I2a2b in Greece: Native or Slavic

[albanopolis]

Again you are wrong, In Greece last researches find alive a palaiolitic remnant, I will not say the clan name, but soon you will see that aytosomal and blood search, and HIV resist of a certain tiny clan is such old that reaches Vinca, and they are major I2,
they are probably older than Sesklo/dimini and some say older than basquez, even Sardinians, the search has to do with PC*

About your post, search the Ottoman empire population numbers, and tell us why Albanians have 14% Altaic component.

I am not aware of those ottoman records but I will not be surprised If we have 14% Altaic blood in our veins. Turkish conquest left their marks in our population. The African autosomal admixture Albanians have today is a Turkish unwanted gift. If you meant that there are 14% Altaics in Albania then you are wrong,

 

[Yetos]

I am not aware of those ottoman records but I will not be surprised If we have 14% Altaic blood in our veins. Turkish conquest left their marks in our population. The African autosomal admixture Albanians have today is a Turkish unwanted gift. If you meant that there are 14% Altaics in Albania then you are wrong,

I am not going to rssurect threads, search the threads about that you said,
you are giving strange numbers, and historical incorrect, the slavs who enter Greece were the Serbs mostly, in Thessaloniki Slavic was not Spoken, there were villages in upper West Makedonia, as also Monasterion Perlepe etc was Greek speaking,
Bulgarian enter in Both Fyrom and Greece mostly after 1890, Bulgarians spend a lot of money on building scholls with anexation of Ottomans, than Greek and Serbs, which need special permissions, Albanians at least in my area 7 000-10 000, were all Ottoman Soldiers and officers, they had their own tekke but study at Turkish school, if you come i can show you their tekke, and were they lived

 

[albanopolis]

I am not going to rssurect threads, search the threads about that you said,
you are giving strange numbers, and historical incorrect, the slavs who enter Greece were the Serbs mostly, in Thessaloniki Slavic was not Spoken, there were villages in upper West Makedonia, as also Monasterion Perlepe etc was Greek speaking,
Bulgarian enter in Both Fyrom and Greece mostly after 1890, Bulgarians spend a lot of money on building scholls with anexation of Ottomans, than Greek and Serbs, which need special permissions, Albanians at least in my area 7 000-10 000, were all Ottoman Soldiers and officers, they had their own tekke but study at Turkish school, if you come i can show you their tekke, and were they lived

Albanians settled in Greece since the 11 century invited by Greek landlords of Byzantine empire. Many of them don't even know that originally they are Albos , since a lot of time has past. I know that from the Byzantine time documents. My point is, we are discussing the presence of I2a in Greece and knowing this documented historical facts make no sense to claim that I2a in Greece is original. There are other I subclades that are original but I2a is not one of them.

 

[Ljubo]

Correction: Haplogroup I on Crete is of a different subclade than in the rest of Greece (I2*-B like Armenia instead of I2a-Din like the Balkans).

The level of I2a in Greece proper, aside from Greek Macedonia, is even at lower levels than in Albania. Overall, Greece has the lowest levels I2a in the Balkans. So even if it is a newly introduced strain in the Greek population, it is at very modest levels to say the least. Even Greek Macedonia has lower levels of I2a than any Slavic speaking country. Unlike other peoples in the Balkans, Greeks have inhabited various geographic localities since ancient times: Asia Minor, Alexandria, Cyprus, Black Sea, the Aegean, the Ioanian, Pelopponesse, the Greek mainland. Yet by and large they essentially share the same origin.

As for I2a. I think it has been around in the Balkans since pre-classical times. It may have been in classical Greece, especially in the north, but in lower levels compared to today. Later when the Slavs came, some of the I2a may have been displaced and went South towards Greece. After that, the Slavs (mostly R1a) migrated to the Balkans and absorbed a lot of I2a people. A portion of those Slavs which by now were mostly I2a people descended towards Greece adding some more I2a in the region, especially in the North of Greece.

What's so strange about that? Slavic tribes settled all the way to the Peloponnese. As for the toponyms in Epirus, most of them are Slavic. For example, Igumenica (Igumenitza), Bistrica (Bistrica), Moskopolje (Moskopoja)....Also, in the northern Aegean Greece, such as Kostur (Castoria), Thessaloniki (Thessaloniki)...It is known that Byzantium, due to frequent uprisings, relocated the population from Macedonia and settled them in Asia Minor, and mainly Armenians were settled in their territory. Also, after the Balkan Wars, a large number of Islamized Slavs settled in Asia Minor, who are now Turks but identify as Bosniaks in the Balkans. Therefore, it is undeniable that the I2A1 haplogroup population is of Slavic origin. After all, if Byzantium was an empire, it is understandable that the Slavic population assimilated into Greek and not the other way around.