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Illyrian-Albanian Continuity

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@Ike

Just a little question for Ike .
Why the pupils and students in Serbia learn at school that albanians are descendant of illyrians ?
There will be a reason, or not ?
 
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Is this your only tactics? To give people multiple negs, disrespect them, mock them, treat them like idiots and insult other nationalities? Keep 'em coming ;)
 
@ Ike with respect.

It's just a normal question. You have been in school ? What did you learn in school, albanians are descendant of illyrians ore originary from Caucasus as you and Garrick had posted here ?
It's totally a normal question .
If you have not been in school or are unable to answer ok, no problem .
I don't think it's an secret right ?
 
One interesting text from Indonesia, it is not scientific, but esoteric:

http://www.lakubecik.org/phocadownload/trace of the real egypt 97-2003 s.pdf

The Illyrians worship Sun God and Moon Goddess, and place snake as a respected creature in their belief. There are many ethnological data about the belief in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The name of llyrian derived from word “Illur” that means “Snake”. Even in the myths from Illyrian ancestors depicted in the form of snake. In mythological and belief system from Illyrians, snake is believed to be the symbol of the respected animal, which instrumental in guarding human. For them snake is considered as a keeper, also in the household. This belief is kept for hundreds of years in Bosnia up until now.
 
Indonesia?
I am asking about your schools guys, not Indonesia. What did you learn at your schools. So difficult to answer ?
It's a very logical question .
You believe your schools are right about the issue ore are wrong ?
 
Indonesia?
I am asking about your schools guys, not Indonesia. What did you learn at your schools. So difficult to answer ?
It's a very logical question .
You believe your schools are right about the issue ore are wrong ?

In Serbian schools children learn from different textbooks and different views, there is no uniformity and textbooks are changing.

In Bosnian schools children learn that Bosnians are descendants of Illyrians.
 
In Serbian schools children learn from different textbooks and different views, there is no uniformity and textbooks are changing.

In Bosnian schools children learn that Bosnians are descendants of Illyrians.

Well, apparently In Serbian schools children learn that Albanians are descendants of Illyrians.
About Bosnian and our noble neighbors of FYROM i am not interesed.
 
And what about this gentelman what do you think?
1841
Nicolay, Prince of the Vasoyevich:
Brief Information on the Tribes of High Albania,
in particular on the Independent Mountain
s


Nicolay, Prince of the Vasoyevich, or Prince des Wassoevitch as he calls himself in French, was the author of some French-language essays and letters on the mountainous region along the present border between Albania and Montenegro. He was active during the reign of Prince Petar II Petrovic Njegos (r. 1830-1851) of Montenegro, and seems to have first-hand knowledge about the highland tribes of Albania and Montenegro at the time. Little else is known of him.




Ancient Holmia (Mountains) is situated between the Adriatic Sea, the Bay of Kotor, Bulgaria and Old Serbia, between Herzegovina, Lake Ohrid, Elbasan and Durrës. It now forms the entirety of High Albania, part of Herzegovina, Bosnia and Old Serbia.
It is about 51.3 leagues long and about 30.8 leagues wide, which makes about 1,580 square leagues. It has a population of about 320,000 souls, of whom 74,000 fighters and 5,400 cavalry.
The country is covered in mountains and steep cliffs, gorges and regions that are so inaccessible that from ancient times up to the present, no armed force has been able to penetrate them.
I do not wish to go into topographical details about the country because it is too vast a subject and would require much more careful and special treatment. I would just like to note that it is very difficult, if not impossible, to get an accurate idea of the nature of this country and of the frightening aspect of its mountains. Every step one takes, one encounters a fort, every stone is a defensive wall that nature created to stop men from advancing. In short, High Albania is a perfect natural fortress that no power has ever been able to conquer or subdue.
History tells us that the Romans, and even the Turks, were masters of this country. This is true, but in the sense of stipulations that fulfilled the needs of these tribes, and not by force of arms.
Ancient Holmia derives its name from a lofty mountain called Holm, situated in the tribal land of the Vasoyevich against the Turks of Kolashin.
Holmia is now divided into two parts. The first are the independent mountains comprising Montenegro and Brda (ancient Holmia). The second are the mountains dependent upon the Porte for their pastureland and markets, but who pay nothing to the Turks and govern themselves.
The people who now inhabit this country are of two different races: Albanian tribes and Slav tribes. The Albanian tribes or Skyptars are the descendents of Illir, son of Cadmus, King of the Phoenicians, who left his country on the arrival of the Israelites, travelled with this son and his people to settle on the banks of the Adriatic Sea, from Greece to Lake Shkodra, a position that they have held up to the present, without having altered their costumes and customs. Their language has also remained to the present day just as it was thirty-three centuries ago. This language bears no resemblance to languages to the north of it, except for technical terms and titles taken from their masters.
All the Albanians are Roman Catholic, but out of a dislike they have for the pope and the Latin language, they hold the clergy in low esteem and are little devoted to their religion.
The Slavic tribes inhabiting these high reaches are Ostrogoth Slavs who took over the country under King Sverlade and his son Ostrovoy or Ostroyl at the time of the Roman emperors Anastasius and Justin in 495. They are all of Greek Orthodox religion and are devoted to their faith to an almost fanatic extent, but the clergy has lost much of its original influence.

Source:[Manuscript discovered in the Archives of the Lazarist Community in Paris. Published in Bulletin de la Société Géographique de Paris, Paris 1841. Translated from the French by Robert Elsie.]

It`s an Prince. Should we belive to him?
 
What do you think guys, is one of yours.
 
Well, apparently In Serbian schools children learn that Albanians are descendants of Illyrians.
About Bosnian and our noble neighbors of FYROM i am not interesed.

More and more people in the world accept that Bosnians are descendants of Illyrians.

About Slavic Macedonians nobody believes that they are descendants of Ancient Macedonians.

Bosnians and Albanians are two most different people in the Balkans.

Bosnians have the highest percent I2a (over 50%) and Geg Albanians the smallest (Kosovo Albanians less than 3%).

If Bosnians are descedants of Illyrians, Albanians cannot be.
 
More and more people in the world accept that Bosnians are descendants of Illyrians.

About Slavic Macedonians nobody believes that they are descendants of Ancient Macedonians.

Bosnians and Albanians are two most different people in the Balkans.

Bosnians have the highest percent I2a (over 50%) and Geg Albanians the smallest (Kosovo Albanians less than 3%).

If Bosnians are descedants of Illyrians, Albanians cannot be.


Ok, everyone is free to dream.
But i am asking about your Prince.
He said to us that :
"The Albanian tribes or Skyptars are the descendents of Illir".
AND
"The Slavic tribes inhabiting these high reaches are Ostrogoth Slavs who took over the country under King Sverlade and his son Ostrovoy or Ostroyl at the time of the Roman emperors Anastasius and Justin in 495".


What do you think you about this? Is he wrong or right?
 
Is that so difficult to answer? No need to make long post, just simple answers.
 
Typical serb, respectful and nice to other people as always.:laughing:

So Gorgonzola and Albanapolis, is unnecessary insults and offended, and after baned by Big Brother just two simple questions and evrything is clear.

So Garrick, i'm very sorry that you did not continued the conversation it was pleasure to talk to you.
 
Bosnians and Albanians are two most different people in the Balkans.

Bosnians have the highest percent I2a (over 50%) and Geg Albanians the smallest (Kosovo Albanians less than 3%).

If Bosnians are descedants of Illyrians, Albanians cannot be.

Well this is awkward, someone takes the time to write on different posts how we can't know which type of haplogroup ancient people were exactly, or even they might have had different ones (illyria was a huge territory), and there is always gonna be someone saying that they were only a specifik type of haplogroup.:embarassed:
 
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Gorgonzola, what do you think , my questions are difficult?
 
It is a beautiful expression of Roberto Benigni in one of his movies.

"Shhhttt, did you hear it?
No, what to hear?
Il silenzio
SILENCE".

HAHAHAHA
Beautifull movie.
 
Well this is awkward, someone takes the time to write on different posts how we can't know which type of haplogroup ancient people were exactly, or even they might have had different ones (illyria was a huge territory), and there is always gonna be someone saying that they were only a specifik type of haplogroup.:embarassed:

My opinion, this thread has been shown nothing, and this thread does not offer anything new and interesting.

Maybe the thread about Bosnians as descendants of Illyrians would be more interesting, personally I can open thread about Bosnians/Illyrians, I have enough of quality material but it would be good to open someone from Bosnia.
 
My opinion, this thread has been shown nothing, and this thread does not offer anything new and interesting.

Maybe the thread about Bosnians as descendants of Illyrians would be more interesting, personally I can open thread about Bosnians/Illyrians, I have enough of quality material but it would be good to open someone from Bosnia.

Sure, you serbs love Bosnian people. All the world know. You are very famous about your love for bosnian people.
But first show much more respect for Your Prince and make a comment about what he said.
 
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