K7b Lazaridis et al. 2017 (Dodecad K7b)

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans, in combined raw data format, for Dodecad K7b[/FONT]

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I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,22.65,0,0.08,51.64,25.42,0.21
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,23.67,0,0.38,47.43,28.52,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,24.27,0,0.53,49.25,25.95,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,22.21,0,0.35,49.11,28.33,0
I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province,0,31.33,0,2.71,40.93,24.35,0.68
I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province,0,33.62,0.18,1.4,40.53,24.28,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province,0,34.82,0.13,2.92,41.95,19.74,0.43
I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,13.15,0,2.15,49.96,33.94,0.8
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,22.61,0,0.55,50.99,25.86,0
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,0,26.27,0,0.49,39.99,32.71,0.55
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0.36,15.84,0,0.65,46.51,36.54,0.09
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,0.49,18.69,0.88,3.04,37.28,39.38,0.24
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,21.6,0,0.73,40.65,37.02,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,0,17.73,0,1.4,34.95,45.92,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,19.26,0,0.86,51.08,28.8,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,12.13,2.52,0,52.68,31.22,1.45
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,12.99,0,0,51.08,35.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,21.69,0,0,48.8,29.51,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,26.94,0,0,49.97,23.1,0
 
Too bad that Armenoi sample is so unreliable. This version does put me a little closer to the one Mycenaean sample. Makes me sad I'm so far from the Minoans; one of my favorite cultures.

Distance to:angela
6.29387003I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
13.48408692I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
17.31640263I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
20.69998792I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
22.26658258I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
24.77961662I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
25.32232612I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
27.88914126I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
28.29610574I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
29.09217421I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
29.32003752I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
29.56796577I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
31.49904443I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
31.92240279I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
32.21982775I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
32.88659453I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
32.95443824I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
34.87317737I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
37.70120290I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
 
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Mine:

Distance to:Bigsnake49
12.12611232I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
16.10770002I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
19.01526229I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
21.12739217I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
25.60185735I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
29.07804326I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
29.35965599I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
29.42317624I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
29.91965575I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
30.63614205I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
30.69305785I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
30.84823172I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
32.41480834I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
32.48329725I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
33.84073729I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
34.27589678I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
34.45734174I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
34.61556297I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
34.97014298I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
 
Too bad that Armenoi sample is so unreliable. This version does put me a little closer to the one Mycenaean sample. Makes me sad I'm so far from the Minoans; one of my favorite cultures.

Distance to:angela
6.29387003I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
13.48408692I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
17.31640263I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
20.69998792I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
22.26658258I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
24.77961662I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
25.32232612I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
27.88914126I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
28.29610574I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
29.09217421I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
29.32003752I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
29.56796577I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
31.49904443I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
31.92240279I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
32.21982775I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
32.88659453I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
32.95443824I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
34.87317737I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
37.70120290I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province

Without the Armenoi sample, my "single" result is composed of two Mycenaean samples, however at 8.5+ distance.

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Without the Armenoi sample, my "single" result is composed of two Mycenaean samples, however at 8.5+ distance.

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I think we need samples with more steppe to fit us better.
 
...with dod 7 (by Jovialis), ... getting closer:

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My Dodecad 7 using Lazaridis et al 2017 Ancient Greek samples. Closer to the Mycenaean Greeks vs. Minoans.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
4.93154134I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
5.89158722I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
6.74245504I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
11.16441221I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
13.13417679I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
13.87903815I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
14.67297857I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
15.33178072I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
15.47671477I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
16.32847819I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
16.90629173I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
17.50386529I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
17.84991597I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
18.38965470I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
18.50282951I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
19.17182047I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
19.57782419I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
21.10822115I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
21.31373970I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete

Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 1.9575% / 1.95748127 | ADC: 0.25x

67.4I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
32.6I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 2.1446% / 2.14456946 | ADC: 0.5x

67.8I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
26.6I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
5.6I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese


Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 4.2005% / 4.20045505 | ADC: 1x

65.8I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
28.2I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
6.0I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese


Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 4.9315% / 4.93154134 | ADC: 2x

100.0I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
 
Palermo, that's pretty close, much closer than me for sure. It would help if we had some modern Cretan DNA to compare it to.
 
Palermo, that's pretty close, much closer than me for sure. It would help if we had some modern Cretan DNA to compare it to.

The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

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The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

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Common source / shared Ancestry:

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Salento: I would think your updated ancient map of matches would look similar to mine. Am I correct?
 
Salento: I would think your updated ancient map of matches would look similar to mine. Am I correct?

Yes, more or less,

but the Chroma-Analysis samples I posted are connected to me and to each other at the chromosomal level:

” Multiple samples can share the same segments, this can denote greater common ancestry”

...
You should have them too.
 
Yes, more or less,

but the Chroma-Analysis samples I posted are connected to me and to each other at the chromosomal level:

” Multiple samples can share the same segments, this can denote greater common ancestry”

...
You should have them too.

Ok, yes, I need to go back and check the Chroma-Analysis.
 
My Greek friend gets the following

Distance to:Chris
10.07360909I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
11.90707773I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
12.59780536I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
14.83348577I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
16.39738089I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
16.51671880I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
18.99042654I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
20.08867343I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
20.37512945I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
20.93893264I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
21.40357447I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
21.62056660I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
23.38093240I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
23.52176864I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
23.53762732I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
24.25064329I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
24.76740398I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
25.42504081I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
27.97856501I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete

Target: Chris
Distance: 758.3162% / 7.58316185

53.6I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete46.4I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province

( Why does it look like the distance % is glitched ? It happens only with Dodecad )
 
Mine

Distance to:Stuvanè_Dodecadk7b
6.55855929I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
13.26871885I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
17.03275374I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
21.40057009I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
21.42168994I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
25.86476948I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
26.22964163I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
27.92743991I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
28.08697741I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
29.07277593I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
29.86000502I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
30.21347547I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
30.80269956I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
31.29061041I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
31.63997155I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
32.19990683I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
32.95317435I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
34.49393860I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
36.49975068I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province


Target: Stuvanè_Dodecadk7b
Distance: 6.5586% / 6.55855929

100.0I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
 
The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

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Yeah, both modern day descendants of the Minoans and the Myceneans. I would also like some Classical Antiquity Greeks to test.
 
Completely unscientific and based on a few data points but it seems that our Italian friends are closer to the Minoans and Myceneans than some of the modern Greeks. I would like some of the other Greeks that hang around here to take the test. Maybe they will make a liar out of me but I think the modern Italians had less admixture events than the Greeks.
 

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