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Illyrian-Albanian Continuity

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Ukaj, I guess you do not live in Albania? You live abroad right?
 
Sile said:
LOL, please stop your B.S.
Read what i presented from 2013 scholars

Loris who......stop the B.S and accept that latest findings from 2013 Scholars

You guys do not even agree between each other on what Shqiptars means.

Go organise yourselves and clear up your own language.......or are you a slav trying to deflect what these scholars say that albanoans arrived in serbia 200 years before the serbs?
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Thats interesting,that you say this,sile very funny man i would like to see these scholars?lol how baout you read this my friend,
1. Great Greek Encyclopedia Paul Drandaki , s.413 , vol.3 . This text signed by the Distinguished Professor of Byzantine History at the University of Athens K. Amman

I know my language thanks,I know it more than you.I can fill this whole lobby with modern scholars also.but to belive the one You want to believe to be the truth is to discriminate albanians of who they are go for it friend is ok,,,The albanians language uses 7 nasal vowels do you know what that means?no most likly not..albanians use all nasal vowels,upper lower back rounded etc,not to mention few of them are pre indo european,Albanian language pre dates 5ctry in present day albania,kosova,etc..so i would like to see these finding of what you say,,question for you..if albanians came in the 5thctry why an hell is their language full of diffrent people languages,such as thracian,,illyrian,dacian,ancient greek borrowed but not from modern day greeks,, This my friend doesnt make sence because you said early that illyrians were not around in 3ctry.make you mind uphow is this possiable when bosnians,serbians,an more dont have this in their language????,the illyrians were big part latinised an you can see this in the albanian language it was close to being assimulated into a romance language ...sile you want to debate with me that is cool.do you mind telling me your background?Oh loris castriota is scanderbegs blood of foggia iltalia,,The L.S. Stavrianos, history professor University Northwestern, the Greek version of the Great Greek Encyclopedia , vol.2 , pp. 120-122 , writes : " The Albanians are descendants of the ancient Illyrians . Albanians are among the most ancient peoples of Europe . The Albanian language belongs to the branch of thrakoillyriakon indogermanikis linguistic homosexual . Base of today's Albanians are the ancient Illyrian . Demetrius Kamarda ischolithi with alvanikin tongue and left by erudite studies , of which simantikoterai is Comparative Literature Essay on the Albanian language and the Annex, katadeiknyousai the intimate affinity Albanian to a Greek . "

Anthropologikai observations indicate that northern Albanians, Gheghis , to the north of the river GENUS ( Scooby ) is high, ypervrachykefaloi , with dark hair and eyes, while the southern Albanians, Tosca with the subdivision of Liapis , is much shorter in stature , less brachycephalic , with light colored hair and eyes . We omit other anthropological subdivisions and arkoumetha in Tas cited two highlights . Indicate that the Gheghis Dinarikin belong to the group of people with a high stature , which includes residents from the Eastern Alps to the Greek Pindos , ie extends on the vagaries of geology Dinaric Alps and extensions thereof. The above minomonefthenta anthropological traits Gheghis echaraktirisen French anthropologist Pittardos Illyrian , whereupon diakrinousin largely and Mafrovouniotas and Herzegovina , not less Bosniaks and Dalmatia and Croatia , who mixed with more Slavs . Whatever the Tomsk not have the pure the Illyrian anthropological evidence is also due to the development of these . Therefore, these Gheghis should be regarded as the gnisioteroi descendants of the Illyrians .
I find that interesting dont you,,,but one thing they got wrong is that the gheg albanians are more sandy hair,,an colour eyes,,,anyway what would they know sile,,you theory sounds more correct,,
 
my posts of 2013 by scholars and the dacian/moesian connection with Albanians has been around for a decade. the consensus is that albanians descent from the Carpi people of northern moldovia and changed their name after reaching modern Kosovo

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EOIhpIu8KAQC&pg=PA152&dq=carpi+albanian&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ES0OU6qdMYqwkAXOl4C4DA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=carpi%20albanian&f=false


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romanian_origins_map.PNG

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albanians_as_a_migrant_Dacian_people.png

so, the 2013 papers re-confirmed this fact that the Albanians descended from the carpi people.

Genetics state that they ( carpi) absorbed into their society the ancient remains of the E ydna Dardanians and to settle in these fertile plains. As E ydna is only in high numbers in modern serbia and Kosovo ( with less in macedonia and bulgaria).
 
Sile said:
my posts of 2013 by scholars and the dacian/moesian connection with Albanians has been around for a decade. the consensus is that albanians descent from the Carpi people of northern moldovia and changed their name after reaching modern Kosovo

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EOIhpIu8KAQC&pg=PA152&dq=carpi+albanian&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ES0OU6qdMYqwkAXOl4C4DA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=carpi%20albanian&f=false


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romanian_origins_map.PNG

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albanians_as_a_migrant_Dacian_people.png

so, the 2013 papers re-confirmed this fact that the Albanians descended from the carpi people.

Genetics state that they ( carpi) absorbed into their society the ancient remains of the E ydna Dardanians and to settle in these fertile plains. As E ydna is only in high numbers in modern serbia and Kosovo ( with less in macedonia and bulgaria).
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I am affraid i cannot agree with this theory. Albanian language most probably has its roots within Ev13 and J2b2 cohabitance and it was of course modified during its long history when newcomers were amalgamated. Albanian language has been influenced but still there are 700 expressions (if i remembr well) that are genuinely Albanian, that are not found in any other language arround Albanian. I believe that J2b2 were the "intelectuals" while the EV13 were the military elite and most probably the producers. R1b cna be the later arrivals but I do not think that they were the ones that brought their language with them. Albanian has persevered Latin and Turkish so some newcomers could not simply change it. But off course they have deffinitely added a lot to the lexicon of Albanian.
 
sile said:
my posts of 2013 by scholars and the dacian/moesian connection with albanians has been around for a decade. The consensus is that albanians descent from the carpi people of northern moldovia and changed their name after reaching modern kosovo

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=eoihpiu8kaqc&pg=pa152&dq=carpi+albanian&hl=en&sa=x&ei=es0ou6qdmyqwkaxol4c4da&ved=0ccsq6aewaa#v=onepage&q=carpi%20albanian&f=false


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:romanian_origins_map.png

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/file:albanians_as_a_migrant_dacian_people.png

so, the 2013 papers re-confirmed this fact that the albanians descended from the carpi people.

Genetics state that they ( carpi) absorbed into their society the ancient remains of the e ydna dardanians and to settle in these fertile plains. As e ydna is only in high numbers in modern serbia and kosovo ( with less in macedonia and bulgaria).
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loool wiki,,
 
Sile said:
my posts of 2013 by scholars and the dacian/moesian connection with Albanians has been around for a decade. the consensus is that albanians descent from the Carpi people of northern moldovia and changed their name after reaching modern Kosovo

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EOIhpIu8KAQC&pg=PA152&dq=carpi+albanian&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ES0OU6qdMYqwkAXOl4C4DA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=carpi%20albanian&f=false


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romanian_origins_map.PNG

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albanians_as_a_migrant_Dacian_people.png

so, the 2013 papers re-confirmed this fact that the Albanians descended from the carpi people.

Genetics state that they ( carpi) absorbed into their society the ancient remains of the E ydna Dardanians and to settle in these fertile plains. As E ydna is only in high numbers in modern serbia and Kosovo ( with less in macedonia and bulgaria).
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The original legend was that Slavs migrated from beyond Carpathian mountains and that Serbs settled Kosovo. If that what you're saying is true, that would mean that todays E-V13 Kosovars and Albanians are the original Serbs who came on Balkans in 4-7 century? Maybe it's just a mistaken identity in history books?

As they were partly Slavicized later, that would imply native I2a Illyrians speaking some Slavic language during the arrival of E-V13 "Serbs" on Kosovo?
 
FBS said:
Arben is Gheg version of Arbër. If you know Albanian, as you claim, you would know the difference between the two due to rhotacism in Tosk dialect.
Arben or Arbër is used as a personal male name among Kosovars same as Serbs use the name Srbislav for e.g.
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You should've said this in the previous post. But you wrote only Arben to try to make a connection with a celtic word ben(according to you) that means mountain. Ben doesn't mean moutain in albanian. The albanian word for mountain is mal. Arben or Arber, either way, i don't see the connection between these two words and the word alb which is derived from latin albus which means white. The point is that alb doesn't mean anything in the albanian language. The name of the tribe was albanoi, not arbanoi. The word albanoi is not made up only of the word alba. It's made up of two words, alba and noi. Noi doesn't mean anything in albanian either. Alba and noi mean something in vlach. Alba means white and noi means we. Noi can also mean the word us, depending how it's used. For example. omu esti cu noi, means that man is with us
 
I remember reading this book titled "Eposi i Kreshnikeve" (Pantheon of the Titans/Demi-Gods), a collection of orally transmitted folk stories from North-Albania. One of these stories talks about 2 nobles dueling, one was christian and sent by a Kralj, the other muslim and sent by the Sultan. After a few hours of consuming their weapons, it came down to wrestling. And in the action they discovered that they were wearing 2 versions of the same amulet around their neck; so they were brothers and they were both Albanian. The collection was published in the 1950-s (way before E-v13 was discovered), and who knows for how long it was trasmitted orally through songs in the Mountains.
 
Ike said:
The original legend was that Slavs migrated from beyond Carpathian mountains and that Serbs settled Kosovo. If that what you're saying is true, that would mean that todays E-V13 Kosovars and Albanians are the original Serbs who came on Balkans in 4-7 century? Maybe it's just a mistaken identity in history books?

As they were partly Slavicized later, that would imply native I2a Illyrians speaking some Slavic language during the arrival of E-V13 "Serbs" on Kosovo?
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E-V13 is much older in the balkans then the slavs migrated. So its the other way around, the E-V13 in serbia are original Albanians that were slavicnised. I would say the 12a slavs arrived to the balkans with serbs.
 
Luan said:
E-V13 is much older in the balkans then the slavs migrated. So its the other way around, the E-V13 in serbia are original Albanians that were slavicnised. I would say the 12a slavs arrived to the balkans with serbs.
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Even if you're right you don't know who much E-V13 is local and how much came with Slavs. Serbs could have brought as much as 10 to 15 percent of E-V13. E-V13 doesn't belong to Albanians only.
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There is also a possibility that if proto-Albanians migrated from north then they acquired most of E-V13 from conquered locals of non-albanian ethnicity.
After 10k years of building civilization in Europe we all come from mixed populations and ethnicities. There are no easy labels or categories.
 
LeBrok said:
Even if you're right you don't know who much E-V13 is local and how much came with Slavs. Serbs could have brought as much as 10 to 15 percent of E-V13. E-V13 doesn't belong to Albanians only.
Haplogroup-E-V13.gif


There is also a possibility that if proto-Albanians migrated from north then they acquired most of E-V13 from conquered locals of non-albanian ethnicity.
After 10k years of building civilization in Europe we all come from mixed populations and ethnicities. There are no easy labels or categories.
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I agree, but never said E-V13 belongs to Albanians only. The ones in Serbia might be, even now there are big Albanian population. E-V13 was found in spain, and huge percent in Greece not Albanian. I just dont agree with Ike.
 
ukaj said:
loool wiki,,
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I included maps, because some people cannot read the other attachment, but they like looking at pictures...............enjoy
 
Ike said:
The original legend was that Slavs migrated from beyond Carpathian mountains and that Serbs settled Kosovo. If that what you're saying is true, that would mean that todays E-V13 Kosovars and Albanians are the original Serbs who came on Balkans in 4-7 century? Maybe it's just a mistaken identity in history books?

As they were partly Slavicized later, that would imply native I2a Illyrians speaking some Slavic language during the arrival of E-V13 "Serbs" on Kosovo?
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depends who got there first...............but serbs also settled in coastal albania and these became albanized over time.

original serbs mixed with thracian triballi people who where basically in western bulgaria.

The 2013 paper, clearly states that the carpi/albanians got to moesian area at least 2 hundred years before the slavs, but triballi where there and closeby before the albanians arrived. I conclude that these albanians where pushed in between the illyrians and thracians..basically were the dardanians once lived. They would not have been great in number.
 
Luan said:
E-V13 is much older in the balkans then the slavs migrated. So its the other way around, the E-V13 in serbia are original Albanians that were slavicnised. I would say the 12a slavs arrived to the balkans with serbs.
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most likely original E-v13 where thracians, dardanians and macedonians and the migrating albanians and slavs absorbed these E tribes/people
 
Sile said:
I conclude that these albanians where pushed in between the illyrians and thracians..basically were the dardanians once lived. They would not have been great in number.
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Sile said:
most likely original E-v13 where thracians, dardanians and macedonians and the migrating albanians and slavs absorbed these E tribes/people
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So Albanians were small, came out of nowhere and absorbed thracians, dardanians, and macedonians (thracians alone were considered the second most populous people after indians). lol. You must be a comedian.
 
kamani said:
So Albanians were small, came out of nowhere and absorbed thracians, dardanians, and macedonians (thracians alone were considered the second most populous people after indians). lol. You must be a comedian.
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Yes , part absorbed these above tribes or part of tribes.........remember there was no nations in those times only chieftains and kings.

you think a small group cannot absorb a big group ( or many smaller groups ) slowly?..........the small goth nation absorbed many tribes in the area of the black sea...and once too big and being pressured by the huns from the east decided to invade Roman lands for re-settlement
 
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