Multiple choice; Where in Europe can Armenians and Georgians pass as natives?

[Knovas]

Since all the data is showing Iberians as something they didn't expect, they try very hard to show things in a different way. That's what I call desperation and sickness.

Iberians have North African admixture, ok, but not in a substantial degree. No significant connection, I'm sorry.

 

[Drac]

I don't see any difference between Romania and Spain. But according to me people in Romania are somehow 'lighter' because of Slavic influence.

Basque people are definitely 'darker' than Georgians. Think about great sportmen like are Indurain, Gimenez but also non-Basques like Contador etc.

Unfortunately for your dreams, you are obviously not an anthropologist and you have no idea of what you are talking about. Not even Romania is lighter than Spain:

"The darkest skins occur in Portugal, southern Spain, southern Italy and Rumania." - Carleton S. Coon, "The Living Races of Man", page 63.

Notice that Spain is only partly included in this "darkest" European category, while Romania is wholly in it. So let alone Georgia, which is not even really a part of Europe.

And your absurd cherry-picking of pictures is hardly convincing. Two can play this game. Typical Georgians:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-01/28/xin_200103280909645316234.jpg

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/09/xin_5820406100927843150093.jpg

http://crisisingeorgia.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/georgians-2.jpg

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Frankly, I have very little trust in what Coon wrote, as he was an inveterate stereotyper and much of his information obtained second and third hand from physical anthropologists who did little field work.

Going by the body of autosomal research, on average, it is impossible for Georgians to be lighter than Spaniards, from any region of Spain.

 

[oreo_cookie]

Going by the body of autosomal research, on average, it is impossible for Georgians to be lighter than Spaniards, from any region of Spain.

Not only that but what they look like. Georgians look more like Iranians than Europeans and are not lighter than Spaniards.

 

[Knovas]

You can find rare cases of people who is lighter and darker than expected, but the average is what really counts.

 

[oreo_cookie]

You can find rare cases of people who is lighter and darker than expected, but the average is what really counts.

true. obviously some Georgians will be lighter than some Spaniards but as a rule, Spaniards are definitely lighter.

 

[oreo_cookie]

Georgians

 

[oreo_cookie]

Iberians have North African admixture, ok, but not in a substantial degree. No significant connection, I'm sorry.

Iberians have a small amount of North African-specific ancestry, but North Africans themselves are not entirely of original North African stock, they're very mixed. I think the explanation for European-like North Africans is that following the Reconquista, Muslims in Iberia of native stock probably were expelled as well and settled North Africa and intermixed.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Iberians have a small amount of North African-specific ancestry, but North Africans themselves are not entirely of original North African stock, they're very mixed. I think the explanation for European-like North Africans is that following the Reconquista, Muslims in Iberia of native stock probably were expelled as well and settled North Africa and intermixed.

Keep in mind that the majority of North African ancestry in Iberia is very old. The ancient Berber tribes of NA were fully caucasoid and likely looked closer to the "non-mixed" Ahmazigs of Kaybels you find today, rather than everyday Moroccans / Algerians. Big difference.

 

[oreo_cookie]

Keep in mind that the majority of North African ancestry in Iberia is very old. The ancient Berber tribes of NA were fully caucasoid and likely looked closer to the "non-mixed" Ahmazigs of Kaybels you find today, rather than everyday Moroccans / Algerians. Big difference.

This is very true. And going with what I said I'd bet modern North Africans have more Iberian mixture, than Iberians have North African, for the reason I said.

 

[Knovas]

Both of your observations make sense.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

This is very true. And going with what I said I'd bet modern North Africans have more Iberian mixture, than Iberians have North African, for the reason I said.

No question.

 

[oreo_cookie]

Anyone else have anything to add?

 

[Kardu]

Genetically how do Armenians and Georgians compare, anyone know?

According to Armenian Genetics Project among all their neighbors Armenians are farther from Georgians and are very close to Assyrians.

 

[Kardu]

Not sure if I am correct but I notice Nordicist views here Let me remind you that the first real civilization in Europe belongs to Etruscans who certainly were not pale and blue-eyed
In general this kind of discussions are silly and vain. Usually narrow-minded fanatics from all sides hijack the issue and there is no point arguing with them...

 

[oreo_cookie]

According to Armenian Genetics Project among all their neighbors Armenians are farther from Georgians and are very close to Assyrians.

I have read this before.

 

[Kardu]

I have read this before.

And I've recently watched online a lengthy presentation by Prof. Yepiskoposyan who is a main expert on Armenian DNA and he mentioned this.

 

[Kardu]

This might be interesting. Anthropological measurements from 1933 research.

http://www.dwc.knaw.nl/DL/publications/PU00016408.pdf

 

[Kardu]

For illustration I am going to post some photos of XIX century Georgians. Mostly they are from noble families, their genealogies are well-known so we can be certain that there was no recent admixture. Unlike of the current photos from the streets on which god knows who is depicted

 

[Kardu]