founder effect? endogamy? You can associate J1c3d with semitic people like I said but this doesnt make it semitic at all and even less J1 as a whole.
Obviously you're speakin' about the semitic languages!! while I was talkin' about our semitic serial ancestors which has been maintained and carefully documented by our ancestors for a thousands of years.. Alan, I know you don't know much about some facts & some strict traditions, it's a serious matter never accept any kinda jokes.. You may tell me that you knew some Arabs but they were not the same, well yeah, there' alotta of them, without "typical tribal ancestors" as we call 'em.. In somehow it's an offensive word, you might to call that a racism. But we never mention it ethier as well as it is a forbidden religiously & morally.. Anyway, you can find many of them have the ancient tribe's name (because they lived among the ancient one since a long time),, so what should you do to identify the anchent one from the false (without askin')? Well, if you wanna identify them there is 1 thing, it is the "marriage"!! the ancient tribe wouldn't allow that whatever happened.. Even if they look as a brothers and the same but the marriage is impossible..
By the way, the J1c3d (z644...) do you know they belong to one of the most power full & important Arabian tribe which called (Al-Azd)?.. They'v found it in some hispanic!!
We know about them..Their ancestors were the leaders of the armies of old veterans in Andalusia. They're the foundations of civilization of Andalusia.. Some of them have been captured and imprisoned, and since then they never comeback. Funny when they come to ask in the some forums they're so intresting to go far as they could from the Arabian branches!! It's funny & so sad at the same time I swear... If they really know what kinda honor to belong to this tribe they won't even try to run away.. Every body wish to be an Azdi... (Azd = the Lions)..
They are undoubtedly the descendants of those heroes.. Just google it, (Al-Azd tribe), they're the kings of Sheba kingdom.. Many books talk about this great tribe...
I'd like to test the clade as soon.
Sorry for this long paragraph, but I just wanna make sure that you got it. I hope so!!
I had the impression you were trying to convince us that J1 as a whole is semitic. This is as logical as saying R1b is Irish just because they got some 70-80% of it. Just a note the frequency of J1 is higher among Dargins as it is among any semitic people and J1 is much more diverse in the fertile crescent/East Anatolia as it is among any semitic speakers.
Nah, not really
.. If you won't believe that! then you don't have to anyway.. Maybe there are many branches,, and for sure Chem had many sons.. But we know our great grand father, his name is "Arphaxad". :wary2:
My friend, the thing what I am trying to tell you is that Haplogroups have no ethnicity but what is true, is that J1c3d is associated with semitic people what is alright. However you gave JJmuneer the impression as if it is most likely that the J1 found among this Kurd belongs to this specific branch which is rather unlikely because most J1 among Kurds is J1b and some J1c3 (2-3%). J1c3d is very rare among Kurds just for one reason you should actually know very well. People in West Asia are patriarchal and its always women who became part of the ethnicity of their husband. Means if there was ever a significant mixing between Kurds, Turks, Iranians or Arabs it would be mostly visible in their mt- and not yDNA.
Yeees HG have no ethnicity.. but as I told above.. there are many sons of Chem. 5 or 6 'm not sure... But any other J's result cant be branched from (Arphaxad), just J1c3d.. Because his descendants are the most known people on the face of earth, with all do of respect of all people.
But all of them are under the supposed mutation &
this can't be just a coincidence.. So how can we get another branch of people into Eber (PBUH) or Arphaxad's line?? You're talkin' about impossible thing Alan.. Otherwise we are takin' them away from their line? Or we are sayin' that their ancestors is not true? All of this ideas are wrong & can't be fit..
About mt- or Autosomal, family finder, it will show you some percentages, (e.g) you are American 56% and European 44% etc, but I think it isn't a unique as a parental HG + unique mutation.
Have a good day my friend...