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This is just one of evidences, name of Ireland is from Eriu/Eria, a Celtic goddess, Eriu was a major goddess in Hyrcania, She was worshiped in Elam with the name of Eria, The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria: https://www.google.com/books/editio...n&gbpv=1&dq=Eria&pg=PT122&printsec=frontcover She was actually a Kassite (Compare Celtic Cassi) goddess from the Caspian region who was worshiped in Babylon after the Kassite conquest with the name of Eriu/Eru: https://xing.fmi.uni-jena.de/mediawiki/index.php/ERU_(Goddess)
About Wolf and Ireland/Hyrcania, we know other than Romulus and Remus, in Irish mythology Cormac mac Airt was also nourished by a she-wolf, an important point about Sasanian stamp-seal is its inscription:
"Inscription transliteration: B'nwky.
The name corresponds to new Persian Banu 'lady' a epithet of the goddess Anahita also in frequent use as a proper name."
The Persian word for "lady" is zan from Proto-Indo-European *gʷḗn, benu/banu is actually a Celtic word.
"Inscription transliteration: B'nwky.
The name corresponds to new Persian Banu 'lady' a epithet of the goddess Anahita also in frequent use as a proper name."
The Persian word for "lady" is zan from Proto-Indo-European *gʷḗn, benu/banu is actually a Celtic word.
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If in Persian zan is for lady or woman (zhena in Slavic) I don't understand how Persian banu could be of the same IE root as it's the case for Celtic *ben- and correspond to lady or wife or woman -About Wolf and Ireland/Hyrcania, we know other than Romulus and Remus, in Irish mythology Cormac mac Airt was also nourished by a she-wolf, an important point about Sasanian stamp-seal is its inscription:
"Inscription transliteration: B'nwky.
The name corresponds to new Persian Banu 'lady' a epithet of the goddess Anahita also in frequent use as a proper name."
The Persian word for "lady" is zan from Proto-Indo-European *gʷḗn, benu/banu is actually a Celtic word.
I don't rely on religions and gods myths and symbols (not strictly) when tracing origins, so much things are common to all Humanity.
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If in Persian zan is for lady or woman (zhena in Slavic) I don't understand how Persian banu could be of the same IE root as it's the case for Celtic *ben- and correspond to lady or wife or woman -About Wolf and Ireland/Hyrcania, we know other than Romulus and Remus, in Irish mythology Cormac mac Airt was also nourished by a she-wolf, an important point about Sasanian stamp-seal is its inscription:
"Inscription transliteration: B'nwky.
The name corresponds to new Persian Banu 'lady' a epithet of the goddess Anahita also in frequent use as a proper name."
The Persian word for "lady" is zan from Proto-Indo-European *gʷḗn, benu/banu is actually a Celtic word.
I don't rely on religions and gods myths and symbols (not strictly) when tracing origins, so much things are common to all Humanity.
I ad that for a linguist goid- is not by force "smilar" to god-
for Eire and Eriu, look at Wiki:
The modern Irish Éire evolved from the Old Irish word Ériu, which was the name of Ireland and of a Gaelic goddess. Ériu is generally believed to have been the matron goddess of Ireland, a goddess of sovereignty, or simply a goddess of the land. Ériu has been derived from reconstructed Archaic Irish *Īweriū, and further from the Proto-Celtic *Φīwerjon- (nominative singular Φīwerjū). This suggests descent from the Proto-Indo-European *piHwerjon- ("fertile land" or "abundant land"), from the adjective *piHwer- ("fat") – cognate with Ancient Greek píeira and Sanskrit pīvarī, ("fat, full, abounding").
The irish, Eireann (modern) is said Ywerddon in Welsh and Iwerzhon in Breton - you have to be very cautious when comparing modern Celtic languages to ancient Iranic (or else) ones, because Celtic languages have the greatest trend to phonetic lenition and consonants drops, Gaelic the best at this sport...
About the Etymology of Ériu: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ériu#Old_Irish Probably, although the É is unexpected and unexplained, from Proto-Celtic *Φīweriyū.
Meaning, Origin And History Of The Name Ériu - frankiepeach.com
Meaning of Ériu Ériu is a significant figure in Irish mythology, often considered the primordial goddess associated with Ireland itself. Her name, Ériu, is believed to be the original name for Ireland, derived from an older Celtic word possibly meaning “Ireland” or “the land of abundance.” This...
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Ériu is a Gaelic name of uncertain etymology but with deep roots in Irish mythology and ancient culture.
Origin:
The name’s origin is debated among scholars, with several theories circulating.
1. **From the Proto-Celtic word *aerios* or *airīo*:** This theory suggests Ériu derives from a root meaning “earth,” “land,” or “island.” This aligns with its association as the personification of Ireland.
2. **From the Irish goddess Eriu, who embodies the land and sovereignty of Ireland:** This connection links the name directly to mythology and reinforces the concept of Ériu as a representation of Ireland itself.
3. **A later evolution from an older name or title:** Some linguists propose that Ériu evolved from a less known earlier term, perhaps connected to ancient Celtic deities or place names.
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If in Persian zan is for lady or woman (zhena in Slavic) I don't understand how Persian banu could be of the same IE root as it's the case for Celtic *ben- and correspond to lady or wife or woman -About Wolf and Ireland/Hyrcania, we know other than Romulus and Remus, in Irish mythology Cormac mac Airt was also nourished by a she-wolf, an important point about Sasanian stamp-seal is its inscription:
"Inscription transliteration: B'nwky.
The name corresponds to new Persian Banu 'lady' a epithet of the goddess Anahita also in frequent use as a proper name."
The Persian word for "lady" is zan from Proto-Indo-European *gʷḗn, benu/banu is actually a Celtic word.
I don't rely on religions and gods myths and symbols (not strictly) when tracing origins, so much things are common to all Humanity.
I ad that for a linguist goid- is not by force "smilar" to god-
for Eire and Eriu, look at Wiki:
The modern Irish Éire evolved from the Old Irish word Ériu, which was the name of Ireland and of a Gaelic goddess. Ériu is generally believed to have been the matron goddess of Ireland, a goddess of sovereignty, or simply a goddess of the land. Ériu has been derived from reconstructed Archaic Irish *Īweriū, and further from the Proto-Celtic *Φīwerjon- (nominative singular Φīwerjū). This suggests descent from the Proto-Indo-European *piHwerjon- ("fertile land" or "abundant land"), from the adjective *piHwer- ("fat") – cognate with Ancient Greek píeira and Sanskrit pīvarī, ("fat, full, abounding").
The irish, Eireann (modern) is said Ywerddon in Welsh and Iwerzhon in Breton - you have to be very cautious when comparing modern Celtic languages to ancient Iranic (or else) ones, because Celtic languages have the greatest trend to phonetic lenition and consonants drops, Gaelic the best at this sport...
OK for the debated eymologies of Eiru and Cy.
I fear you 'll find an hundred or more Iran deities/places/personal names with their counterpart in Ireland or Iceland by comparing hazardous phonetic similarities, whatever the divergent evolutions of their respective languages - among them, a few 'll be correct, since we are speaking of PIE derived languages; that doesn' permit us to elaborate too simplistic correlations and ancient stories. I don't understand what your aim is here. To prove the IE cradle was in Iran ? (what is possible) - but it isn't by this way you 'll do it, IMO.
I am talking specifically about the Celtic culture, ancient Celtic festivals, such as Imbolc (February), Beltane (May), Lughnasadh (August) and Samhain (October) are still held in the south of Caspian sea.
Compare Gilaki and Gaelic folklore:
In the ʿarusgule, a ḡul, wearing a rice straw hat and holding a stick and small bells, challenges a pirbābu, a beardless young man disguised as an old man, to win the nāz ḵānom’s heart, a girl dressed as a bride interpreted by a boy in disguise (see additional accounts in Enjavi, pp. 169-71).
One custom undergoing a revival today is the tradition of strawboys visiting the wedding. Strawboys, who were groups of revellers disguised in straw costume and wearing conical straw hats over their faces, have traditionally visited weddings to dance with the bride and other women, entertained with music, songs and jokes. Their presence was believed to bring luck, wealth and health to the newlyweds.
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There are several types of “Celts.” The ones most culturally connected are those from Central Europe and the British Isles — Hallstatt, Unetice, and La Tène — but there are more lineages descending from the Bell Beakers. That’s why there are other groups like the Gaels, Lusitanians, Celtiberians, and Etruscans, who were genetically Celtic but adopted other cultures and languages.
The R1a-Z93 who invaded your region were born in the Altai, where the highest concentration of Z93* is found today. Later, they were in the area of Ukraine, where they absorbed culture, and around 2500 BC they invaded Iran between 2000–1500 BC.
They brought Western folklore with them — not the other way around.
Depending on your paternal lineage, your genes followed one path or another. If you’re Z93, you weren’t Iranian until after 2000 BC. If you’re J1, J2, G, or T — native lineages and similar — then you were invaded at that time.
Until then, you didn’t have Indo-European culture — only Indo-Anatolian and Mesopotamian.
This R1a-Z93 story is outdated, Ancient DNA indicates 3,000 years of genetic continuity in the Northern Iranian Plateau, from the Copper Age to the Sassanid Empire.
If you believe R1b relates to the Celtic people, it came from Hyrcania in the southeast of Caspian sea:
Of course the Celtic culture spread there later, it could be related to Gedrosian admixture:
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You are using genetic distortions and outdated maps (like Maciamo’s from 2015) to reinforce a narrative that reflects more of an ego issue than current scientific reality.
This R1a-Z93 story is outdated, Ancient DNA indicates 3,000 years of genetic continuity in the Northern Iranian Plateau, from the Copper Age to the Sassanid Empire.
If you believe R1b relates to the Celtic people, it came from Hyrcania in the southeast of Caspian sea:
Of course the Celtic culture spread there later, it could be related to Gedrosian admixture:
If we’re going to talk about genetics seriously, it’s important to clarify a few basic points:
R1b-L151, which emerged around 3500–2500 BCE, was not only responsible for one of the largest male lineage expansions in history, but also served as the genetic and cultural engine behind the consolidation of Atlantic, Celtic, Italic, and later Imperial Europe. Its legacy is undeniable: over 300 million men today carry this haplogroup.
Its expansion was not accidental—it was selective, swift, and decisive. Along its trajectory, it absorbed around 16 maternal haplogroups—Neolithic European and Anatolian included—giving rise to what we now call the “Atlantic-Mediterranean” blend, which laid the foundations of Western civilization.
There’s no need to get into absurd provocations about supremacy: the facts are that those who carried L151 played a decisive role in technological, political, and social development from the Late Bronze Age to the modern era—including the creation of the contemporary world, from the Scientific Revolution to the space race and even nuclear energy, all within just 4,500 years.
You, on the other hand, seem to be lost in an identity confusion: modern Iranian populations are predominantly J2, speak a language that originated with R1a-Z93, and pray to a God whose original priestly caste belongs mainly to J1.
It’s understandable that you’re confused.
This is not about disparaging any region of the world, but about refusing to tolerate falsifications.
So if you can’t respect historical and genetic rigor, at least try not to make a fool of yourself.
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It is ironic that someone who today professes a religion imported during the Middle Ages (with all due respect to individual faith) dares to judge as “barbaric” the indigenous European cultures that existed thousands of years before Rome.
In the Iberian Peninsula, for example, the “motillas” —such as the one at Azuer— are an impressive example of hydraulic engineering: a stone and lime mortar well over 4,000 years old, the oldest in Europe, and still standing.
This speaks of an organized society, with solid technical knowledge and cultural continuity.
Meanwhile, in many areas of Western Asia, sun-dried mudbrick constructions would dissolve in the rain and had to be rebuilt every couple of centuries. This is not a value judgment, but rather a difference in materials and solutions adapted to each environment.
Moreover, we reject the narrative that J2 —or more specifically, the Iranic-Median lineages— “civilized Europe.”
First, because it is neither historically nor genetically accurate; and second, because some subclades of J2 have been in Europe for over 5,000 years, completely disconnected from the Iranian or Indo-Iranian context.
Europe had autonomous civilizations, with their own technical, artistic, and social achievements long before any contact with the Iranian or Eastern Mediterranean world.
But originally Civilized People were J2 and Barbarians were R1b.
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They were first the Europeans who adopted a Semitic religion and most of Europeans still believe in Jesus but Iranians have several times chanted "We are Aryans, we don't worship Arab god": https://*****/IndicSoul_/status/1903092885517430900
It sounds good that there is a building in Europe which dates back to 4,000 years ago but Iranians started to build these things in the ancient sites like Ali Kosh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kosh from about 10,000 years ago.
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The Roman Catholic Empire and its adoption of a Semitic religion…
We were the murderers of Christ by order of the Old Testament itself.
Around year 0, the best-documented prophet from the East, carrier of haplogroup IJK*, claimed to be the King of Salem.
That was a problem for the Jewish J1-P58* castes, who argued that he wasn’t registered in their genealogical book of priestly castes, and they had him nailed to a cross for heresy—so we could resurrect him 300 years later.
Judas betrays.
Rome executes the IJK* Christ.
Rome resurrects the R1b-P312 Christ.
The Historical Jesus and the Catholic one are not the same—in the West, anyone who interprets the Bible literally gets labeled mentally ill.
If you Shiites aren’t Semitic, then you should fire Mohammed and resurrect Zoroaster.
The Old Testament makes it pretty clear that only a Hebrew-speaking J1 tracing back to 10,000 BC is a son of God—and the rest of us aren’t even human. That’s why the Orthodox always seem to have military problems with their close neighbors.
I didn’t name some random building—I named one that still stands to this day.
How could people who built with mud houses ever civilize those building with stone and lime mortar since 2000 BC?
And if you also claim the Ziggurats as yours, they’re the best example of how useless building with mud was—since they melted every 200 years.
You let Alexander the Great conquer you because he was also Iranian, right?
Seems like you forget you never got past the Aegean, even with numerical superiority.
Stop claiming things in Europe and focus instead on figuring out what race you actually are.
At best, the mark of Neolithic Iran in the Imperial Romans comes from distant cousins of yours who left Iran and never came back—genetic merit doesn’t work over Wi-Fi; it has nothing to do with you.
Military claims are made through the Y-chromosome, not with poorly calibrated autosomal mixes.
The Roman Catholic Empire and its adoption of a Semitic religion…
We were the murderers of Christ by order of the Old Testament itself.
Around year 0, the best-documented prophet from the East, carrier of haplogroup IJK*, claimed to be the King of Salem.
That was a problem for the Jewish J1-P58* castes, who argued that he wasn’t registered in their genealogical book of priestly castes, and they had him nailed to a cross for heresy—so we could resurrect him 300 years later.
Judas betrays.
Rome executes the IJK* Christ.
Rome resurrects the R1b-P312 Christ.
The Historical Jesus and the Catholic one are not the same—in the West, anyone who interprets the Bible literally gets labeled mentally ill.
If you Shiites aren’t Semitic, then you should fire Mohammed and resurrect Zoroaster.
The Old Testament makes it pretty clear that only a Hebrew-speaking J1 tracing back to 10,000 BC is a son of God—and the rest of us aren’t even human. That’s why the Orthodox always seem to have military problems with their close neighbors.
I didn’t name some random building—I named one that still stands to this day.
How could people who built with mud houses ever civilize those building with stone and lime mortar since 2000 BC?
And if you also claim the Ziggurats as yours, they’re the best example of how useless building with mud was—since they melted every 200 years.
You let Alexander the Great conquer you because he was also Iranian, right?
Seems like you forget you never got past the Aegean, even with numerical superiority.
Stop claiming things in Europe and focus instead on figuring out what race you actually are.
At best, the mark of Neolithic Iran in the Imperial Romans comes from distant cousins of yours who left Iran and never came back—genetic merit doesn’t work over Wi-Fi; it has nothing to do with you.
Military claims are made through the Y-chromosome, not with poorly calibrated autosomal mixes.
Of course we prefer to resurrect Mithras, not Zoroaster, Europeans should do the same thing, Map of Mithraea: https://www.mithraeum.eu/tabula
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Some of yout posts are interesting but here I don't see too well where you are going to. A "Moja bashing"? A n Y-haplo's heirs war?The Roman Catholic Empire and its adoption of a Semitic religion…
We were the murderers of Christ by order of the Old Testament itself.
Around year 0, the best-documented prophet from the East, carrier of haplogroup IJK*, claimed to be the King of Salem.
That was a problem for the Jewish J1-P58* castes, who argued that he wasn’t registered in their genealogical book of priestly castes, and they had him nailed to a cross for heresy—so we could resurrect him 300 years later.
Judas betrays.
Rome executes the IJK* Christ.
Rome resurrects the R1b-P312 Christ.
The Historical Jesus and the Catholic one are not the same—in the West, anyone who interprets the Bible literally gets labeled mentally ill.
If you Shiites aren’t Semitic, then you should fire Mohammed and resurrect Zoroaster.
The Old Testament makes it pretty clear that only a Hebrew-speaking J1 tracing back to 10,000 BC is a son of God—and the rest of us aren’t even human. That’s why the Orthodox always seem to have military problems with their close neighbors.
I didn’t name some random building—I named one that still stands to this day.
How could people who built with mud houses ever civilize those building with stone and lime mortar since 2000 BC?
And if you also claim the Ziggurats as yours, they’re the best example of how useless building with mud was—since they melted every 200 years.
You let Alexander the Great conquer you because he was also Iranian, right?
Seems like you forget you never got past the Aegean, even with numerical superiority.
Stop claiming things in Europe and focus instead on figuring out what race you actually are.
At best, the mark of Neolithic Iran in the Imperial Romans comes from distant cousins of yours who left Iran and never came back—genetic merit doesn’t work over Wi-Fi; it has nothing to do with you.
Military claims are made through the Y-chromosome, not with poorly calibrated autosomal mixes.
Monumental and solid elite buildings have been built in Near-East and a bit farther east. Megaliths and big Cairns have been built on Atlantic Europe shores since at least 4000 BC (before Malta). Plus d basic people houses and prestige buildings are two things. Plus you seem very obsessed by the concept of superiority/inferiority. Linked only to the ability to build temples and fortresses? Tents dwelling half-nomadic people has been able to impose their religion over more evolved people too (Muslims at first) what didn't prevent them to develop later an urban art of life . So...
This entire thread has gone off the rails.