J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

torzio · Aug 26, 2022

enter_tain said:
Trojet, archeologically speaking, I think the Messapians were found to have at least some "southern Illyrian" tools, that only existed in Albania/Montenegro.

you think ?

As I stated a while ago...from circa 400BC the messapics stated trading with some of the 14 tribes of Epirotes of southern Albania and NW Greece

As you can see.....the Adriatic sea was no barrier for the mixing of Illyrian and Italian tribal people in BC times.......the problem is the Albanians mixed far less with the 2 mentioned, indicating an initial land -locked tribe of people ( as I said years ago, the Dardanians )

Hawk · Aug 26, 2022

One thing we should give credit is, Albanian archaeologist Frano Prendi classified the Cetina as Proto-Illyrians. And he did so by comparing the similarity of tumuli burials. Well, it looks like J2b2-L283 was the core mediator of Proto-Illyrians.

enter_tain · Aug 26, 2022

We have to add R1b to Proto-Illyrians. That much is undisputed at this point. Found all over ancient Illyria and a number of L51 clades (including rare L52) existing in modern Albanians.

Just like J2B2 I think different clades became popular in different places. Z638/Z2103 became popular in Albania, while L51/upstream J-L283 clades in Croatia/Slovenia.

Hawk · Aug 26, 2022

And it is somewhere in Central Balkans where E-V13 meets J2b2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 to form Proto-Albanoids.

I think that we are at a time, that insulting Joachim Matzinger and calling him names is too childish, also insulting Derite for just channeling what good information he finds out is not fair.

mount123 · Aug 26, 2022

enter_tain said:
Just like J2B2 I think different clades became popular in different places. Z638/Z2103 became popular in Albania, while L51/upstream J-L283 clades in Croatia/Slovenia.

Z2103 is completely absent in the Illyrian core neither Cetina, Dinaric nor the IA East Adriatic and cannot be linked to them. There have just been a lot of TC related sites tested. Z2103 is not a "minor subclade" but its own haplogroup so comparing it with J2b-L283>Z638 is whataboutism. The TC related sites were mostly R-L2 and have no connection to modern Albanians.

The majority of the samples from Monetengro are J2b-L283>>Z638>Z1297 which is under Z638!

Stop spamming this thread with off topic baseless theories. You obviously have not read the paper but are making all sorts of false statements.

You are hindering to the information flow in regards to the thread's topic this way those who are interested in regards to news have it harder to scroll through the thread. Stop it now.

Illyria · Aug 26, 2022

mount123 said:
Stop spamming this thread with off topic baseless theories. You obviously have not read the paper but are making all sorts of false statements.

You are hindering to the information flow in regards to the thread's topic this way those who are interested in regards to news have it harder to scroll through the thread. Stop it now.

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mount123 · Aug 26, 2022

Illyria said:
Waa waa, the baby is crying again. "Stop! Stop! Stop it now!" shut up. Would be great if you would stop trying to police every post like an internet cop. Literally no one cares when you say to stop spamming or start a new thread. All these threads have thousands of posts in them, you think anyone is gonna give a sh*t if every once in a while something goes slightly off topic? NO. Only you scream.

So you are posting from one of your other sock puppet accounts entertain? I will ignore you from now on no problem with that. "Aryan"

For anyone new here just scroll to the last page where there is info about the J2b-L283 samples from the Southern Arc paper.

mount123 · Aug 26, 2022

Trojet said:
Unfortunately, the current Reich lab methodology (1240k data) does not have good coverage for some subclades, one of them being J-Y21045 or downstream, and this particular sample doesn't have good overall coverage to begin with. But if we get a sample that's J-Z638(xZ1297), then we can infer it's very likely under J-Y21045 even if there is no coverage there..

Thanks for the info, Trojet. What a bummer and good to know that you can at least conclude he would be Y21045 in that case.

Illyria · Aug 26, 2022

mount123 said:
So you are posting from one of your other sock puppet accounts entertain? I will ignore you from now on no problem with that. "Aryan"

For anyone new here just scroll to the last page where there is info about the J2b-L283 samples from the Southern Arc paper.

You wish I was a sock account, but no, I'm another person.

Galaxy Overlord · Aug 26, 2022

enter_tain said:
We have to add R1b to Proto-Illyrians. That much is undisputed at this point. Found all over ancient Illyria and a number of L51 clades (including rare L52) existing in modern Albanians.

Just like J2B2 I think different clades became popular in different places. Z638/Z2103 became popular in Albania, while L51/upstream J-L283 clades in Croatia/Slovenia.

Did the burials of the J2b2 and R1b differ from each other culturally or were they the same?

Galaxy Overlord · Aug 26, 2022

Hawk said:
And it is somewhere in Central Balkans where E-V13 meets J2b2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 to form Proto-Albanoids.

I think that we are at a time, that insulting Joachim Matzinger and calling him names is too childish, also insulting Derite for just channeling what good information he finds out is not fair.

So are you saying that J2b2 and R1b are proto Illyrian and E-V13 is a separate group that combined later?

Archetype0ne · Aug 26, 2022

Galaxy Overlord said:
So are you saying that J2b2 and R1b are proto Illyrian and E-V13 is a separate group that combined later?

The R1b is from the EBA, from Çinamak. Page 28 of the supplements provides archeological context.
L283 Shows up in MBA in Shkrel and during Illyrian times(3kya) in Çinamak where we see during this period R1b and L283 cohabitate.

mount123 · Aug 26, 2022

Galaxy Overlord said:
Did the burials of the J2b2 and R1b differ from each other culturally or were they the same?

On the previous page you can find the samples that are of interest to you.

What we can say in regards to J2b-L283 is that the following archeological complexes are key in forming the IA Illyrians: EBA Cetina Culture - MBA Dinaric Culture - Classical Illyrians

mount123 said:

Some of these have broader designations. In totality there are about 35 J2b-L283 samples. There should also be as mentioned in the excerpt additionally 3 IA Roman samples (Latin?) and 3 Nuragic samples.

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[TD="class: td1"]tooth[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"]tooth (incisor)[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"]Galaty, Michael; Bejko, Lorenc; Deskaj, Sylvia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3750[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]115[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2000-1600 BCE[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"]Cetina Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.9672237[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.4326708[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
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[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.455[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"]T1a1[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]150545[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z622[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"]T2b23[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.151[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.418[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (<200 SNPs)[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"]S16254.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
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[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
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[TD="class: td1"]837; 2, Box C, locus 1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Borić, Dušan; Borovinic, Nikola; Andrijasevic, Gojko[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1450-1250 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]MNE_LBA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velika Gruda[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]585241[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro, Velika Gruda Family A (6 members) (I13777 and I13169 are brothers. Both are either sons of or brothers of I13776 (who is a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I13168). Both are also 2nd or 3rd degree relatives of I13775, I13168, and I14499 (who is also a 1st degree relative of I13168))[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z2507[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]U4b1a1a1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.946,0.974][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.12[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.385[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0,0.007][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S13775.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS (mtcontam=[0.946,0.974])[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I13777[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I13777[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]839; 2, Box C, locus 1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Borić, Dušan; Borovinic, Nikola; Andrijasevic, Gojko[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Date(s) on 2d/3d relative, I13169, and relation with directly dated, I13168[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3300[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]58[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1450-1250 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]MNE_LBA_brother.I13169_son.or.brother.I13776[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velika Gruda[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.366667[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]18.733333[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3.158226[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]807771[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro, Velika Gruda Family A (6 members) (I13777 and I13169 are brothers. Both are either sons of or brothers of I13776 (who is a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I13168). Both are also 2nd or 3rd degree relatives of I13775, I13168, and I14499 (who is also a 1st degree relative of I13168))[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z2507[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]U5a2d[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.993,1.000][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.121[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.403[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.003,0.007][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S13777.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I13778[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I13778[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]841; 3, nr. 1, Box D[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Borić, Dušan; Borovinic, Nikola; Andrijasevic, Gojko[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3234[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]51[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1386-1212 calBCE (3025±20 BP, PSUAMS-7882)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]MNE_LBA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velika Gruda[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.366667[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]18.733333[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3.766536[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]829435[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z1297[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1a1a[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]H1+16311[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.985,0.999][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.11[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.412[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.002,0.006][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S13778.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I13169[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I13169[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]876; 5, Box G[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Borić, Dušan; Borovinic, Nikola; Andrijasevic, Gojko[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3287[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]39[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1407-1271 calBCE (3070±20 BP, PSUAMS-7923)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]MNE_LBA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velika Gruda[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.366667[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]18.733333[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]4.640845[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]837547[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro, Velika Gruda Family A (6 members) (I13777 and I13169 are brothers. Both are either sons of or brothers of I13776 (who is a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I13168). Both are also 2nd or 3rd degree relatives of I13775, I13168, and I14499 (who is also a 1st degree relative of I13168))[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z1297[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1a1a[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]U5a2d[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.985,0.998][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.117[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.407[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.003,0.007][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S13169.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I14498[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I14498[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1726; 1988, FK10, G. 26-27, datum 19/9, niv. 213, UGN[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]tooth[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Borić, Dušan[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Relation with directly dated in same family, I13167[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3100[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]87[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1300-1000 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]MNE_LBA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velika Gruda[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.366667[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]18.733333[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.81847[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]592572[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro, Velika Gruda Family B (4 members) (I14497 is a 1st degree relative of I14500 and a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I13167 (who is a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I14498)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z1297[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1a1a[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]W+194[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.988,0.999][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.069[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.382[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.001,0.013][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S14498.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I15707[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I15707[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2710; Tumulus 1, grave 19, 46[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult; 45+ yrs.[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Kurti, Rovena; Ruka, Rudenc; Tota, Ulsi[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]399[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]53[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1472-1632 calCE (355±15 BP, PSUAMS-7161)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ALB_PostMdv[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Bardhoc (Northeastern, Kukes District),[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Albania[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.12[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]20.518056[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3.732539[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]792863[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z631[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1a1a1a[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J1c+16261[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.983,0.997][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.086[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.421[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.003,0.007][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S15707.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I16253[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I16253[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1943; Tumulus 14, central grave (grave 91), 28[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Kurti, Rovena; Ruka, Rudenc[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2426[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]63[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]658-403 calBCE (2405±20 BP, PSUAMS-7193)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ALB_Çinamak_Anc[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Çinamak (Norteastern, Kukes District)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Albania[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.020556[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]20.388611[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.477169[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]381085[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Y21878[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1a1a1b~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]H+152[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.980,0.997][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.119[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.422[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0,0.013][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ss.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S16253.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I13167[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I13167[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]874; 6[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Infant; 18 mo.[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Borić, Dušan; Borovinic, Nikola; Andrijasevic, Gojko[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3090[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]47[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1216-1052 calBCE (2935±20 BP, PSUAMS-7922)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]MNE_LBA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velika Gruda[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.366667[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]18.733333[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3.419537[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]835108[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro, Velika Gruda Family B (4 members) (I14497 is a 1st degree relative of I14500 and a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I13167 (who is a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I14498)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Y21878[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1a1a1b~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]U5a1g[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.985,0.997][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.119[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.402[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.003,0.007][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S13167.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I19032[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I19032[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]u-61j[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]tooth (canine)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Osterholtz, Anna[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3750[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]115[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2000-1600 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_Cetina_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Cetina Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.9672237[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.4326708[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.106[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]115862[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Y15058[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J1c1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.967,0.987][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.107[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.391952729[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (<200 SNPs)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ss.half,ss.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S19032.Y1.E1.L1,S19032.Y1.E2.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I5080[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I5080[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ZAV1; Tumulus, Central Grave[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult: 30-35 years.[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Mario Šlaus[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3631[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]38[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1743-1623 calBCE (3395±20 BP, PSUAMS-3814)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Zavojane-Ravca, Velika Gomila[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]44.92[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.05[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3.045[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]825427[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z38240[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]K1a4[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.989,0.996][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.083[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.001,0.011][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S5080.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I18747[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I18747[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]3821; T. 19 Gr. 1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Old adult[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Mario Carić[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3750[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]115[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2000-1600 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_Cetina_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Cetina Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.9672237[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.4326708[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.647909[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]431233[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Y15058[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]U5a1a[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.932,0.978][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.148[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.430295567[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0,0.013][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S18747.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS (mtcontam=[0.932,0.978])[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I18748[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I18748[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]3822; T. 3 Gr. 1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Mario Carić[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3700[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]87[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1900-1600 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Bogomolje, 1981[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.130852[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.997339[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1.010165[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]536062[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Y15058[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]X2k[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.980,0.997][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.135[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.429823716[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0,0.009][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S18748.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I5074[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I5074[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]TWO CODES: (1) MAT-1B; G 1B, 12-14; (2) MAT-1C; Gr 1C[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult; 45-50 yrs.[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Mario Šlaus[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3385[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]30[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1497-1397 calBCE (3155±20 BP, PSUAMS-3813)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Matkovici[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.17[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]17.26[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]6.402[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]973096[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-Z38240[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]X2m[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.004,0.011][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half,ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S5074.E1.L1,S5075.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I18712[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I18712[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]3772; Velika Gomila T. 1 Gr.1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult; 45+ yrs.[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous (CBD)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Mario Carić[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3600[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]491[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2500-800 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]D. Ostrvica-Pasičine[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.45783[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.74911[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1.2227[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]592372[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-PH1602[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b2~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]H1u[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.975,0.994][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.117[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.434733199[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.002,0.011][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S18712.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: t1"]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I18831[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I18831[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]3868; Tumulus 2/G1, individual B[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Natalija Čondić[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2201[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]144[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]500-1 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_Anc[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velim-Kosa[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.88741[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]15.72534[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2.64[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]685118[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia, Stankovci, Velim 2014 Family A (2 members) (I18830-I18831 have a sibling relationship [brothers])[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-PH1602[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b2~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]H7[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.956,0.981][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.102[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.481[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.005,0.011][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ss.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S18831.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS (Xcontam=[0.005,0.011])[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I18830[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I18830[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]3867; Tumulus 2/G1; individual A[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Natalija Čondić[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2201[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]144[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]500-1 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_Anc_brother.I18831[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velim-Kosa[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.88741[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]15.72534[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2.164[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]638217[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia, Stankovci, Velim 2014 Family A (2 members) (I18830-I18831 have a sibling relationship [brothers])[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-PH1602[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b2~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]H7[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.967,0.989][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.113[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.478[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.004,0.011][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ss.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S18830.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I5073[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I5073[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]KOP1-85A; Gr. 85A[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Adult; 50-55 yrs.[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Mario Šlaus[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Direct: IntCal20[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3573[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]47[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1732-1542 calBCE (3350±20 BP, PSUAMS-3812)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Koprivno[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.607274[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.54708[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2.459[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]813366[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-PH1602[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b2~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2a1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.979,0.989][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.135[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.001,0.011][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S5073.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I18746[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I18746[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]3820; T. 19 Gr. 4[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]petrous[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Mario Carić[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3750[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]115[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2000-1600 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_Cetina_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Cetina Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.9672237[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.4326708[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2.560377[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]636799[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-PH1602[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2b2a1a1a1b2~[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]N1a1a1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.986,0.997][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.09[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.450055323[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.003,0.008][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S18746.Y1.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: t1"]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I19031[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I19031[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]u-61i[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]tooth (incisor)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Osterholtz, Anna[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3750[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]115[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2000-1600 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_Cetina_BA_outlier[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Cetina Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.9672237[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.4326708[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.015[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]17477[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-M102[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J1c1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.976,0.993][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.192[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.4[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (<200 SNPs)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ss.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S19031.Y1.E2.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I19026[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I19026[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]u-61d[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]tooth (premolar)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Osterholtz, Anna[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Archaeological - Period[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3750[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]115[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]2000-1600 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]HRV_Cetina_BA[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Cetina Valley[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Croatia[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]43.9672237[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]16.4326708[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]2[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.043[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]47377[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (no relatives detected)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J-M102[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J1c1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.967,0.987][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.11[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.35154827[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (<200 SNPs)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ss.half,ss.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S19026.Y1.E1.L1,S19026.Y1.E2.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: t1"]
[TR]
[TD="class: td1"]I14499[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]I14499[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1727; 1990, burial 10[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]..[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]tooth[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]This study[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Pinhasi, Ron; Borić, Dušan[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Context: Date(s) on 2d/3d relative, I13169, and relation with directly dated, I13168[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]3300[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]58[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1450-1250 BCE[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]MNE_LBA_1d.rel_I13168[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Velika Gruda[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]42.366667[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]18.733333[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]1240K[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]1[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.01195[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]13864[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]M[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Montenegro, Velika Gruda Family A (6 members) (I13777 and I13169 are brothers. Both are either sons of or brothers of I13776 (who is a 2nd or 3rd degree relative of I13168). Both are also 2nd or 3rd degree relatives of I13775, I13168, and I14499 (who is also a 1st degree relative of I13168))[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bam[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]J2[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]H3z1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][0.949,0.996][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.147[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][RIGHT]0.371[/RIGHT]
[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]n/a (<200 SNPs)[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]ds.half[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]S14499.E1.L1[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"]PASS[/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][FONT=Helvetica]
[/FONT][/TD]
[TD="class: td1"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Trojet said:
From the newly published "The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe" we have the following J2b-L283 samples:

I8471, 1880-1695 calBCE, ALB_BA, Shkrel, Albania: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597

I17633, 700-400 BCE, Çinamak, Albania: J2b (L283?)

I16254, 600-400 BCE, Çinamak, Albania: J2b-L283>?

I16253, 658-403 calBCE, Çinamak, Albania: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Y21878

I15707, 1472-1632 calCE, Bardhoc, Albania: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Z631

I11843, 2000-1600 BCE, HRV_Cetina_BA, Cetina Valley, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597

I18088, 2000-1600 BCE, HRV_Cetina_BA, Cetina Valley, Croatia: J2b-L283>?

I18747, 2000-1600 BCE, HRV_Cetina_BA, Cetina Valley, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058

I19032, 2000-1600 BCE, HRV_Cetina_BA, Cetina Valley, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058

I19029, 2000-1600 BCE, HRV_Cetina_BA, Cetina Valley, Croatia: J2b-L283>Z600>?

I19025, 2000-1600 BCE, HRV_Cetina_BA, Cetina Valley, Croatia: J2b-L283>?

I18746, 2000-1600 BCE, HRV_Cetina_BA, Cetina Valley, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240>PH1602

I18748, 1900-1600 BCE, HRV_BA, Bogomolje, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058

I5080, 1743-1623 calBCE, HRV_BA, Zavojane-Ravca, Velika Gomila, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240

I18712, 2500-800 BCE, HRV_BA, D. Ostrvica-Pasičine, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240>PH1602

I5073, 1732-1542 calBCE, HRV_BA, Koprivno, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240>PH1602

I5074, 1497-1397 calBCE, HRV_BA, Matkovici, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240

I5723, 514-391 calBCE, HRV_IA, Sv. Križ Brdovečki, Croatia: J2b-L283>?

I18831, 500-1 BCE, HRV_Anc, Velim-Kosa, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240>PH1602

I18830, 500-1 BCE, HRV_Anc, Velim-Kosa, Croatia: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240>PH1602

I13777, 1450-1250 BCE, MNE_LBA, Velika Gruda, Montenegro: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>?

I13775, 1450-1250 BCE, MNE_LBA, Velika Gruda, Montenegro: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>?

I13169, 1407-1271 calBCE, MNE_LBA, Velika Gruda, Montenegro: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297

I13778, 1386-1212 calBCE, MNE_LBA, Velika Gruda, Montenegro: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297

I14498, 1300-1000 BCE, MNE_LBA, Velika Gruda, Montenegro: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297

I13167, 1216-1052 calBCE, MNE_LBA, Velika Gruda, Montenegro: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Y21878

Hopefully we can get deeper classification for some of the samples once the BAM files are out, especially the MBA sample (~1800 BCE) from Shkrel Albania, but not very hopeful as the coverage is not ideal. Will add them to the J2b-L283 aDNA map then.

Main takes: Cetina sites in Croatia seem to be dominated by J-Y15058>Z38240, where we have the oldest J-PH1602 which is even older than its estimated TMRCA. All MLBA samples from Velika Gruda, Montenegro seem to be under J-Z1297, one of them more specifically J-Y21878 which has also appeared in an "early Iapygian" sample from Apulia, Italy. It shows us that at least some Iapygian tribes have migrated from around modern Montenegro, as expected.

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Angela · Aug 26, 2022

Illyria said:
Waa waa, the baby is crying again. "Stop! Stop! Stop it now!" shut up. Would be great if you would stop trying to police every post like an internet cop. Literally no one cares when you say to stop spamming or start a new thread. All these threads have thousands of posts in them, you think anyone is gonna give a sh*t if every once in a while something goes slightly off topic? NO. Only you scream.

You've now got yourself an infraction. Keep it up and you're out of here.

To everyone on this thread: keep it civil or I'll close it.

blevins13 · Aug 26, 2022

I think this thread has reach its conclusion. J2B2 is indeed (proto-Illyrian), there is no doubt about it.

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Hawk · Aug 26, 2022

Galaxy Overlord said:
So are you saying that J2b2 and R1b are proto Illyrian and E-V13 is a separate group that combined later?

I am sure of J2b2-L283 as Proto-Illyrian, and E-V13 as Dacian-Thracian marker, i am not sure about R1b-Z2103, it appears all over places, i know this is the best candidate for Proto Indo-Europeans which spread the initial language, but we are talking about historical populations. R1b-Z2103 seems to have been found in Ulanci in Macedonia, some Brygian/Paeonian sites as well. But yeah, some samples among Illyrians as well, but not as prominent and dominant as J2b2-L283. In Daco-Thracian context it was weaker, only 1 R1a was found among dozens of E-V13 in Early Iron Age pits. He was probably from Noua-Sabatinovska-Coslogeni Culture descended which mixed with E-V13 in Carpathian Basin/Transylvania and brought to them the love for horses.

As for E-V13, i bet it will be found in Albania as well, in Devoll, as Frano Prendi said the Kanellure with turban handles. He denies it was an ethnic migration but back then he could have different personal opinion versus public. He doesn't mention whether they were different people, but on general Kanellure influence wasn't as prominent as Glasinac-Mat Proto-Illyrian at all.

You might take a look what he writes about Cetina, Illyrians on general: https://www.persee.fr/doc/iliri_1727-2548_1985_num_15_2_1360

Hawk · Aug 26, 2022

I am using this calculator:

Code:

Adriatic_Neolithic:HRV_C_Lasinja,0.1245415,0.1786487,0.0203646,-0.0794311,0.0634221,-0.0394165,-0.0040146,-0.0018653,0.0439214,0.0813077,0.006049,0.0116523,-0.0208744,0.0006192,-0.0348462,-0.0067068,0.0184277,0.0031567,0.0110928,-0.0090042,-0.0059999,0.0057088,-0.0089047,-0.009931,-0.0061172
West_Mediterranean:ITA_Sardinia_C,0.1287624,0.1788602,0.0431804,-0.0573325,0.0789762,-0.030922,-0.0024676,-0.0017882,0.0582638,0.10023,0.0009741,0.0158296,-0.0345822,-0.0159125,-0.017389,-0.0007625,0.0133481,0.0034998,0.0070705,-0.0135534,0.000109,0.0013755,-0.0116161,-0.0280762,-0.0012573
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Peloponnese_N,0.1192866,0.176702,-0.0080704,-0.0965124,0.0409306,-0.0416662,-0.001645,-0.0051228,0.0253202,0.0726758,0.0066578,0.012499,-0.0241424,-0.0007708,-0.0353146,-0.0086448,0.0185666,0.000532,0.0104078,-0.0138568,-0.018193,0.0007172,-0.004289,-0.000699,-0.004766
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA,0.1155305,0.1675625,-0.0194215,-0.0805885,0.018773,-0.0352795,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.00634,0.049386,0.005846,0.014837,-0.0231165,0.006468,-0.026126,-0.0061655,0.0157115,0.003927,0.008485,-0.010192,-0.010107,-0.003462,0.001109,0.0046395,-0.0026345
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LBK_MN,0.123498,0.1807643,0.0126335,-0.0942352,0.0580878,-0.0403695,-0.0029375,-0.003,0.0397798,0.084603,0.008769,0.0125138,-0.02111,0.0004818,-0.042107,-0.0149492,0.01105,-0.0005382,0.012821,-0.0153825,-0.013757,0.0095827,-0.0092128,-0.0026512,-0.002934
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_Lengyel_LN,0.1272922,0.1777177,0.0206787,-0.0799425,0.0635502,-0.040997,-0.0038777,-0.0036153,0.0460522,0.0810342,0.0099055,0.0092667,-0.0207628,0.0022018,-0.0366672,-0.0123087,0.0169498,0.0019425,0.0106215,-0.009442,-0.0118957,0.0040187,-0.006984,-0.0086758,-0.0011178
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LN_EarlyC_Lengyel,0.124067,0.177718,0.019987,-0.082365,0.05878,-0.034861,0.00141,0.001615,0.051949,0.075081,0.01153,0.009741,-0.016353,0.008808,-0.036237,-0.023999,0.003781,0.005701,0.023757,-0.01063,-0.015722,0.005317,0.002218,-0.005061,-0.007185
East_European_Neolithic:BGR_Middle_C,0.120652,0.171624,0.027153,-0.064923,0.052317,-0.026774,0.001175,0.002308,0.032519,0.062689,0,0.010191,-0.013677,-0.001101,-0.034744,-0.017634,-0.001173,0.005068,0.009804,-0.017008,-0.009733,0.008656,-0.010969,-0.015785,-0.002634
East_European_Neolithic:UKR_Trypillia_En,0.132035,0.165531,0.032809,-0.027778,0.065551,-0.0251,0.00282,0.012923,0.046631,0.057222,0.005684,-0.002248,-0.016353,-0.017065,-0.018322,0.000663,0.02725,0.004054,0.010559,-0.000875,0.010731,0.004451,-0.019596,-0.027835,-0.001437
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_CZE_early,0.1244463,0.1218633,0.0657443,0.0725673,0.013233,0.025658,0.0050917,0.0059997,-0.0139073,-0.0218683,-0.0048177,0.0029473,-0.0109513,-0.01601,0.0245657,0.0061433,-0.0093877,4.23e-05,-0.0027657,0.0030013,0.000416,-0.0009063,-0.0022593,0.002691,-0.0034727
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA_C,0.132604,0.1340495,0.0605275,0.0385985,0.041854,0.0107375,-0.00047,0.006346,0.008897,0.0126655,-0.00203,0.012889,-0.015089,-0.0157575,0.0143865,0.0117345,-0.007888,0.0023435,-0.0016965,0.001751,-0.0004365,0.0058115,-0.0009245,-0.001265,-0.00467
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0.003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
West_Asian:ARM_Areni_C,0.1115468,0.1327805,-0.0316782,-0.0281818,-0.0278512,-0.005508,0.0022325,-0.0073265,-0.0236735,-0.0068795,0.007064,0.0064068,-0.0066528,-0.0040598,-0.0060735,-0.0100438,-0.0098115,0.0026922,0.0009428,-0.006941,-0.002901,0.0025965,0.0014175,-0.0031932,0.0047898
West_Asian:TUR_Ikiztepe_LC,0.1093966,0.1521039,-0.0491094,-0.078166,-0.0101898,-0.0275171,0.004883,-0.0010769,-0.0284969,0.0206331,0.0077223,0.0062279,-0.0184669,0.0088997,-0.0163318,-0.0136716,0.0115028,0.0030546,0.007402,-0.0093239,-0.0019826,-0.0020198,-0.0019309,-0.00565,0.0034328
Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN,0.1293028,0.0706808,0.1523568,0.1945116,0.047578,0.0589576,-0.0050764,0.006323,0.0208204,-0.0559464,0.0052288,-0.0185234,0.0298512,-0.0275518,0.027931,0.036197,0.0010952,-0.0001266,-0.0074412,0.03104,0.0268278,0.0172372,-0.0087258,-0.0600808,0.0013894
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL,0.09675,0.12491,0.073539,0.051034,0.033545,0.022311,0.0047,-0.015922,-0.012067,-0.014032,-0.006008,0.006894,0.010109,-0.020368,0.016829,0.002519,-0.022556,0.012289,0.012318,0.007379,-0.001747,0.014715,0.006162,0.013255,-0.000239
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_CZE_late,0.1243381,0.11519,0.0537665,0.0826572,0.0107711,0.0293367,0.0037937,0.0021098,-0.0216991,-0.0327678,-0.0030621,0.000999,-0.0050616,-0.0141751,0.0261876,0.0048553,-0.0076927,-5.43e-05,0.00249,0.0066758,0.0004218,0.0008183,0.0034568,0.0135073,-0.0004163

If someone can compile the Cetina J2b2-L283 and run them?

Target: J2b-Z597\|I8471 Distance: 4.1151% / 0.04115056
34.0	Aegean_Neolithic

27.6	East_European_Neolithic

18.4	Yamnaya

17.0	Corded_Ware_Horizont

2.8	Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

0.2	Baltic

Target: J2b-Z622\|I16254 Distance: 4.1208% / 0.04120831
28.6	Adriatic_Neolithic

23.0	Aegean_Neolithic

22.8	Yamnaya

17.8	Bell_Beaker

4.0	Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

2.2	West_Mediterranean

1.6	Corded_Ware_Horizont

Target: J2b-Y21878\|I16253 Distance: 2.7293% / 0.02729323
29.4	Aegean_Neolithic

26.4	Bell_Beaker

15.0	Corded_Ware_Horizont

13.0	Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

8.4	Adriatic_Neolithic

7.8	Yamnaya

Target: R1b-M269\|I16251 Distance: 1.9420% / 0.01942011
36.8	East_European_Neolithic

24.6	Yamnaya

15.4	West_Asian

10.8	Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

6.4	Bell_Beaker

6.0	Aegean_Neolithic

Target: R1b-CTS1450\|I14690 Distance: 1.5695% / 0.01569506
57.6	Bell_Beaker

22.2	Aegean_Neolithic

12.2	West_Asian

8.0	Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

Target: J2b-Z622\|I16254 Distance: 4.1208% / 0.04120831
28.6	Adriatic_Neolithic

23.0	Aegean_Neolithic

22.8	Yamnaya

17.8	Bell_Beaker

4.0	Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

2.2	West_Mediterranean

1.6	Corded_Ware_Horizont

1337_ · Aug 26, 2022

enter_tain said:
I'm not buying the whole "Albanian skipped CWC" thing. The data shows the contrary. There are clearly CW-R1b markers in both Croatian and Albanian Illyrians.

All Illyrians form a cluster together and are brought together by J2B2, and Croatian Illyrians are especially heavy in CW-R1b markers. If we assume all Western Balkans/J2B2 people are related, then it wouldn't make sense for Croatian Illyrians to be related to CW, but not southern.

What's happening is there are basal branches of pre-Illyrian Balkanic R1b markers that got absorbed into Proto-Illyrians/Illyrians.

Its interesting though how these samples range from clustering like Iberinas / North Italian to Albanian. Even the ones who cluster like North Italians seem genetically close to Albanians like I said before, a mix of that and something else made them cluster more south/east like modern Albanians. Maybe it's some CHG ?

torzio · Aug 26, 2022

Distance to: Veritus_scaled
0.06967182 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.07771560 Yamnaya:Yamnaya_BGR
0.09964819 East_European_Neolithic:UKR_Trypillia_En
0.10018328 East_European_Neolithic:BGR_Middle_C
0.10319787 West_Asian:ARM_Areni_C
0.10320471 Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
0.11193968 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_CZE_early
0.11731321 Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA
0.12528398 Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_CZE_late
0.13029004 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LN_EarlyC_Lengyel
0.13240502 Adriatic_Neolithic:HRV_C_Lasinja
0.13243124 West_Asian:TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
0.13358530 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_Lengyel_LN
0.13876650 Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Peloponnese_N
0.14128138 West_Mediterranean:ITA_Sardinia_C
0.14303012 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LBK_MN
0.19279264 Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR
0.28668563 Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN

Target: Veritus_scaled
Distance: 0.0175% / 0.01745218
30.7 Corded_Ware_Horizont
30.6 East_European_Neolithic
19.0 Yamnaya
16.3 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
3.4 West_Asian

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