheg and Tosk belong in a thread in the linguistics section. Take it there. All such posts have been deleted. I should have issued infractions, but since some of you seem to have trouble knowing what is off-topic, I refrained. However, now I am making it crystal clear. It is off-topic.

Some people, as a result of an accumulation of infraction points, have been banned. Others are a point or so away from it. You have only yourselves to blame.

Take your Balkan squabbles to the Balkan Disagreements Thread. It was created for you for that express purpose. USE IT.

Keep going, and the infractions will flow. What don't you understand here?

Oh, and I'm at a loss as to how discussions of calculator proportions of clusters based on modern populations illuminates whether or not I2a Din was brought to the Balkans with the Thracians, Dacians, and Illyrians.

 

[Garrick]

Guys, this is becoming a perpetual machine. You will get nothing out of it.
Clearly there are people that think one way, and those that think in another.

The useful information has been said, discussed and even repeated few times.
People keep their opinions, fair enough.

When I gave 4 theories after correspondence with Russian scientists, expert for genetic genealogy, people begun overwhelmed the thread with unnecessary and pointless things. They do not even respect for Maciamo who opened this greater thread.

 

[Yetos]

hahaha

Now Cetina culture is Bell Beaker?

the Greek swords found at Coatia now is Bell Beaker?


and is surely after Vucocar and Vatin, possible creation of pre-Myceneans,


I wonder what next?

come on make my day,
give me strong bellbeaker Atlantic component in Balkans

 

[Fatherland]

hahaha

Now Cetina culture is Bell Beaker?

the Greek swords found at Coatia now is Bell Beaker?


and is surely after Vucocar and Vatin, possible creation of pre-Myceneans,


I wonder what next?

come on make my day,
give me strong bellbeaker Atlantic component in Balkans

Atlanto-Med component was present in the Balkans before the latter admixtures arrived.
It is WHG + Early European Farmers combo.

Basque and Sardinians have this to a great extent, it is Europe without Indo-Europeans and West-Asians + Near-Easterners admixture.

 

[Yetos]

Atlanto-Med component was present in the Balkans before the latter admixtures arrived.
It is WHG + Early European Farmers combo.

All I want is to give scientific proves that Cetina is a Bell Beaker,
and from a blogger or a science fiction novel.

and how Atlantic is autochthonos in Balkans?
from where they came and when?

 

[Fatherland]

and how Atlantic is autochthonos in Balkans?
from where they came and when?

From the WHGs who lived there before Farmers.

Albania was a refugium, very mountaineous and rough terrain in the north especially.
I said proto-Bell Beakers/proto-Cetina and not Bell Beakers per se, so you are wrong.

http://www.academia.edu/7174464/Fro...on_Martin_Bartelheim_Jaroslav_Peška_Jan_Turek

 

[Yetos]

From the WHGs who lived there before Farmers.

Albania was a refugium, very mountaineous and rough terrain in the north especially.

do you know what I find odd,

you claim L283 as IE
you claim V-13 which is old for some, not old for others,
you claim M-23 which is IE

DO you kjnow the HG's which are connected with Bell Beaker?
or with Atlantic mark?
is someone of the above?
are all the above?
or non of the above?

 

[Fatherland]

do you know what I find odd,

you claim L283 as IE
you claim V-13 which is old for some, not old for others,
you claim M-23 which is IE

DO you kjnow the HG's which are connected with Bell Beaker?
or with Atlantic mark?
is someone of the above?

Are you forgetting mtDNA lineages? Most Ancient male lineages were killed off by Bronze Age invaders.

 

[Garrick]

Illyrians definitely could not bring I-CTS10228 to the Balkans.

This haplogroup emerged after bottleneck somewhere where lived German and Thracian tribes about 300 BC or earlier (because there are different TMRCA calculations) and they had contacts with Sarmatians.

So I-CTS10228 is most probably Thracian/German marker (while someone determines precisely).

Since 300 BC only Thracians and Germans could bring this haplogroup to the south, Balkans (Sarmatians could bring to the east and north).

But I-PH908 could emerge in the Illyricum in 150 AD and in that case it is Illyrian marker, if emerged among Thracians in the Balkans it is Thracian marker.

 

[Yetos]

Are you forgetting mtDNA lineages?

ok you wanna play this game?

lets play it,

which mtDNA hg is bell beaker and which is neolithic and which is not Atlantic?

can you tell me the mtDNA of Bell beaker or Atlantic mark carriers?

 

[Fatherland]

ok you wanna play this game?

lets play it,

which mt DNA hg is bell beaker and which is neolithic and which is not Atlantic?

It is logical many female lineages survived. Male lineages are more expendable.

I'm not gonna count the numerous mtDNA lineages for you.

This is what I found when googling Bell Beaker mtDNA. It seems like I carry this mtDNA, 88% H's in Bell Beaker samples.

https://forwhattheywereweare.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/central-european-bell-beaker-mtdna-88-h/

 

[Kingslav]

I have already stated Illyrians come from southwest balkans. Specifically Albania. I am quoted for saying this. THRACIANS come from northeast balkans where Thrace was located, and some of the other Slavic members have given solid references to back up this theory.

 

[Angela]

People, the Iain Mathiesen paper on southeastern Europe indicates that the local WHG in the Balkans, who were extremely few in number to begin with, were absorbed, but they made very little difference in the genome of the farmers. That's at least the story so far.

Unless future samples up end that conclusion, relatively high levels of WHG in the Balkans would come from later migrations.

No one knows what the Doric people were like autosomally. We'll have to wait and see if the upcoming ancient Greek dna paper has any samples. That would clear up quite a few matters.

From what we can see from prior papers but also from the Mathiesen et al paper on the genetics of ancient Southeastern Europe, even up to the Iron Age "steppe" ancestry wasn't very widespread in the Balkans. The highest percentages were about 30%, yes, and very sporadic in the different cultures? The Iron Age samples were even less steppe, I believe, than the Bronze Age ones. Some of those samples were Thracian, to the best of my recollection.

Imo, you'd be much better off studying the composition of those samples than looking at modern clusters based on modern populations.

See:
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/30/135616

 

[Yetos]

It is logical many female lineages survived. Male lineages are more expendable.

I'm not gonna count the numerous mtDNA lineages for you.

That is because you can not,
Simply you find an eascape from discussion by using mtDNA,

well major mt DNA is haplo H

the maps

can you find any suitable for your theory that Atlantic is ancient basical mark on Balkans?

maybe you like the daughter of Eve named Jasmine?
the second biggest in Albania

 

[Fatherland]

People, the Iain Mathiesen paper on southeastern Europe indicates that the local WHG in the Balkans, who were extremely few in number to begin with, were absorbed, but they made very little difference in the genome of the farmers. That's at least the story so far.

Unless future samples up end that conclusion, relatively high levels of WHG in the Balkans would come from later migrations.

No one knows what the Doric people were like autosomally. We'll have to wait and see if the upcoming ancient Greek dna paper has any samples. That would clear up quite a few matters.

From what we can see from prior papers but also from the Mathiesen et al paper on the genetics of ancient Southeastern Europe, even up to the Iron Age "steppe" ancestry wasn't very widespread in the Balkans. The highest percentages were about 30%, yes, and very sporadic in the different cultures? The Iron Age samples were even less steppe, I believe, than the Bronze Age ones. Some of those samples were Thracian, to the best of my recollection.

Imo, you'd be much better off studying the composition of those samples than looking at modern clusters based on modern populations.

See:
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/30/135616

The problem is Yetos going offtopic with these bizarre claims of Albanians being western newcomers due to the elevated "Atlanto-Med" component in Albanians which is not fully Atlantic, but: part Early European Farmer - part Atlantic/WHG-like..

If he stops posting to me with bizarre theories then I will stop responding to him. I might aswell just put him on ignore now.