The thread's topic is about J2b-L283 and that is what blevins meant, not a macro haplogroup designation. All of what you are writing does not relate to J2b-L283 nor the data from scientific papers.
Before writing such comments and not having a clue about what the thread's topic is nor bothering to read the nomenclature of the haplogroup being discussed it would be just great not to post such baseless theories, thank you.
Thanks you well for
very kind post. Just a precision : I wrote to Blevins, not to you, about the raw affirmation that Y-
J2b2 was without any doubt the proto-Illyrian marker.
It is not me who is unprecise here. J2b2 is not
L283, only an « ancestor ». And was present among Etruscans too, and I think, Italics and Adriatic Veneti, and so for some subclades. Surely a strong heavy enough presence in Croatia and around, at contact zones which could already be multi-ethnic spite some archeological convergences ? So without pleading against him, I think I can consider there was a big difference in time (and place?) between first J2b2 and say later Z597 by instance. My post was asking a precision of him, no more.
I cannot obtain the complementary infos about some papers, it is why I am short sometimes concerning haplo’s. BTW I see here that the Croatian group (Cetina) of the 1700-1400’s BA had already J2b2-L283 >>Y15058>...(Y15058 present among Etruscans too, according to some people), different of the Montenegro-Albanian group of roughly the same period who had L283 >>Z638>… Sure, it could be the result of forking of a same cultural primitive group. But it could be the sign of cultural separation too (linguistically, culturally) between the North and South groups. You know perhaps that the concept of ethnical unity in the Illyrian province as determined by Romans later is in debate, some scholars think that the northern part of western Balkans were linguistically more akin to Veneti. Here arguements depends on timing and on im-/possible archeologic contnuity between North Illyria and South Illyria at the mergins of BA and IA. Here I am short.
Someones about the Balkans questions seem thinking that numerous late BA cultures there were still tightly linked to
one Y-haplo subclade marker. I find this without too much basis for all these southern regions, where founder effect in small group can hide previous very more variated pannel of Y-haplo’s. BTW-2, I prefer the nuanced answers of Riverman on this matter of Y-haplo’s and cultures.
Based on my lacks, I would be very glad to have
all the Y-haplo’s of the BA/IA Balkans, culture by culture (and region), to see if I’m completely wrong.
& : maybe the direct link between Illyrians and Albanians ancestors is a mistake ? Only a question to myself. I do’nt wait any answer
here, too dangerous !