Multiple choice; Where in Europe can Armenians and Georgians pass as natives?

[Kardu]

Well, the difference was also noticeable before, now it's just more evident. We'll see the v4 version how it looks.

Yes, hopefully he'll present it sometime soon

 

[Kardu]

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?p=622175

 

[Kardu]

Interesting website with lot of old and new photos of Armenians http://www.houshamadyan.org/en/home.html

 

[julia90]

they would fit without a problem in soutern europe from italy to the balkans.. i bet it would be difficult to spot them here from the locals

 

[Kardu]

they would fit without a problem in soutern europe from italy to the balkans.. i bet it would be difficult to spot them here from the locals

Genrally Armenians look Levantine, Georgians - South European. I myself could guess a native Georgian from any South European 999 times out 1000 because of specific shape of eyes, eyebrows and nose. But then again, I am interested in thistopic and have kind of a trained eye

 

[julia90]

Genrally Armenians look Levantine, Georgians - South European. I myself could guess a native Georgian from any South European 999 times out 1000 because of specific shape of eyes, eyebrows and nose. But then again, I am interested in thistopic and have kind of a trained eye

well dieneks said that west asian genes are very near to european genes, even more near to european genes than the genes he labeld "mediterranean", thought i don't remeber well and i didn't comprehend well to where the peak of mediterranean genes is.

here you can see, link:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fw1LU3Ln7oM/TuYW3xfUu6I/AAAAAAAAEW0/hdBpE8PV7Jg/s1600/1_2.png

 

[Kardu]

well dieneks said that west asian genes are very near to european genes, even more near to european genes than the genes he labeld "mediterranean", thought i don't remeber well and i didn't comprehend well to where the peak of mediterranean genes is.

here you can see, link:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fw1LU3Ln7oM/TuYW3xfUu6I/AAAAAAAAEW0/hdBpE8PV7Jg/s1600/1_2.png

This does not mechanically translate into a phenotype similarity.
There are indeed many common features between South Europeans and Georgians and particular individuals might be not distinguishable but in general one can see local peculiarities. I can even tell from which of the country a Georgian comes from by looks.

 

[julia90]

to me pure west asian or caucasian (as sometimes is called), can pass in italy without problem (and probably in all southern balkans)
??? i don't see any differences...

 

[Kardu]

How many of us have you seen in real life?
Yes, from the first glance many Georgians could pass for Italians but if one looks closer he or she will notice certain differences.
And West Asian/Caucasian types are quite distinct from each other as well.

 

[adamo]

In my opinion Georgians and Armenians can pass as certain Greeks, Italians, certainly Cretans Cypriots and Sicilians mostly

 

[albanopolis]

In Albania there is a community of 3000 Armenians from Ottoman holocaust time. I had seen them since I was a kid. Never new they were foreign until they created a society called "Armenians". I new they had the male names Armen very common but I thought that is just a name not common in Albania. Unless they tell you, one never knows they are not Albanians. In France they have a large community 400 000. In Albania any Caucasian fits. We have types whiter than swedes, blonder than 90% of Germanic's and dark types as the bottom of a frying pan. Any shade in between is there. DNA makeup shows that. Any possible Caucasian haplogroup is there. So, yes Armenians, Georgians fit perfectly in Albanian society.

 

[adamo]

Not all Albanians , only a 20% fraction of them are J2, and of those 20%, there is quite a lot of Greco-Albanian J2b, so subtract that, then those are similar to Armenians.

 

[American Idiot]

There isn't a box to tick for nowhere.

To my eye these people above don't look like any European population, I think it is the nose that makes the difference. If I had to choose anywhere I'd say Lebanon, which isn't Europe.

I agree with you.These photos look more Lebanese than anywhere else, IMO

 

[Alan]

But what I mean is, Georgians to me do not look any more Eastern European or Slavic than Armenians do.. they just simply don't look Lebanese-like the way Armenians do. Georgians have their own look that some Armenians share (the ones who don't look Levantine).

Thats absolutely a wrong statement. Anyone familiar with Armenians and Georgians can tell that Georgians look more like Balkanians/Southeast Europeans as Armenians do. Also the Images presented here are not very representativ and create a false impression.

Even putting Georgians and Armenians in the same category and asking with a poll were both could fit gives the wrong impression as if Georgians and Armenians are almost identical. But the reality is the genetic difference between Georgians and Armenians is as high as the genetic difference between German, French, Iberians or Italians.

Armenians usually vary from very Levantine+Cypriot to very Anatolian, Caucasian or Iranian looking. Georgians look more like East or South Europeans with an Iranian or Anatolian touch.

What I have noticed about most of Orea_Cookies threads is, she seems to have a clear picture in her head which she tries to impose on other by presenting relatively cherry picked images .

 

[Alan]

It's this picture..

I wouldn't like any of them as my neighbor.

This is one of these examples which are very badly chosen and give a false impression. The most "atypical" Georgians of all the group are the most highlited.

 

[Alan]

Though Google is not the best source but when I search for Georgian people the very first images which come up are these here.

 

[Alan]

When I google Armenian People some of the very first images which come up are these.

There is an obvious and visible difference. Usually North Armenians look closer to Georgians while South Armenians to Levantines+Cyrpiots, Anatolians, or Iranians. Anyone familiar with these two groups will confirm that and no set of selective images could change this reality.

 

[joeyc]

Georgians are basically Iranians/Kurds/Iraqis without ASI and with more ANE.

Armenians are Assyrians who shifted to an Indo European language.

POLAKWO's map is a joke and is not worth a penny outside of anthroboards.

 

[Alan]

Georgians are basically Iranians/Kurds/Iraqis without ASI and with more ANE.

Armenians are Assyrians who shifted to an Indo European language.

POLAKWO's map is a joke and is not worth a penny outside of anthroboards.

The map is not Polakos work. It is a map of MfA based on Polakos data.

I will list a view wrong things in your comment.
1.ASI and ANE (two components of two different calcultors from two completely differen't timeframes) are not conflicting components.
2. ANE is an ancestral component which partly gave birth to ASI too. So you can have higher ASI but at the same time also higher ANI.
3. ASI in Iranians is around 4%, among Kurds 1% and Iraqis should be relatively similar. I don't think this can be the only and main difference to Georgians. Georgians for example have significantly less of the southern farmer, Southwest Asian admixture https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEYlE#gid=0
4. ANE is slightly higher in both Iranians and Kurds than in Georgians.. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...SUrLf8R62NHPbMRySUJ2J48_Q/edit#gid=1410860471
5. Saying Georgians are basically Iranians/Kurds/Iraqis with more ANE (which is a false statement in itself just for the ANE part) is as logical as saying Germans are basically Italians with more North European less Mediterranean/Southwest Asian, because thats what they technically are. But outside Anthroboards no one would take serious.

 

[joeyc]

First of all do not quote pseudo scientific crap like Dodecad and Eurogenes.

Then Lazaridis et al found that Caucausians have higher ANE ancestry compared to Iranians, Armenians and other Middle Easterners. Otherwise they are pretty much the same. On the intra west Eurasian plot they are also very close.

Georgians are pretty much the same as Iranians, Kurds and non Beduin Iraqis, but without the ASI component. You can even see that in the spreadsheet from Lazaridis et al.

Said that I don't think none of them can really pass in Europe, let alone Eastern Europe like Russia and Poland where people are much lighter and Mesolitich influenced. Georgians are 0% Mesolitich while Poles are mostly Mesolitich (70% at least).