LivingDNA Living DNA launching One Family One World Project in cooperation with Eupedia

People, do not be fools. Do not share your raw DNA data with any company or project, free or non-free, who did not start working and delivering results. Never support any unfinished product. This is irresponsible for both sides.
 
I think Ancestry.com has now much more interesting regions for Poland, and they are provided it now, not in the future. No Greater Poland, Tomenable will be furious:) But Masovia & Lodz ok!

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I would love to see regions based on genetic differences not modern or latest historical geopolitical concepts. Collect DNA and let algorithms determine that.
 
I would love to see regions based on genetic differences not modern or latest historical geopolitical concepts. Collect DNA and let algorithms determine that.
We already know the data they provide us is nonsense because the autosomal bottlenecks should match the non-autosomal ones.
 
I am excited to announce that Eupedia is teaming up with Living DNA to launch the largest genetic ancestry project to date, which will cover most of the world's countries, regions and ethnic groups. It is called the One Family One World Project (see blog post) and it aims to initially recruit 100,000 participants to analyse and map the genetic variations in the big human family. You can see the various regional projects here (click on the region's name to access the project's page). People who have already done a DNA test with another company can upload their results and take part for free.

Sounds great, count me in....


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Might also want to tell them their decision to include Kosova as a region of Serbia is pigheaded and politically charged. I already emailed them twice with no response in over a week. They really are not making themselves look good, especially with swindling everyone into submitting their raw data under the pretense ancestry breakdown would be provided.

Kosovo was always listed as a separate region from Serbia. The colours were the same because the programme assigned colours randomly. They now have clearly distinct colours.

Kosovo has now been added in the list of countries. It was an oversight of the person encoding the countries.
 
Sorry this is a hoax. They wanted to steal our rawdata for free and they give us nearly nothing.
First of all the ETA is now August 2018 for everybody. And it was told it will be few days!

Secondly read this!

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Maciamo, if you have any influence on them. Please tell them that we want free ethnicity estimate not matching, and not in August 2018!


If that's correct then their info is quite misleading. Here's the text after you finish your account:

Welcome to Living DNA.


You now have a lifetime membership where you will be able to view your ancestry breakdown in ever expanding detail.

Once we receive your samples, our scientists will be working hard to find out where you come from. When your results are ready, you will be able to view them on this portal, which uses maps and visuals to show you as simply as possible what makes you up. You can view your map on a global, regional or sub-regional level, giving you the most detailed breakdown possible.

As well as giving you your ancestry breakdown today, Living DNA also show you what your ancestral patterns looked like and where they came from, going back approximately 80,000 years ago, showing we are all connected at some point in history. We've also given you your own dotty avatar, a unique way to visualise your breakdown and share and compare your results with others.

Our testing package not only looks at your family line, but also looks at your motherline and fatherline (fatherline results only available to males, as women don’t have a Y chromosome). By looking at this detail, we can show you the speculated migration patterns of these lines, giving you a complete story of your ancestry.


I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.
 
I've already tested with Living Dna ... to attend what do I have to do? thank you
 
Sorry this is a hoax. They wanted to steal our rawdata for free and they give us nearly nothing.

First of all the ETA is now August 2018 for everybody. And it was told it will be few days!

Secondly read this!

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Maciamo, if you have any influence on them. Please tell them that we want free ethnicity estimate not matching, and not in August 2018!



Course it is a scam.

Never liked Living DNA to begin with. The customer service only recite worthless scripted responses - if you ask something beyond that scripted response they're useless - and I even got a hold of a "researcher" whose response to a question was far below what I'd expect for a "specialist".

But this scam is beyond unprofessional.



Worse to this scam is how they treat the response. Try asking to delete your data/profile.

They pull a whole whack of bullshit - first about their supposed "superior than any other company" security & then they will ignore your requests to delete your profile until you are basically bombarding / shouting at customer service.

When they do acknowledge your request the implication is whenever they get around to it they might delete your data. I have never encountered a genetic company that basically says we'll let you know when & if the deletion of your data is done. It should be, like almost every other company, near enough automatic.

And notice how they don't have any way for you to delete it yourself.

Update to the deleting - apparently it takes 14 business days.
 
I think Ancestry.com has now much more interesting regions for Poland, and they are provided it now, not in the future. No Greater Poland, Tomenable will be furious:) But Masovia & Lodz ok!

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it is still in beta mode and sucks at the moment. My father gets a broad eastern european grouping, which consists of Poland, the czech rep., and a few slovak samples. My sister gets Czechs lol and neither my mother or me and my brother get any sort of eastern Population(though we have high eastern euro rates in our ethnicity estimate). Im excited for living dna to do better than all These generic testing companies. At least they are trying to work with People and break down populations how they should be broken down.
 
Course it is a scam.
Never liked Living DNA to begin with. The customer service only recite worthless scripted responses - if you ask something beyond that scripted response they're useless - and I even got a hold of a "researcher" whose response to a question was far below what I'd expect for a "specialist".
But this scam is beyond unprofessional.
Worse to this scam is how they treat the response. Try asking to delete your data/profile.
They pull a whole whack of bullshit - first about their supposed "superior than any other company" security & then they will ignore your requests to delete your profile until you are basically bombarding / shouting at customer service.
When they do acknowledge your request the implication is whenever they get around to it they might delete your data. I have never encountered a genetic company that basically says we'll let you know when & if the deletion of your data is done. It should be, like almost every other company, near enough automatic.
And notice how they don't have any way for you to delete it yourself.
Update to the deleting - apparently it takes 14 business days.
14 days to perform a simple split second database query? Or are they that horribly lacking in bandwidth?
On top of that...14 BUSINESS DAYS??? Why business days? Do servers shut down over the weekend? Am I missing something here?
And a lot of companies are notorious for useless responses. Apple I might add is notorious for canned and overly simplistic responses from support personnel, and I remember the cheap response Jovialis received from 23andme saying (drum roll) that it's possible to have full ancestry from a particular region (oh woooow duuuuuhhhhh reaaalllyyy) as if he's a 4 year old or an imbecile
 
Kosovo was always listed as a separate region from Serbia. The colours were the same because the programme assigned colours randomly. They now have clearly distinct colours.

Kosovo has now been added in the list of countries. It was an oversight of the person encoding the countries.

Drop down lists it as Kosovo-Metohija, Yugoslavia. At least it did for me. Last time I checked, that is not what its part of. Again, whoever set up the site that way obviously put their political views in the mix.
 
I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.

That does not answer the question of why we were all lied to and ancestry breakdown was even pushed not only on the project page, but even in confirmation emails. Last time I checked, when you tell people they will receive one thing and you lie and back pedal once you have their DNA data, its called Fraud. They never made their intentions clear until after they had anyones DNA data, up until that point, the project page, and emails clearly stated ancestry breakdown would be provided. To falsely advertise and double back once you have what you want is FRAUD. I reckon, if they want to save face, they provide what was promised or watch their reputation go to shit.
 





I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.

What are you trying to say in the second sentence
 
it is still in beta mode and sucks at the moment. My father gets a broad eastern european grouping, which consists of Poland, the czech rep., and a few slovak samples. My sister gets Czechs lol and neither my mother or me and my brother get any sort of eastern Population(though we have high eastern euro rates in our ethnicity estimate). Im excited for living dna to do better than all These generic testing companies. At least they are trying to work with People and break down populations how they should be broken down.

Ancestry...........another crappy site
 
14 days to perform a simple split second database query? Or are they that horribly lacking in bandwidth?
On top of that...14 BUSINESS DAYS??? Why business days? Do servers shut down over the weekend? Am I missing something here?

14 business days before they'll actually may delete your profile/data. Once you ask & they acknowledge you asked, which may take a few days of "shouting" at them for them to even acknowledge the request.

As for missing something ... it seems to be a rather crappy company.
 
I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.


The more I read the more LivingDNA seems like a rather unprofessional company. Comparable to 23&me and the screwup with their health testing / FDA approval a while back. However, 23&me had the benefit of running for a while before the health test issue came to light. Living DNA doesn't and they've already done a sledgehammer's worth of damage to their reputation with this seemingly poorly written OneWorld project.


There was, after all, no mention of a fee originally. Makes one wonder what was the actual purpose of the OneWorld when it seems they had no intentions of honouring the seeming agreement in their piss-poor summary. The "matching" idea seems sort of like an "oops" response - a better offer them something sort of deal - than anything professionally thought out. It'd be available sooner than what 10 months otherwise.




However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.


So LivingDNA has no references? Nothing from the various databases out there? That's odd because they have implied - as like in the Scottish project - they are getting data from somewhere. Or was that some sort of a fib to attract interest? Either way, this makes the initial purpose of OneWorld questionable.


Results will be mostly from that region - so does that mean references [or their relatives] won't get much in relation to secondary populations? And for people who are not related to the references how useful [or useless] is the test going to be?


The latter is, after all, a problem with Ancestry's Genetic Communities for some people. As someone elsewhere put it people with "homogenous" ancestry - e.g. small towns, remote, not a lot of movement, etc. - don't often get a "Community" on Ancestry. And Ancestry's data is mostly composed from their clients I believe, sort of like LivingDNA's snap decision OneWorld.
 
I've heard LivingDNA won't give you your negative Y-DNA SNPs, which will be over 15,000+ SNPs for most people. I haven't been able to find a public list of all the SNPs they test for either.

DNA companies seem to favor obscurity so their claims cannot be independently verified.
 

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