I may get slammed for this, but here goes. *Deep breath*
Gaijin 06 said:
Tsuyoiko said:
Is it really great news and a good result?
sadakoyamamura said:
I think we ought to hear both sides of any story so we could think about its merits or demerits as thoroughly as we can.
I agree.
Kiinsao said:
I don't see why religious people get their horns in a knot over evolution. Couldn't God have caused evolution to happen, too?
No. And he didn't cause evolution to happen as, natural evolution, as we are led to believe couldn't possibly have happened based on alternative research which the mainstream academics refuse to acknowledge or even accept on the outside, (as they know the real truth). Much like the religious leaders and "scientists" in Galileo's day when he tried to prove that the earth revolved around the sun and not vice-versa.
Gaijin 06 said:
Teach creationism in religious studies, or history - not science.
On the contrary, as you will see, if you care to read some very well done research, complete with facts, it should be taught as a science AND history! It may not happen in our day, but it seems to be moving in that direction with the introduction of ID.
Revenant said:
Hitting the forums a couple years ago was a shock, and I slowly moved away from the Fundamental Evangelical Protestantism that I had been raised on and became a liberal Christian, espousing the big bang as God's way of starting the world, and evolution all just a part of His plan.
Hit a few more pages like the link I provide below and you may just have a completely different perspective. It was not His plan and could never scientifically happen.
Other theological questions and an introduction to neuroscience and Buddhism eventually did my faith in. A troubled year, a confusing year for me this year was, but I do feel liberated. I will not let my son be seriously exposed to any religion or it's theories till he is old enough to actually question them. I think taking ID out of science is a great idea.
I completely understand your confusion as I went through the same thing and good for you in liberating yourself and for not allowing your son to be indoctrinated by false science, religion, and history. ID should be a science as that is how we were created. But we were not created by "Him" as we were led to believe. Myself included.
kumo said:
No, because what causes evolution to happen is natural selection and genetic mutations only, not god.
Wrong on both counts. Humans could not have possibly evolved on this planet. If that were the case we would not need sunscreen to shield our skin from the sun or sunglasses to protect our eyes. We would not need clothing and shelter nor warm ourselves from the cold winter or seek cool shade from mild summer heat. The fact is we are NOT native to this planet and never were. Unlike many of the mammels on this planet we are not adapted to this planet or it's climate and never were.
Tsuyoiko said:
I think they were seeking to indoctrinate young people against the fact of evolution.
The fact seems to be that evolution is an impossibility. If we evolved from the primates, there would be no primates on the planet. But there are and scientists are still at a loss to provide the "missing link." Does anyone see evolution occuring on this planet?
sabro said:
Science teachers should teach good science. I don't want my teachers delving into "pet" theories that aren't widely accepted by the scientific community.
A little research will show you that they are not "pet theories". And why should they be accepted by the scientific community when most of what "they" are teaching us is false anyway? Unless it falls into "their" curriculum, "they" will not look at any other research no matter how factual it may be. "They" do not want to upset their applecart of teaching us false history and keeping the truth from us about our actual origins. In all honesty, "They" know the truth, but do not want us to know it for fear that we may not be able to handle the truth. Religion and the world would be turned upside down by the truth.
What am I getting at here by the above quotes? I am getting at the fact that most of what we are being taught today is false science and history and not at all true. Where did we come from? ID is my answer. Was it by God? No it wasn't. Then who created us you may ask? One look at my avatar may give you a clue and that's the reason I use it. Crazy you say? Pachipro is really off his rocker this time. He must really believe all that SciFi he has been watching and reading, and believing all that alternative science he has been researching for 25+ years. Pachipro is a nut! Well, they said Galileo and others were nuts too.
Since just my word is not enough evidence for anyone to believe, I ask you to check out a website by an alternative researcher by the name of
Lloyd Pye and read his research on "Intervention" and some of his "Essays" about our true origins ( he lays waste to Darwins theories) with an open, but skeptical mind, and then tell me he is full of bunk. It's almost impossible to do. His slide shows, essays, and excellent research may have you just shaking your head and deciding to look in another direction for the answers to our true origins and questioning what we have really been taught in our schools and universities these past few hundred years.
Those with an open, inquisitive, searching for the truth mind, will devour his website from top to bottom looking for flaws. Pathological skeptics, or religious fundamentalists, will just ignore what he has written, much the same as the so called "scientists", learned people, and religious fundamentalists of the past did, blinding believing what those with letters and a university behind their names want us to believe.
All I'm doing here is offering another perspective which is probably more near the truth than anything we have been taught from our so-called learned professors and religious leaders. The truth will be revealed one of these days. Maybe that is why "they" are underhandingly tring to insert ID into the educational curriculum as too many people these days are slowly discovering the truth and are not happy that they have been kept in the dark all these years.
Thanks to the internet, The truth is out there, if you care and are not afraid to to read it with an open mind. Always be skeptical and make your own decision. A wise person will look at all perspectives before making a judgement.