Religion Islam: Conceptions and misconceptions

[Revenant]

Revanant, you'll have to quote those verses for me so I can give you an appropriate answer insha'Allah.

This is quoted from another forum. It is quite long.

The quran is littered with verses advocating hatred and killing, practically every chapter refers to slaughter and torture of non-believers. Here are a few samples, there are scores more. The muslim terrorist is following mohammed, allah, islam and the quran to the letter.

qur?fan 2:193 ?gFight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.

Force Everyone into submission to islam

qur?fan 2:246 ?gHe said: ?eWould you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you??f They said: ?eHow could we refuse to fight in allah?fs cause??f?h

Killing is prescribed by allah

qur?fan 3:154 ?gSay: ?eEven if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain.?h

You cannot escape your "kill and be killed" duty to allah, he has ordained that certain ones will be slaughtered

qur?fan 4:15 ?gIf any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death (by starvation) claims them.

This bit of hate helps to understand the muslim attitude to womens rights. If they upset you lock them in the house and starve them to death.

qur?fan 4:74 ?gLet those who fight in allah?fs cause sell this world?fs life for the hereafter. To him who fights in allah?fs cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward.?h

More of the same kill and be killed in allah's cause and get the little boys and virgins in the gardens of bliss.

qur?fan 4:75 ?gWhat reason have you that you should not fight in allah?fs cause??h

You have no reason not to kill and be killed etc.

qur?fan 4:76 ?gThose who believe fight in the cause of allah.?h

All muslims are believers, therefore all muslims are expected to slay in the cause of allah

qur?fan 4:77 ?gLord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory??h

Killing and war were ordained and made compulsory

qur?fan 4:84 ?gThen fight (mohammad) in allah?fs cause. Incite the believers to fight with you.?h

Kill in allah's cause, incite the muslim with the promise of the gardens of bliss

qur?fan 4:95 ?gNot equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in allah?fs cause with their wealth and lives. alah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward.?h

The killers are a grade higher than other muslims in allah's sight, they get a special reward.

qur?fan 5:41 ?gWhomever allah wants to deceive you cannot help. allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them."

Certain people have been ordained by allah for torture by muslims

qur?fan 7:3 ?gLittle do you remember my warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.?h

Terrorism has always been the modus-operandi of muslims

qur?fan 8:7 ?gallah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ?eWipe the infidels out to the last.?f?h

Kill all unbelievers

qur?fan 8:12 ?gYour lord inspired the angels with the message: ?ei am with you. Give firmness to the believers. i will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.?h

More of the torture and terrorise non-muslins

qur?fan 8:39 ?gFight them until all opposition ends and all submit to allah.?h

Kill untill everyone is subject to the islamic state

qur?fan 8:57 ?gIf you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.

Terrorise and use the most heinous methods possible against unbelievers

qur?fan 8:67 ?gIt is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.?h

Slaughtering people is preferable to taking prisoners

qur?fan 9:5 ?gWhen the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

More kill and torture

qur?fan 9:19 ?gDo you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the mosque, equal to those who fight in the cause of allah? They are not comparable in the sight of allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in allah?fs cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of allah.?h

Again allah regards killers and torturers as the best muslims

qur?fan 9:38 ?gbelievers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in allah?fs cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? Unless you go forth, he will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.?h

The muslim who does not want to kill will be punished by allah

qur?fan 9:111 ?gallah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the garden (of paradise). They fight in alah?fs cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed.?h

More murdering is the duty of muslims

qur?fan 9:112 ?gThe believers fight in allah?fs cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.?h

Same again more killing

qur?fan 9:123 ?gFight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.?h

And again kill, kill, kill.

qur?fan 24:34 ?gForce not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, allah is oft-forgiving.?h

This one's a beauty, if you want to rape someone, allah is forgiving.

qur?fan 24:6 ?gAnd for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by allah that he is the one speaking the truth.?h

Again women are nothing, men's testimony is 4 times higher than a womans.

qur?fan 33:26 ?gallah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And he made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. he gave you a country you had not traversed before.?h

Terrorism by muslims against the Jews began

qur?fan 47:4 ?gWhen you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting jihad in allah?fs cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by allah to continue carrying out jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to islam.

More hate, kill, torture, submit to islam doctrine

qur?fan 48:16 ?gSay (mohammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ?eYou shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.?h

More of, if you don't kill, kill, kill allah will punish you

qur?fan 61:2 ?gO muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of allah that you say that which you do not. Truly allah loves those who fight in his cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.?h

Again allah loves the murdering muslim

qur?fan 61:4 ?gSurely allah loves those who fight in his cause.?h

And again

qur?fan 86:13 ?gLo this (qur?fan) is a conclusive word; it is not a thing for amusement. It is no pleasantry. And it is no joke.?h

You better believe it brother.

 

[Mycernius]

Just a quick defence for Islam and the killing of non-believers. Remember that the Quran took its ideas from Jewish, Christian and pre-Islamic myths. (Before you start seeing red Eemaan, I will point out that I an also an atheist and do not believe in a book protected by God. Jews and Christians also believe this, so who is right?) As a fairly new religious set of beliefs led by Mohammad he sets out some guidelines to protect it from destruction from neighbouring tribes, he was at war at the time (I will have to check some of my history here, as it is a little rusty). Taking note from the previous religions that highly influenced Islam, he would have just incorporated the violence you can easily find in the Bible. Isn't sodomy an affront to God, punishable by death? "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", a quote not far from the 10 Commandments that "Thou shalt not kill". I'm sure a look through the Bible and Torah will find just as many violent passages. The poster wasn't Jarvis?:?

 

[kumo]

Dear Kumo, I won't pretend that I'm not extremely offended by your rude and tactless remarks, and am somewhat reluctant to respond to them, not because I can't, but because I don't want to rise to the bait because you are quite clearly looking for confrontation.

You are the one trying to defend a pedophile here, eemaan. If people here weren't blinded by their religious tolerance masks you would already be banned from this forum. I ask you again: would you let Muhammad rape your daughter? Very simple question, just say yes or no.

However I simply have to say to you that Aisha was not raped,

Yes she was, sex with children is rape by definition.

Muhammad (saw) was not a paedophile,

Yes he was, sex with children=paedophile. Again, pretty much definitional.

 

[eemaan]

Quote:qur’an 2:246 “He said: ‘Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?’ They said: ‘How could we refuse to fight in allah’s cause?’”
this is taken out of context, the rest of the verse reads as follows;
" 'How could we refuse to fight in Allahs cause while we have been driven out of our homes and our children have been taken as captives?' But when fighting was ordered for them, they turned away, all except a few of them."

What upright person would not fight to defend his family?

Quote:qur’an 3:154 “Say: ‘Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain.”

Again taken out of context the whole of the verse read as follows:

"Then after the distress, He sent down security upon you. Slumber overtook a party of you, while another party was thinking about themselves and thought wrongly of Allah-the thought of ignorance. They said, 'Have we any part in the affair?' Say (O Muhammad) 'Indeed the affair belongs wholly to Allah.' They hide within themselves what they dare not reveal to you, saying, 'If we had anything to do with the affair, none of us would have been killed here.' **Say: 'Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death,'** but Allah might test what is in your breasts; and to purify that which was in your hearts, and Allah is All Knower of what is in your hearts." This verse refers to the hypocrites who pretended to be Muslim.

Quote:qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death (by starvation) claims them.

This verse reads: "And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of ***FOUR WITNESSES*** from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death comes to them or Allah ordains for them some (other) way."

This verse was abrogated by chapter 24 verse 2, ordaining lashing for the unmarried and stoning to death for the married when FOUR WITNESES testify to the crime. Now who's going to commit adultery with four people to witness it? Not many, it is a deterrant, and as far as I know never happened during the lifetime of the Prophet (SAW).


Quote:qur’an 4:75 “What reason have you that you should not fight in allah’s cause?”
Again another verse taken out of its context...

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and opressed among men, women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."


How about these instead...
C93 verses 9-11 "Therefore treat not the orphan with oppression. And repulse not the begger. And proclaim the Grace of you Lord."

Duty calls, will return insha'Allah.
Peace

 

[No-name]

Apparently eemam, you can see how a lot of us see Islam and how that perception plays out. I am hoping you can be patient with us and give us the insider's point of view.

 

[bossel]

Dear Kumo, I won't pretend that I'm not extremely offended by your rude and tactless remarks, and am somewhat reluctant to respond to them, not because I can't, but because I don't want to rise to the bait because you are quite clearly looking for confrontation.

Yeah, that's Kumo. Don't take it too seriously.

Yes my teacher did have interpretations but how does that make it any less valid?

IMO it's no wonder that you don't have problems in understanding the Koran if you get fed pre-digested pieces.

But I mean come on, how can anything have been lost, Islam is still the same today as it was back then, Muslim women have always worn hijab and always will, the nature hasn't changed over time.

Islam is still the same today? Are you saying that Mohammed already introduced the separation in Sunni, Shia, Alavites a.s.o.?
Always worn the Hijab? I've seen many a Muslima who didn't.
Nature changes always somewhere.

AFAIK, this claim isn't even disputed by the Muslim community, or anyone else that I've heard of. Some sources would be nice.

The Koran isn't disputed by the Muslim community, either. Do you believe everything that's in it?

What are your sources for this claim?

Because, AFAIK there is essentially only one source which supports the idea of an underaged Aisha: Hisham Ibn Urwa. All Hadith which support the low age seem to rely on his tradition. I don't have English sources about it, but Wikipedia has a nice introduction for you.

Silly me, I almost forgot about all those children who like to be raped by 53 years old lunatics.

Oh my, another failed attempt at rational debate? Could you quote me on that?

Obviously all today's pedophiles are victims of our unfair and arbitrary moralism.

Obviously Mohammed doesn't live today. Moralism is always rather arbitrary, as morals are very relative.

Or maybe, just maybe, even though it was "the norm", kids didn't like to be raped in those times either.

That depends on whether they experienced it as rape, or not. Any sources for child rape being the norm back then?

But hey, it's all relative.

At least something you understand.

Yes she was, sex with children is rape by definition.

Modern definition. As I said, Mohammed doesn't live today.

Yes he was, sex with children=paedophile.

Wrong.
sex with children = child molestation
paedophilia = sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object (by M-W)

 

[No-name]

Any muslim with the courage and patience to wade into this storm earns my respect. I am sincerely hoping that someone is willing to speak up.

 

[kumo]

Oh my, another failed attempt at rational debate? Could you quote me on that?

Ok, so answer it now: Do you agree that was a possible scenario or not? Certainly if their culture prepared the girls for it...

The Koran isn't disputed by the Muslim community, either. Do you believe everything that's in it?
What are your sources for this claim?
Because, AFAIK there is essentially only one source which supports the idea of an underaged Aisha: Hisham Ibn Urwa. All Hadith which support the low age seem to rely on his tradition. I don't have English sources about it, but Wikipedia has a nice introduction for you.

Nice, so maybe we can get eemaan to agree that Muhammed didn't rape Aisha. My problem is much more with the absurd justification eemaan gave to this fact (and that he even tried to justify it) than whether this is indeed factual or not. I really have to question the sanity of anybody who believes a pedophile could have been the "greatest person to ever exist".

That depends on whether they experienced it as rape, or not. Any sources for child rape being the norm back then?

I don't think it was the norm either; it must have been a pretty ******-up thing to do even back then.

Obviously Mohammed doesn't live today. Moralism is always rather arbitrary, as morals are very relative.

I know, still... relative!=always right. And before you say it, I don't think right and wrong are meaningless concepts in moralism, but let's not go too off-topic.

Wrong .
sex with children = child molestation
paedophilia = sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object (by M-W)

Oh sorry, my mistake, I meant "??"(or however you want to write "implies") instead of "=".
And eemaan, you still haven't answered this question:

Hmm , wait... Are you saying that the Koran allowed this back then, but doesn't allow it in the modern world? Or would it be still OK (if it ever was)?

 

[eemaan]

Bismillah, Hi, Bossel, just because some muslim women dont wear hijab doesn't alter the fact that they are supposed to. Islam itself is the same. It's difficult to explain...
Yes I believe everything in the Qur'an, every single word. Allah says in the Qur'an-Al-Baqarah(2) 85. "... Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? ..."
We can't pick and choose which parts we like and leave the bits we don't, then faith would be pointless.
Just like you can't judge Islam by the deranged actions of those who claim to be its followers, Islam and Muslims are separate in a sense, Islam itself is infallible, but muslims are, because they are people just like everyone here. In the same way you can't judge Christianity and Christians by the actions of crazed people who claim to do things in the name of Christianity (I think it was Slobodan Milisovic, I can't remember his name-I'm terrible at current affairs;lol)No-one's perfect however hard we all might try, but absolute truth is always there to remind us what life's all about.
Take care Peace

 

[Tsuyoiko]

Tsuyoiko, yes a man has the same obligations of course, it wouldn't be just any other way. A man can only have sexual relations with his wife. A man must also dress modestly and make sure he does not expose himself. Let's face it, it makes sense that women should perhaps be protected more than men, after all when's the last time anyone heard of a woman raping a man? Seriously, no one can possibly argue any other way? (though no doubt someone will try to find something) You get me right?

Thanks for your reply Eeeman. I think I get you, but I also think I can easily argue another way on several points Please forgive me if I seem in any way disrespectful - I don't mean to be - just honest :gomen:

It seems that you are saying that because men are less able to control their sexual urges, women must make themselves less sexually attractive to protect themselves from rape.

1) I'm not convinced that rape is less common in societies where women are covered - does anyone have any statistics on this?
2) If the fault is with men then the responsibility lies more with men, IMO. Are we supposed to believe that men are such weak creatures that they can't control themselves? I don't believe that. Most men know that rape is wrong, and education should make sure of it. Severe penalties for those who don't learn should act as a deterrent for potential rapists.
3) Does a veil really make a woman less sexually attractive? I doubt it. Look at the lady on this wiki article. I think a lot of men would find her very attractive, veil or no.
4) Since the Quran (allegedly) considers rape a forgivable crime, why is it considered so important that the image a Muslim woman presents to the world at all times be dictated by it? Why is it necessary to go to such lengths as to make incorrect dress a crime in some countries?

I'm sure there are other arguments too. The thing about the veil that troubles me the most is that in my experience, Muslim men are not usually instantly recognisable as such, whereas the majority of Muslim women I meet are obviously Muslim. This seems like a great inequality to me, and the reason you give just isn't compelling enough to account for it, IMO.

Another small point: people are asked to remove headgear under certain circumstances, to ensure they are easily identifiable. For example, a motorcyclist must remove his crash helmet before entering a bank. Should this rule extend to the burqa or niqab? If not, could the motorcyclist claim discrimination?

 

[No-name]

I know from a medical aid worker that returned from Iraq that rape is almost never reported. It was her opinion after visiting the Balkans and East Africa on medical trips (always near war zones...I think she's an adrenaline junky) that rape in these areas war extremely wide spread, but almost entirely unreported. Women in some countries face extreme consequences for being the victims in these cases.

 

[Mycernius]

As I understood Islamic teachings a woman must dress modestly, with her hair covered, not covered head to toe in a burqa. This has just been blown out of proportion by the fundamentalists, who , in reality, just see what they want to see in the Quran to keep their power.
Historically the complete covering of the body in a hot country makes sense. It protects the body from the sun. The benefits of this have made their way into holy writtings and its suddenly becomes law. Hence, when these women move to a colder country, where the sun is not so strong, they will start to suffer health problems. The problems is that the religious law does not take that into consideration because it has become tradition and traditions are hard to break.

 

[Mars Man]

I know from a medical aid worker that returned from Iraq that rape is almost never reported. It was her opinion after visiting the Balkans and East Africa on medical trips (always near war zones...I think she's an adrenaline junky) that rape in these areas war extremely wide spread, but almost entirely unreported. Women in some countries face extreme consequences for being the victims in these cases.

Yes, I recall reading about some of the problem with all the fighting in Africa and the detail that the girls who were of marriageable age would lose almost all chances of ever getting married.

That makes a lot of sense Mycernius san !!

 

[bossel]

just because some muslim women dont wear hijab doesn't alter the fact that they are supposed to.

Nope, you didn't get my point: There are obviously a lot of different forms of Islam & interpretations of the Koran. Hence Islam today is not the same as it was & is not even the same everywhere nowadays.

We can't pick and choose which parts we like and leave the bits we don't, then faith would be pointless.

Yep, faith is obviously pointless. But apart from that, people always pick what they like. They don't even need to do so in case of holy books, because there is usually a whole variety of interpretations.

Just like you can't judge Islam by the deranged actions of those who claim to be its followers, Islam and Muslims are separate in a sense, Islam itself is infallible, but muslims are, because they are people just like everyone here.

Islam is made up of Muslims. Without Muslims no Islam.

but absolute truth is always there to remind us what life's all about.

What is absolute truth & how do you recognise it? Why do you recognise it & >5 billion others don't?

 

[eemaan]

I believe in Islam because I found firstly that I believe in God, because I believe that there is ultimate justice because there is not in this worldy life. I began to believe in Islam when I began reading about the scientific miracles within it check out this link... http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_01.php
it's an excellent website, i think anyone interested should definately take a look it'll be worth your while.
How could an illiterate man 1400 years ago have made up such things? How could he know the way a foetus is formed? Even years after that in Eurpoe they believed a baby was always a baby but just tiny, not formed from sperm and an egg.
How did he know that the mountains went so deeply into the earth and held the plates of it together? Was he a geologist? No he lived in the middle of the desert. If you read about his noble character, you'd certainly warm to this man-Muhammad saw. Even a writer has listed Muhammad as the most influencial(number 1 of a hundred) person in history, in his book "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History", by Michael Hart
check out the link http://www.amaana.org/ismailim.html
When you have found the truth as I believe I have, you accept it all, and accept Gods wisdom, because He knows that which we do not. If anyone's going to tell me what to do, I'd rather it be God, if I'm going to follow any rules I'd rather they be Gods' rules. Like I said at the beginning of these postings I'm no scholar, but I don't need to be to know what I believe is right.
Peace!

 

[eemaan]

Watch the videos!

Also if you check out www.harunyahya.com, please check out the interactive presentations, much less labourious than reading page after page...

 

[Mycernius]

Nice site, but a lot of what I (quickly) read through can be found in myth and other religions. The splitting of heaven and earth is in Shinto and Chinese mythology, so are they correct? Remember Islam has drawn its beliefs from pre-islamic myth. Allah is a name given to one of the pre-islamic creator Gods. He was responsible for water and earth. When Muhammad wrote the Quran he identified Allah with the Judeo-christian god , as the bible mentions that God created the earth and water and from that created everything else. It seems someone has read throught he Quran and made passages fit into current scientific theory.

How could an illiterate man 1400 years ago have made up such things?

I have mentioned elsewhere that I do not believe that a sucessful merchant would be illiterate. He wasn't a peasant, he was what we would probably call from a middle class family. He was probably fairly well educated, how else could he take from three beliefs and combine them together? Propaganda has a lot to do with promoting a new religion and making sure it does not dissappear.

 

[eemaan]

For the sake of argument, lets say you're right, and maybe he was from a middleclass family, it still doesn't explain how he would have known about embryological facts that have only been discovered by science in the last 30-40 years.
How would you explain that? Something to think about, by the way; gorgeous cat!

 

[Mycernius]

I had started writting a long reply to this, but I am on another computer and it just kicked me off the site, so I lost it. It is now too late for me to try an pick it up again, so I will post a reply later this weekend.
Thanks about the cat. Not bad for 13. I have one that is 16

 

[bossel]

I believe in Islam because I found firstly that I believe in God, because I believe that there is ultimate justice because there is not in this worldy life.

Well, that's understandable. Probably one of the more prevalent reasons to believe in some supernatural entity.

I began to believe in Islam when I began reading about the scientific miracles within it check out this link...

Oooh, er..., now this is not really understandable...

it's an excellent website, i think anyone interested should definately take a look it'll be worth your while.

...considering the fact that this website is not excellent, but crappy. You'll find a lot of Christian websites which claim the same scienticity (if that is a word) for the Bible, & which are made in a more refined way (though still crappy).

How could an illiterate man 1400 years ago have made up such things?

Maybe he wasn't that illiterate? Perhaps he relied heavily on Greek, Egyptian, Phoenician, Babylonian a.s.o. discoveries which were made centuries if not millennia before?

How could he know the way a foetus is formed? Even years after that in Eurpoe they believed a baby was always a baby but just tiny, not formed from sperm and an egg.

Er..., what makes you so sure he did know? Not that it isn't possible, since Alkmaion around 450 BC & Herophilus around 300 BC already described some embryonic biology, but the Suras provided by this excellent website don't prove anything. They offer very far-fetched explanations why these suras are supposed to mean what they allege that they do.

To make the statement "It is He, Who has created for you (the sense of) hearing (ears), sight (eyes), and hearts (understanding). Little thanks you give." into a biological description of embryonic development is just crap.

How did he know that the mountains went so deeply into the earth and held the plates of it together?

Mountains hold the tectonic plates together? Since when?

No he lived in the middle of the desert.

Did he? Well, at least that would explain some of his ideas, too much sun, not enough water.

If you read about his noble character, you'd certainly warm to this man-Muhammad saw.

Someone who is prepared to kill to forward his belief is not someone I'd call noble.

Even a writer has listed Muhammad as the most influencial(number 1 of a hundred) person in history

Most influential doesn't equal most right.

If anyone's going to tell me what to do, I'd rather it be God, if I'm going to follow any rules I'd rather they be Gods' rules.

Brought to you by men, interpreted for you by men. Even if they were truly rules by some god, how would you know which interpretation is right?