You're the one who purposely involved WW2 where whole world was in and made a confusion. You know very well that I was initially talking about other US wars. Random thoughts?
Duhh...
I've never said that US lost any war. It is not about the victory or defeat. It is not about how you interpreted the outcome - do Vietnamese think they won, or do Americans, I simply don't care. I'm talking about situation down on Earth. I don't care about mental interpretations of people involved.
I guess, now we have to stick to only your mental interpretation of US wars. How objective...
Where the heck have you seen that I ever said that US lost any war?! From my every post you can clearly see that it pulled off almost everything it could from every war involved.
Sorry, I didn't have a clue that you've set the rules and interpretations.
Go cherry pick.
Why are you saying this? I know that. I already talked about that in my previous post. You think that came for free? Do YOU know how economy works, and why US got enormously richer after every WW?
US was already biggest and richest economy even before the war, so there is no secret that they were still the richest 6 years later. Considering the fact that only US, from all the big economies didn't have the war on their soil and didn't get bombed and ruined, they surely stayed even richer when compared to destroyed Europe and Asia after the war. And yet they rushed with money to help Europe with Marshal Plan.
If you label those actions as help, it can be also said that US helped Hitler during.
Why not talk about Communist Russia helping Hitler. At least we have a clean cut communist government helping Hitler and not just few private companies doing business in Germany.
Yeah, so would Germans be stuck in Poland, if there was not for US petrol.
I'm sure they would be stuck in Serbia too, and you would be none existent. If you believe the words of the greatest soviet general Zhukov, then you should thank the US for saving your parents lives and yours. He said that Russia wouldn't survived without US help. I guess you know better than Zhukov about this subject.
t seems you just hate Russia. It doesn't have anything with communism.
I hate communism because I was born and had to live in it. I don't hate Russia or Russians. I have Russian friends.
You seem to be obsessed with money. And you value peoples lives with amount money they have. What's with that? I don't get it. You should seriously address that. Don't do it anymore - for your own sake, for your kids sake and for world prosperity sake. Change is slow, but possible.
Another wrong assumption of yours. You are wrong about me as you are wrong about US and economy in general. I said this:
It's not about money, it's about production!
I've already told you everything about those wars. Let me start again, and concentrate on what's most important.
"Same outcome - more dead than in any other solution, country infrastructure and economy destroyed, industry exhausted and in possession of foreign corporations, imposed governments that serves US interests, youth indoctrinated and Usianized and military bases closer to Russia and China."
Why are you ignoring good stories like Japan, West Germany, South Korea. All prosperous and with US bases on them. You should conclude that having US bases is good for countries, wouldn't you? Isn't it a pattern? Look at all the countries which kicked US out, like Vietnam and Iraq. Still poor.
Yeah, the west Germany was scorched ? Did they build all those 18/9th century building and bridges after WW2. There was almost no war in west Germany. US and UK never really fought Hitler. What happened at Dunkirk?
Yes, nothing was as devastated as East Germany after soviet steamroller when through. West Germany got help from US with Marshal Plan, but East Germany's factories were stripped from all the machines and were taken by Soviets to Russia. You were lucky Soviets didn't "liberate" Yugoslavia.
I don't believe what aggressor says. Like we didn't believe Hitler, we should not believe Americans. Why do you? You always believe what someone says to you? I don't think so. So, why do you take for granted the 'vindications for war'?
Assuming that aggressor or stronger country only lies is illogical, same as believing that poor country only says truth.
I don't even assume that you lie, I'm assuming that you see the world differently. From my point of view (as per latest example) your assumptions are way off and you are jumping in conclusion based more on your emotions than logic.
Sadly but it isn't. There has been CIA organized revolution in Serbia, and they got hold of the government in 2000.
Again you're jumping in conclusions lead by your feelings. Logically, there is no benefit for US to disestablished Middle East. Oil prices will go up and this is counter productive to US economy. One of main reasons US attacked Iraq and Afghanistan was to bring stability in Middle East, to make sure oil is produced with lowest prices possible. Saddam already caused two wars there, and Taliban and Al Qaeda's goal was to bring Islamic "revolution" to all Middle East, and the world. Both cases very positive to high oil prices.
Yes, but US is the one who is starting them all.
Wrong memory. Japan attacked US first, North Korea invaded South, South and North vietnamese communists were attacking South Vietnam government forces, Iraq attacked Kuwait, Al Qaeda attacked US. Can't you see that in most of the cases US is being attacked first?
So it's all about free market? Where US can dominate the market with it's enormous wealth that it made in big wars?
Please, enlighten us with numbers how much money US made on Iraq war, or Afghanistan war. Don't forget to subtract the costs of war. Otherwise I'm going to treat this as another conspiracy of yours.
They just want the resources. Why are you thinking that money has a certain magical value, and that it is valued more that real, material, perceptible goods like cocaine or heroin? They print money....on HP and Epson printer. They don't care about deficit. That number of $12343245 is of no importance. It is important that you have actual control on the field.
This number of no importance now is killing Greece and Portugal, and soon can strangle Italy and Spain. If real life shows you examples that numbers matter, how come you keep thinking that they don't. Life shows you otherwise but you keep believing it.
It is like not believing in gravity, because people fly to space and to the moon. After all, gravity is just the number,
9.81 m/s2
You obviously haven't even seen the video I've sent you. By saying things like this, you've proven that you have absolutely no idea what has happened on the territory of Yugoslavia. With you being like that, there is no point of speaking about the subject. Are you ever going to inform yourself?
My knowledge of Yugoslavia is not better than yours about the world.
Yes, I know that economy that West created is about money and production.
You know wrong. It is about production, money is a tool to exchange products and services more efficiently. Economy can exist without money, it is called bartel market. How do you think people traded before money was invented?
If you don't produce, you make no money and you die, just like sharks - when they stop swimming they die. They got you in debts, and once you lose your job you're out. That's why you have to be humble to your superiors, that made it possible for you to keep your house, your wife and your kids. That's why you work all day till dusk while some other go to Bahamas.
In Canada we work hard and then we go Bahamas to rest. Nothing wrong with this. Maybe you should change your country to more capitalistic one, where things work better for people?
Speaking about economy you also forgot to mention the surplus/deficit relation. Because some countries live in wealth other countries have no food.
Let me stress it again, we have a lot because we produce. Canada produces 4 times more food we can eat. Surprisingly we never had a colony to steal from. Actually we were a British colony, so according to your theory of deficit, we should be poor and dieing, right? Please drop these crazy books you are reading. They are confusing you.
You look like a Darwinist who thinks that better and stronger should survive, while others should die, and you're pestering me about communism because I think that those people should be given peace and food.
These are two separate things. One can understand how the world works, what is best economy, how to stay strong, how cruel the mother nature is, or people in this respect. However it doesn't mean one doesn't have humane and social feelings and be a loving father, helpful friend, sending aid to Africa, be a productive member of society, pay taxes and be proud of it.
All successful modern countries have free market capitalism. On other hand from all countries which tried communistic or socialistic economy only two still continues, and they are one of poorest on this planet.
What is your choice? Will you choose with logic, or with your feelings?
