The TMRCA of J-YP29 is not very precise because the Sardinian samples are low coverage. I would guess it's at least 3000 ybp. The same situation with J-Z600>YP157. However, we know that J-YP157 formed ~5400 ybp (TMRCA of J-Z600), and the fact that Sardinians under J-YP157 share only 4 SNPs, indicates that their TMRCA is around the middle bronze age. So this suggests that even the J-Z600 (Z585-) lineages were not far from Sardinia during the middle bronze age (perhaps the region around the Adriatic). In any case, absolutely no evidence they were in the Levant! While you and the Istanbul sample have "no TMRCA" because you currently have no closer relatives than the J-Z600 mutation.
I'm sorry, but among other things, you seem to have issues interpreting the YFull tree.
Me and the istanbul sample dont need a TMRCA at 1000 years. Its very possible the the split was in western asia 5400 ybp between me and his sample but his still stayed in western asia. Like how you argue its european even though the split for Z585 was 5400 years ago... and none were in europe yet.
so z585 was still in western asia / caucaus 5400 ybp because there is no evidence of z585 in the balkans 5400ybp , not in mainland europe at 5400 ybp. So z585 came into europe later at around 1600 bc. Thats because we have ancient sample of that. Theres no evidence they came priot to that croatian sample! And that clade was already a very deep subclade of Z585 / 615!But none prior to that sample in the balkans!
Z558 migrated to europe at that time
For JYP29 3000ybp is still 1000BC. Which is still close to when the Carthagenians landed in sardinia XD
Also JYP29 is not Jz600. Its a mutation after it. He has mutations after Jyp29 also.
You dont find jyp29 in mainland europe...
Also it says J-L283 formed 9600 YBP
It wasnt in europe when J-L283 formed.
It was in west asia or the caucus.
Some how you want to argue -585 is european at 5400bc because Z585 /615 migrated at 1600 bc instead of 5400bc ???
Makes no sense. It only shows these lineages split. Which is the point, because you do not find -z585 with positive Z585 in the balkans or mainland europe. And if you find z585 they arent J-Z615 which is 98.9999999999 percent of european J-z615.
And the sardinian samples are nowhere on mainland. Nor is any z858 until 1600bc. Nevermind showing
All the mainland european samples are 615. Which they split 4700ybp (2700BC) according to Y full if you wanted to even compare the sardinian z585 samples.
So from 5400 ybp to 4700ybp they were still in the caucus and west asia.
So if its not even z585 why would you argue its mainland european -z585 came in with z615? Theres no evidence for that.
5400 ybp (3400 BC) some basal -z585 split from each other. They obviously were still in georgia. Theres no evidence of them being in europe at 3400 bc.
Z585 (-615) happens they remain in west asia. We know this because these lineages dont exist in the balkans or on main land europe.
615 lineages, exist everywhere in europe. They break apart 4700ybp. So 615 lineages migrated to europe afterwords at 1600bc, not -615.
The non 615 were still in west asia and caucus.
Mines migrated from west asia because my most distant ancestor lineage is looking to be from sidonia.
We also have armenian predicted J-L283. So what does that mean? What happens if they are shown deep subclades of Z615?
The ancient Croatian sample was already a deep clade of 615. So its no way related 615 samples and definitely not -z585. That supports that subclades of z615 migrated into europe at 1600bc. Not -615 lineages.