Illyrian-Albanian Continuity

[FBS]

You should've said this in the previous post. But you wrote only Arben to try to make a connection with a celtic word ben(according to you) that means mountain. Ben doesn't mean moutain in albanian. The albanian word for mountain is mal. Arben or Arber, either way, i don't see the connection between these two words and the word alb which is derived from latin albus which means white. The point is that alb doesn't mean anything in the albanian language. The name of the tribe was albanoi, not arbanoi. The word albanoi is not made up only of the word alba. It's made up of two words, alba and noi. Noi doesn't mean anything in albanian either. Alba and noi mean something in vlach. Alba means white and noi means we. Noi can also mean the word us, depending how it's used. For example. omu esti cu noi, means that man is with us

I never said that Ben is Albanian word, it is Celtic version for mountain as in Ben Nevis for eg. My deduction came from the claims (you can find it in a lot of historian books) that Dardanians were Illyrians who were influenced by Celts among others, and Dardanians were most probably predecessors of Gheg since Gheg are the Northern Albanians. Gheg dialect (till Enver Hoxhas time) was the principal dialect that was written and it had influenced the Tosk, but still Tosk retained its rhotacism. So Arben is "original" version of Arbër that originated from the Gheg speakers then modified due to local dialects. So there are a lot of versions of it from Arben - to Arbën - to Arbër - Arvan - to Alvan - to Alban - to Arnavut.

I am trying myself to sort out the mystery of the name of Albanians, and I realized that all our names are linked to highlands, like Scots of UK we bore the name with the pride, and still this can be seen today.Please bear in mind that we are all guessing here, none of us have any solid proof for any claims.

I do not understand your "hostility" in your post towards my posts though ...

 

[Ike]

E-V13 is much older in the balkans then the slavs migrated. So its the other way around, the E-V13 in serbia are original Albanians that were slavicnised. I would say the 12a slavs arrived to the balkans with serbs.

It is also much older than the times Albanians occurred. Yes, it may be that Slavs assimilated local E-V13 , but it also happened that Albanians assimilated local Serbian E-V13 (+ R1a + I2a) afterwards. For example an unknown guy that came from north (assumed todays Herzegovina) and had 6 sons from which:

- Ozro => Ozrinich (Ozrinić) - Serbian tribe
- Pipo => Piperi - Serbian tribe
- Vasa => Vasojevich (Vasojević) - Serbian tribe
- Krasa => Krasnichi (Krasnić) - Albanian tribe
- Oto => Hoti - Albanian tribe
- Bono

There are many more examples. If you like, you can go down ask Montenegrins or read their stuff (like this) about cousin relations between Montenegrins and Albanians. They were crazy for that ancestry stuff almost like Jews and they have family trees going back V-VIII centuries. They know their blood relations much better than rest of Slavs. So before rushing into statements, be aware that Serbian Slobodan Milosevich from Vasojevich tribe, and todays Krasnichi that make most of Kosovar Albanian population are blood brothers from very recent past. For example, famous Serbian noble clan of Orlovich is also E-V13. It is no secret that many Albanian families were Bosnian/Serbian.Herzegovian and spoke Slavic language some X centuries ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tribes_of_Albania



Anyway, old Montenegrins claim next. Whether it is true I don't know.

" The Albanian tribes or Skyptars are the descendents of Illir, son of Cadmus, King of the Phoenicians, who left his country on the arrival of the Israelites, travelled with this son and his people to settle on the banks of the Adriatic Sea, from Greece to Lake Shkodra, a position that they have held up to the present, without having altered their costumes and customs. Their language has also remained to the present day just as it was thirty-three centuries ago. This language bears no resemblance to languages to the north of it, except for technical terms and titles taken from their masters."





Next to the theory Le Brok proposed, there is also a possibility that part of E-V13 or J2 was introduced from the North (Wallachia or beyond ) sometimes in AD with a:

1. separate Albanian migration
2. mutual Slavic-Albanian migration
3. Slavic migration in which E-V13 or J2 that came where already Slavicized millenniums ago

 

[kamani]

Yes , part absorbed these above tribes or part of tribes.........remember there was no nations in those times only chieftains and kings.

you think a small group cannot absorb a big group ( or many smaller groups ) slowly?..........the small goth nation absorbed many tribes in the area of the black sea...and once too big and being pressured by the huns from the east decided to invade Roman lands for re-settlement

Right, next thing me and my cousins will get on our horses and start conquering, like Alexander the Great yo.

 

[Sile]

It is also much older than the times Albanians occurred. Yes, it may be that Slavs assimilated local E-V13 , but it also happened that Albanians assimilated local Serbian E-V13 (+ R1a + I2a) afterwards. For example an unknown guy that came from north (assumed todays Herzegovina) and had 6 sons from which:

- Ozro => Ozrinich (Ozrinić) - Serbian tribe
- Pipo => Piperi - Serbian tribe
- Vasa => Vasojevich (Vasojević) - Serbian tribe
- Krasa => Krasnichi (Krasnić) - Albanian tribe
- Oto => Hoti - Albanian tribe
- Bono

There are many more examples. If you like, you can go down ask Montenegrins or read their stuff (like this) about cousin relations between Montenegrins and Albanians. They were crazy for that ancestry stuff almost like Jews and they have family trees going back V-VIII centuries. They know their blood relations much better than rest of Slavs. So before rushing into statements, be aware that Serbian Slobodan Milosevich from Vasojevich tribe, and todays Krasnichi that make most of Kosovar Albanian population are blood brothers from very recent past. For example, famous Serbian noble clan of Orlovich is also E-V13. It is no secret that many Albanian families were Bosnian/Serbian.Herzegovian and spoke Slavic language some X centuries ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tribes_of_Albania



Anyway, old Montenegrins claim next. Whether it is true I don't know.

" The Albanian tribes or Skyptars are the descendents of Illir, son of Cadmus, King of the Phoenicians, who left his country on the arrival of the Israelites, travelled with this son and his people to settle on the banks of the Adriatic Sea, from Greece to Lake Shkodra, a position that they have held up to the present, without having altered their costumes and customs. Their language has also remained to the present day just as it was thirty-three centuries ago. This language bears no resemblance to languages to the north of it, except for technical terms and titles taken from their masters."





Next to the theory Le Brok proposed, there is also a possibility that part of E-V13 or J2 was introduced from the North (Wallachia or beyond ) sometimes in AD with a:

1. separate Albanian migration
2. mutual Slavic-Albanian migration
3. Slavic migration in which E-V13 or J2 that came where already Slavicized millenniums ago

interesting that in your link of the tribes of albanians, the map has no tribe meeting the adriatic sea

 

[Sile]

Right, next thing me and my cousins will get on our horses and start conquering, like Alexander the Great yo.

People like you bring me back time after time to this forum, I am amazed by your simplicity
regards

 

[Ike]

interesting that in your link of the tribes of albanians, the map has no tribe meeting the adriatic sea

There are also other theories. There is a vast list of "forgotten" ethnicities of Balkans like Vlachs, Karavlachs, Aromanians, Cincars, etc. All of them are half-Latinized probably indigenous people of undeciphered origin. One can read more about it here: http://www.theodora.com/encyclopedia/v/vlachs.html


For example Aromanians or Wallachs (the name they've been called in Macedonia, doesn't necessarily mean that they were related to peoples that were called Wallachs on other territories) :

Benjamin of Tuleda wrote:

"From there it is a day's journey to Sinon Potamo, where there are about fifty Jews, at their head being R. Solomon and R. Jacob. The city is situation at the foot of the hills of Wallachia. The nation called Wallachians live in those mountains. They are as swift as hinds, and they sweep down from the mountains to despoil and ravage the land of Greece. No man can go up and do battle against them, and no king can rule over them. They do not hold fast to the faith of the Nazarenes, but give themselves Jewish names. Some people say that they are Jews and, in fact, they call the Jews their brethren, and when they meet with them, though they rob them, they refrain from killing them as they kill the Greeks. They are altogether lawless."

From the writings we can see that those are mountain people that don't come down to valleys unless necessary.

Picture of Macedonian Vlachs circa 1914 taken from here.

It may very well be that these Wallachians were the bearers of the part of Albanian linguistic identity. After all they were scattered across the whole Balkans. Some of it attested all the way down to Athens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wallachia

 

[ukaj]

It is also much older than the times Albanians occurred. Yes, it may be that Slavs assimilated local E-V13 , but it also happened that Albanians assimilated local Serbian E-V13 (+ R1a + I2a) afterwards. For example an unknown guy that came from north (assumed todays Herzegovina) and had 6 sons from which:

- Ozro => Ozrinich (Ozrinić) - Serbian tribe
- Pipo => Piperi - Serbian tribe
- Vasa => Vasojevich (Vasojević) - Serbian tribe
- Krasa => Krasnichi (Krasnić) - Albanian tribe
- Oto => Hoti - Albanian tribe
- Bono

There are many more examples. If you like, you can go down ask Montenegrins or read their stuff (like this) about cousin relations between Montenegrins and Albanians. They were crazy for that ancestry stuff almost like Jews and they have family trees going back V-VIII centuries. They know their blood relations much better than rest of Slavs. So before rushing into statements, be aware that Serbian Slobodan Milosevich from Vasojevich tribe, and todays Krasnichi that make most of Kosovar Albanian population are blood brothers from very recent past. For example, famous Serbian noble clan of Orlovich is also E-V13. It is no secret that many Albanian families were Bosnian/Serbian.Herzegovian and spoke Slavic language some X centuries ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tribes_of_Albania



Anyway, old Montenegrins claim next. Whether it is true I don't know.

" The Albanian tribes or Skyptars are the descendents of Illir, son of Cadmus, King of the Phoenicians, who left his country on the arrival of the Israelites, travelled with this son and his people to settle on the banks of the Adriatic Sea, from Greece to Lake Shkodra, a position that they have held up to the present, without having altered their costumes and customs. Their language has also remained to the present day just as it was thirty-three centuries ago. This language bears no resemblance to languages to the north of it, except for technical terms and titles taken from their masters."





Next to the theory Le Brok proposed, there is also a possibility that part of E-V13 or J2 was introduced from the North (Wallachia or beyond ) sometimes in AD with a:

1. separate Albanian migration
2. mutual Slavic-Albanian migration
3. Slavic migration in which E-V13 or J2 that came where already Slavicized millenniums ago

Ok le me begin on this theory,,
]krasncichi,is from tribe of hoti,vaschechi also tribe of hoti,piperi also hoti,,these tribes are from balshi,this has been argued with the serbian who claimed this,,let me ask,,why does some of vaschechi tribe still excist in shkodra whom speak albanian,99 percent of all these tribes speak albanian they are malesia albanians,the vaschechi tribe are assimulated albanians whom were catholics in the 1600,krasnichi tribe is the bitter foe of vaschechi because they turned orthodox slav,
many albanians of north albania have some slavic names but that my friend doesnt mean they are slavnics,an as for milosovic from vaschechit tribe,yes is true an i know he is related to albanian family in shkodra pemati family,vaschechi,an all other albanian tribes freed montenegro from ottmans,kelmendi,shoshi,mirdita,hoti all are related,so vaso as you have said,is not vaso,it is vaschechi,an its kraschechi,all of kraschechi tribe speak complete albanian an the rest of hoti,an they were catholics the same time as vaschechi.NOT TO MENTION THE VASCHECHI TRIBE OF MONTENEGRO PLAY THE LAHUTA,the northern albanian instrument played by all tribes of albanians,so my thought of this is vaschechi were catholic albanians assimulated to orthodx slav,WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE PROPAGANDA WHO CAME UP WITH THIS THEORY IS ,ALL ALBANIAN CATHOLIC TRIBES PAY THE LAHUTA, AN SLAV TRIBES ONLY ONE AN THAT IS VASCHECHI TRIBE AN THEY WERE CATHOLIC SHQIPTAR,I would like to see 1 serbian tribe who is not from vaschechi tribe to show me them palying the lahuta an sing same way as northern tribes?no one cant

 

[kamani]

People like you bring me back time after time to this forum, I am amazed by your simplicity
regards

and I'm amazed by your capacity to believe that BS flies.

 

[ukaj]

The original legend was that Slavs migrated from beyond Carpathian mountains and that Serbs settled Kosovo. If that what you're saying is true, that would mean that todays E-V13 Kosovars and Albanians are the original Serbs who came on Balkans in 4-7 century? Maybe it's just a mistaken identity in history books?

As they were partly Slavicized later, that would imply native I2a Illyrians speaking some Slavic language during the arrival of E-V13 "Serbs" on Kosovo?

ike hear is something for you.balstic house.

 

[ukaj]

These are some facts about albanians an tribes they belong to..That serbians say are slav tribes,,,

 

[ukaj]

something interesting

View attachment 6275 These are some facts about albanians an tribes they belong to..That serbians say are slav tribes,,,

im sure some slavs will see these emblems,this is where krasnichi tribe is from along with vaschechi an all of hoti

 

[ukaj]

View attachment 6276 im sure some slavs will see these emblems,this is where krasnichi tribe is from along with vaschechi an all of hoti

these are tribes that slavnic belive are serbians,lol but little didnt they know the vatican an others had wrote it down along with the coins that is clearly albanian,,this is a motivation of slavnics to gain land,,sorry to offend,but clearly the names on coins with emblems are albanian,,the slavnic name for these is [h=1]Balšić noble family,clearly not.[/h]

 

[Ike]

Ok le me begin on this theory,,
]krasncichi,is from tribe of hoti,vaschechi also tribe of hoti,piperi also hoti,,these tribes are from balshi,this has been argued with the serbian who claimed this,,let me ask,,why does some of vaschechi tribe still excist in shkodra

Maybe because Skadar was a capitol of Serbian medieval state?

whom speak albanian,99 percent of all these tribes speak albanian they are malesia albanians,the vaschechi tribe are assimulated albanians whom were catholics in the 1600,krasnichi tribe is the bitter foe of vaschechi because they turned orthodox slav,

:facepalm:
How can one turn Orthodox Slav?! Anyway, they were all Christian, the conflict started when some tribes turned Muslim.

many albanians of north albania have some slavic names but that my friend doesnt mean they are slavnics,

Neither does it mean they are Albanian

an as for milosovic from vaschechit tribe,yes is true an i know he is related to albanian family in shkodra pemati family,vaschechi,an all other albanian tribes freed montenegro from ottmans,kelmendi,shoshi,mirdita,hoti all are related,so vaso as you have said,is not vaso,it is vaschechi,an its kraschechi,all of kraschechi tribe speak complete albanian an the rest of hoti,an they were catholics the same time as vaschechi.

Intersting theory. I'd say you go and present it to Montenegrins...

NOT TO MENTION THE VASCHECHI TRIBE OF MONTENEGRO PLAY THE LAHUTA,the northern albanian instrument played by all tribes of albanians,so my thought of this is vaschechi were catholic albanians assimulated to orthodx slav, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE PROPAGANDA WHO CAME UP WITH THIS THEORY IS ,ALL ALBANIAN CATHOLIC TRIBES PAY THE LAHUTA, AN SLAV TRIBES ONLY ONE AN THAT IS VASCHECHI TRIBE AN THEY WERE CATHOLIC SHQIPTAR,I would like to see 1 serbian tribe who is not from vaschechi tribe to show me them palying the lahuta an sing same way as northern tribes?no one cant

:double facepalm:
Gusle an Albanian instrument? Seriously dude? Are you really so much uninformed or what?
To show you one Serbian tribe which plays gusle? Why Serbian? Here you go Croatian:

BTW, it would be nice to give your material in English. I really doubt that much people here knows Albanian that well to read their books.



As for your theories about Albanian origin of Balsić family, once again I say, go to Montenegro and present it to the Balsic's themselves. You're making yourself smart here on some EU forum, with people that know nothing about Balsic family. They, themselves believe to be of French origin:

" Porodica Balšic je u Zetu došla krajem 13. vijeka (1272-1280), i to iz Francuske (Provansa). Pripadali su aristokratskom staležu, a njihovo prezime bilo je de Во (de Bau-ldž ili de Baudž). Balšići u Zetu dolaze u vrijeme kada u njoj stalno boravi srpska kraljica Jelena, žena kralja Uroša I, koja je bila francuska princeza."

"Family BALŠIĆ came to the Zeta at the end of the 13th century (1272-1280), from France (Provence). They belonged to the aristocratic class, and their family name was de Vaud (de Bau-LDZ or de Baudž). Balšići came to Zeta at the time of queen Helen of Anjou, a French princess and wife of Serbian King Uros I."

Taken from Historical Lexicon of Montenegro, and originally posted here:
http://www.montenegrina.net/pages/pages1/istorija/balsici/balsici_andrijasevic_rastoder.htm

 

[Sile]

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[Sile]

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The dorian area of albania was eventually replaced by slavs and then albanized by albanians. The serb slavs also held much of modern Montenegro, provinces like Hum and Zeta

 

[ukaj]

Maybe because Skadar was a capitol of Serbian medieval state?



:facepalm:
How can one turn Orthodox Slav?! Anyway, they were all Christian, the conflict started when some tribes turned Muslim.



Neither does it mean they are Albanian


Intersting theory. I'd say you go and present it to Montenegrins...



:double facepalm:
Gusle an Albanian instrument? Seriously dude? Are you really so much uninformed or what?
To show you one Serbian tribe which plays gusle? Why Serbian? Here you go Croatian:

BTW, it would be nice to give your material in English. I really doubt that much people here knows Albanian that well to read their books.



As for your theories about Albanian origin of Balsić family, once again I say, go to Montenegro and present it to the Balsic's themselves. You're making yourself smart here on some EU forum, with people that know nothing about Balsic family. They, themselves believe to be of French origin:

" Porodica Balšic je u Zetu došla krajem 13. vijeka (1272-1280), i to iz Francuske (Provansa). Pripadali su aristokratskom staležu, a njihovo prezime bilo je de Во (de Bau-ldž ili de Baudž). Balšići u Zetu dolaze u vrijeme kada u njoj stalno boravi srpska kraljica Jelena, žena kralja Uroša I, koja je bila francuska princeza."

"Family BALŠIĆ came to the Zeta at the end of the 13th century (1272-1280), from France (Provence). They belonged to the aristocratic class, and their family name was de Vaud (de Bau-LDZ or de Baudž). Balšići came to Zeta at the time of queen Helen of Anjou, a French princess and wife of Serbian King Uros I."

Taken from Historical Lexicon of Montenegro, and originally posted here:
http://www.montenegrina.net/pages/pages1/istorija/balsici/balsici_andrijasevic_rastoder.htm

the lahuta is only in northern albanian tribes,an this man you show is from vaschechi tribe,I know my tribes an the history of them more than you,,its not a theory every albanian tribes know this,,an know they didnt come from france it is a theory they belive the family could be albanian-areomanian.roman albanian,then slav.but i post coins written in albanian an the emblem of balsic family..go to monetenegro mal i zi is what we call montenegro the go to ulqin means wolf in albanian an see for yourself the people their they are mostly albanian,,
slav kingdom?interesting their was a slav kingdom in macedonia aswell an towards romanians land also.all by the yugoslavain empire,look in 1100s yugoslavia wasnt even in present day kosova it was above until bulgarian empire ..

 

[ukaj]

http://youtu.be/r5TVg4L-8PI rugova albanians kelmendi kosova

 

[ukaj]

Maybe because Skadar was a capitol of Serbian medieval state?



:facepalm:
How can one turn Orthodox Slav?! Anyway, they were all Christian, the conflict started when some tribes turned Muslim.



Neither does it mean they are Albanian


Intersting theory. I'd say you go and present it to Montenegrins...



:double facepalm:
Gusle an Albanian instrument? Seriously dude? Are you really so much uninformed or what?
To show you one Serbian tribe which plays gusle? Why Serbian? Here you go Croatian:

BTW, it would be nice to give your material in English. I really doubt that much people here knows Albanian that well to read their books.



As for your theories about Albanian origin of Balsić family, once again I say, go to Montenegro and present it to the Balsic's themselves. You're making yourself smart here on some EU forum, with people that know nothing about Balsic family. They, themselves believe to be of French origin:

" Porodica Balšic je u Zetu došla krajem 13. vijeka (1272-1280), i to iz Francuske (Provansa). Pripadali su aristokratskom staležu, a njihovo prezime bilo je de Во (de Bau-ldž ili de Baudž). Balšići u Zetu dolaze u vrijeme kada u njoj stalno boravi srpska kraljica Jelena, žena kralja Uroša I, koja je bila francuska princeza."

"Family BALŠIĆ came to the Zeta at the end of the 13th century (1272-1280), from France (Provence). They belonged to the aristocratic class, and their family name was de Vaud (de Bau-LDZ or de Baudž). Balšići came to Zeta at the time of queen Helen of Anjou, a French princess and wife of Serbian King Uros I."

Taken from Historical Lexicon of Montenegro, and originally posted here:
http://www.montenegrina.net/pages/pages1/istorija/balsici/balsici_andrijasevic_rastoder.htm

]http://youtu.be/r5TVg4L-8PI rugova albanians kelmendi kosova,the head on the lahuta the goat is a symbol of respect to scanderbeg.search about the goat in illyrian people.http://youtu.be/dMlgRE4QfVo shkodra tribe of vaschechi whom some still speak albanian this is hoti tribe..http://youtu.be/zNTe7qkIZ8g dukagjinit region also playing lahuta at 11.37.,,In the 9^th century, it was in the Dyrrhachium theme, of the Byzantine Empire. In 1010, Tsar Samuel of Bulgaria (r. 997-1014†) failed to conquer the town during the war against the Byzantines. By 1040, archon Stefan Vojislav conquered the region. In 1183, Grand Prince Stefan Nemanja conquered Olcinium and the town prospered as one of the most significant coastal towns. Ulcinj remained in Nemanjić hands in their Kingdom and Empire, and after the death of Emperor Dušan (r. 1331-1355†), the region, known as Lower Zeta, was under the supervision of gospodin Žarko, a voivode of Emperor Uroš the Weak until his death in 1360. Žarko's lands were then held by the Balšić family. Under Balšić control, Ulcinj continued to be an important town and also minted coins. The Balšić Tower in the upper part of the Old Town was built by the Zetans in the late 14th century.As you can see their were people living their before hand.. click on link with balsic family..lol they were albanians not slav,,again,i gave you pictures of the names on coins the coat of arms etc..just another attempt of propaganda towards albanians.The Balšić family was first mentioned in a charter of Emperor Stephen Uroš V of Serbia, dated 29 September 1360. Due to sources having nothing reliable to say about their ancestors, there has been speculation on their origin, which some deem unknown.^[1][2] Apart from Mavro Orbini's tale, there are really no other accounts on their origin.^[3] They have been theorized to be of Vlach, Albanian, Serbian, or French origin.^[4
LET ME ASK YOU THIS.SHOSHI,DUKAGJINI,KELMENDI,MIRDITA,KRASNICHI,ALL MALESIA TRIBES WHY ARE ALL ALBANIANS AN SPEAKING THE GHEG DILECT WITCH IS UNKOWN LANGUAGE TO ALL NONE ALBANIANS,,AN WHY ARE ALL CATHOLICS,AN WHY ALL USE THE LAHUTA,AN WHY IN ALL ALBANIAN TRIBES WE ALL KNOW VASCHECHI WERE ALBANIAN CATHOLICS.WHY IN 1912 MY TRIBE DESTROYED THE OTTOMANS IN MONTENEGRO? PLEASE,,STOP LOOL,,You posted before hoti are slavs when all of hoti apart from vaschechi speak albanian although i know alost of vaschechgi tribe didnt fully assimulated an they live in shkodra an still speak albanian,,,so thiers your answer right their.

 

[Ike]

the lahuta is only in northern albanian tribes,an this man you show is from vaschechi tribe,I know my tribes an the history of them more than you,

Why are you making such stupid statements? That guy is Croat, born far from Montenegro and Albania. How can he be from Vasojevich tribe?!

I'm not going to argue with you anymore about gusle instrument. For those who want to see more you can take a glimpse at this blog about Guslars of Croatia: http://hrvatskiguslari.blogspot.com/

 

[Nobody1]

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The dorian area of albania was eventually replaced by slavs and then albanized by albanians. The serb slavs also held much of modern Montenegro, provinces like Hum and Zeta

The Hellenic coast (colonies/expansion) was already under extreme attack/presssure by the Illyrians in the late 3rd cen BC; Queen Teuta led a campaign against Epidamnus, Corcyra (Corfu) and Apollonia and the crushing Illyrian victory over the Achaean/Aetolian league led to the taking of Corfu and successive siege of Epidamnus;

Polybius II/X
The Illyrians lashed their boats together in batches of four and thus engaged the enemy. They sacrificed their own boats, presenting them broadside to their adversaries in a position favouring their charge, but when the enemy's ships had charged and struck them and getting fixed in them, found themselves in difficulties, as in each case the four boats lashed together were hanging on to their beaks, the marines leapt on to the decks of the Achaean ships and overmastered them by their numbers. In this way they captured four quadriremes and sunk with all hands a quinquereme, on board of which was Margus of Keryneia, a man who up to the end served the Achaeans most loyally. The ships that were engaged with the Acarnanians, seeing the success of the Illyrians, and trusting to their speed, made sail with a fair wind and escaped home in safety....The Illyrian forces, highly elated by their success, continued the siege with more security and confidence, and the Corcyreans, whose hopes were crushed by the repulse of their allies, after enduring the siege for a short time longer, came to terms with the Illyrians....After this the Illyrian commanders at once sailed off and coming to anchor at Epidamnus, again set themselves to besiege that city.

This ultimately led to the Roman intervention - and the Illyrian Parthini who dwelled in the hinterland (not coast) of the Greek colonies (Epidamnus/Apollonia) allied themselves with Rome; And after the 2nd Punic-war and during the 2nd cen BC the Romans took control over the entire Epidamian-coast (Greek colonies) and the entire Epidamnian-hinterland (Illyrian tribes);

What is interesting is that in throughout all Antiquity the Epidamian (Illyrian tribal) area remained under strong Hellenic influence and all north of Lissos was than stronger under Roman/Latin influence;

Jireček-Line -