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Salento said:
All Outliers are located at the bottom of a 200 samples list,

I guess it’s another way of saying:

“There’s No Chance in Hell that you’re related to them”!

or, am I missing something?
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It might mean you line passed through the same lands as these samples but not related
 
With ancient populations

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With modern ones:

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I tend to deprecate the K23b, mostly because I cannot see how I could have that large amount of Ancestral Altaic, whatever that is, but then if a northern Italian can get a 3.19, maybe my 4.25 isn't so irrational. Because everything else checks out.

1		European_Hunters_Gatherers35.97
2European_Early_Farmers27.64
3Caucasian21.59
4South_Central_Asian5.87
5Ancestral_Altaic4.25
6North_African3.05


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_ @ 2.520670
2 Belgian_ @ 3.189655
3 Irish_ @ 3.521570
4 Frisian_ @ 3.740649
5 North_European_ @ 3.763905
6 South_German_ @ 4.837700
7 Dutch_ @ 4.853911
8 German-Volga_ @ 4.944228
9 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 4.947083
10 CEU_ @ 5.183545
11 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 5.436276
12 Welsh_ @ 5.771932
13 British_ @ 6.015256
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 6.884786
15 Norwegian_East_ @ 7.634028
16 Orcadian_ @ 7.697372
17 Norwegian_West_ @ 8.406718
18 Icelandic_ @ 8.414221
19 North_German_ @ 8.852917
20 Dane_ @ 8.975033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-Volga_ +50% North_European_ @ 2.036010


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish_ +25% Russian_North_ +25% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.491629


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.491629
2 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + North_German_ + Portugese_ @ 1.505818
3 Dane_ + Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Portugese_ @ 1.535320
4 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Portugese_ + Swede_ @ 1.568010
5 Frisian_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.585438
6 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Irish_ + Kashub_ + Portugese_ @ 1.607059
7 Italian_North_ + North_European_ + North_European_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.612856
8 Frisian_ + Irish_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.635453
9 Frisian_ + German_ + Irish_ + Portugese_ @ 1.638880
10 English_ + Italian_North_ + North_European_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.639687
11 Dutch_ + Frisian_ + Portugese_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.653451
12 Irish_ + Italian_North_ + North_European_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.655633
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.668169
14 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.683186
15 German_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + Portugese_ @ 1.690922
16 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Italian_North_ + Norwegian_East_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.691695
17 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 1.700476
18 Dutch_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 1.701872
19 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 1.710152
20 Dutch_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 1.710274
 
199. Eurasian Steppes Sintashta (2050 BC) ..... 14.23 - Rise386 -
Top 85% match vs all users

Outlier but a new one to me
 
Stuvanè said:
Mine :)

Neolithic Age


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66. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 16.81 - I3499 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users
Early Bronze Age


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67. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 17.03 - I4331 -
Top
89​
% match vs all users

82. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 18.38 - I4332 -
Top
88​
% match vs all users
Late Bronze Age


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1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.999 - R1 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.75 - I3313 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users
Iron Age


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33. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.2 - scy300 -
Top
96​
% match vs all users

37. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 14.45 - scy192 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

40. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.65 - scy197b - ?
Top
93​
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78. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 17.94 - scy305 -
Top
92​
% match vs all users

81. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.26 - R850 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

96. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 19.67 - R437 -
Top
92​
% match vs all users
Roman Age


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7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 9.626 - R107 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

12. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 11.92 - R1540
Top
99​
% match vs all users

20. Central Roman San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 12.76 - R117 -
Top
97​
% match vs all users

21. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 12.92 - R35 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

28. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 13.74 - R114 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 13.82 - I3981 -
Top
95​
% match vs all users

30. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 13.83 - R835 -
Top
97​
% match vs all users

35. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 14.34 - R32 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

41. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.74 - R51 -
Top
96​
% match vs all users

42. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.85 - I3582 -
Top
96​
% match vs all users
Dark Ages


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2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.512 - SZ43 -
Top
99​
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3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.298 - SZ36 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 8.822 - CL36 - ?
Top
99​
% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.685 - NS3b - ?
Top
99​
% match vs all users

9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL121 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

10. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.36 - SZ28 - ?
Top
97​
% match vs all users

15. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.26 - NS3c - ?
Top
97​
% match vs all users

18. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.69 - CL23 -
Top
97​
% match vs all users

19. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.75 - SZ32 - ?
Top
96​
% match vs all users

34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.23 - I3575 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users
Medieval Age


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5. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 8.78 - R60 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

13. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 12.05 - R64 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

14. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 12.06 - R59 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

16. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 12.3 - R1290 -
Top
95​
% match vs all users

22. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 13.01 - BSS31
Top
98​
% match vs all users

23. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 13.34 - I2515
Top
94​
% match vs all users

24. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 13.43 - I12515 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

25. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 13.44 - R57 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

26. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 13.68 - R52 -
Top
99​
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27. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 13.7 - I2514
Top
94​
% match vs all users
Early Modern Period


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4. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 7.644 - I7424 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

17. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 12.36 - R970 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

31. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 13.92 - I7425 -
Top
95​
% match vs all users

46. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.3 - OBS137 - ?
Top
89​
% match vs all users

69. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.28 - R973 -
Top
93​
% match vs all users

74. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.73 - R969 -
Top
92​
% match vs all users
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Thanks for sharing!

Very interesting, more Italians, showing a relatively stronger affinity specifically for the Latins R437 and R850 in the Iron Age.
 
Jovialis said:
Thanks for sharing!

Very interesting, more Italians, showing a relatively stronger affinity specifically for the Latins R437 and R850 in the Iron Age.
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Stuvane number 1 is the same as mine, clearly this adriatic sample is aligned to north-italians and maybe even Dalmatians
 
Stuvanè said:
Mine :)

Neolithic Age


NeolithicPattern.jpg
66. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 16.81 - I3499 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users
Early Bronze Age


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67. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 17.03 - I4331 -
Top
89​
% match vs all users

82. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 18.38 - I4332 -
Top
88​
% match vs all users
Late Bronze Age


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1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.999 - R1 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.75 - I3313 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users
Iron Age


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33. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.2 - scy300 -
Top
96​
% match vs all users

37. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 14.45 - scy192 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

40. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.65 - scy197b - ?
Top
93​
% match vs all users

78. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 17.94 - scy305 -
Top
92​
% match vs all users

81. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.26 - R850 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

96. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 19.67 - R437 -
Top
92​
% match vs all users
Roman Age


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7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 9.626 - R107 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

12. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 11.92 - R1540
Top
99​
% match vs all users

20. Central Roman San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 12.76 - R117 -
Top
97​
% match vs all users

21. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 12.92 - R35 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

28. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 13.74 - R114 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 13.82 - I3981 -
Top
95​
% match vs all users

30. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 13.83 - R835 -
Top
97​
% match vs all users

35. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 14.34 - R32 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

41. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.74 - R51 -
Top
96​
% match vs all users

42. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.85 - I3582 -
Top
96​
% match vs all users
Dark Ages


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2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.512 - SZ43 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.298 - SZ36 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 8.822 - CL36 - ?
Top
99​
% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.685 - NS3b - ?
Top
99​
% match vs all users

9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL121 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

10. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.36 - SZ28 - ?
Top
97​
% match vs all users

15. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.26 - NS3c - ?
Top
97​
% match vs all users

18. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.69 - CL23 -
Top
97​
% match vs all users

19. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.75 - SZ32 - ?
Top
96​
% match vs all users

34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.23 - I3575 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users
Medieval Age


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5. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 8.78 - R60 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

13. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 12.05 - R64 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

14. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 12.06 - R59 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

16. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 12.3 - R1290 -
Top
95​
% match vs all users

22. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 13.01 - BSS31
Top
98​
% match vs all users

23. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 13.34 - I2515
Top
94​
% match vs all users

24. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 13.43 - I12515 -
Top
94​
% match vs all users

25. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 13.44 - R57 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

26. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 13.68 - R52 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

27. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 13.7 - I2514
Top
94​
% match vs all users
Early Modern Period


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4. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 7.644 - I7424 -
Top
99​
% match vs all users

17. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 12.36 - R970 -
Top
98​
% match vs all users

31. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 13.92 - I7425 -
Top
95​
% match vs all users

46. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.3 - OBS137 - ?
Top
89​
% match vs all users

69. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.28 - R973 -
Top
93​
% match vs all users

74. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.73 - R969 -
Top
92​
% match vs all users
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we basically have very similar samples in most categories
 
only my BC samples

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.076 - R1 -
Top 99% match vs all users


4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
Top 98% match vs all users


7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b - ?
Top 98% match vs all users


17. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 -
Top 97% match vs all users


24. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.52 - scy300 -
Top 97% match vs all users


30. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.25 - scy305 -
Top 96% match vs all users

31. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 14.31 - I3499 -
Top 97% match vs all users

32. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.39 - I4332 -
Top 94% match vs all users


37. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 15.0 - I4331 -
Top 92% match vs all users


40. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.24 - scy311 -
Top 66% match vs all users

 
torzio said:
Stuvane number 1 is the same as mine, clearly this adriatic sample is aligned to north-italians and maybe even Dalmatians
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@Torzio, in fact, it's one of those clues that deserves a more detailed examination.

There is certainly a disproportion between the researches that have focused on the North / South genetic cline of the Italians compared to those investigating the West / East cline. I am willing to bet that in that direction there would have been more than interesting results, especially since the Adriatic sea - along it by land or by sailing - was a very important geographical corridor for the population of the Peninsula

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Salento said:
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Thanks Salento.
Most interesting in your data is the demonstration of the convergence of results provided by independent companies. You are an Italian descended from Latins (Romans) and Greeks (Magna Greece). Unquestionable. I believe that critics of the MTA should be aware that the results presented by the company are very consistent. Critics like to focus on mistakes. In fact errors must exist. There are no 100% perfect algorithms.
But we don't forget the hits, which are much more robust. The results of the MTA must be analyzed in the light of our knowledge of our own origin compared with the history of human migrations and occupations over the millennia. We cannot be short-sighted and disregard the correct bias of the results just because one, two or three individuals appear as points outside the curve. Some are scandalized by the centimeters displayed in matches with old samples. And so? It's pure statistics, most likely inspired by GEDmatch's "Q Mathing" (https://www.gedmatch.com/Documents/Qdocs.pdf). Perfectly valid for comparisons with very old and sometimes low quality samples. That's what they got. If anyone knows something better then, let's them introduce it. Science cannot wait for the absolutely perfect tool. The universe is studied through classical physics (Newton), quantum physics (Plank) and relativistic physics (Einstein). Scientists still face the ultimate challenge that is to build a unified field theory (the theory of everything) that describes all interactions in the micro and macrocosmic domains. This does not exist yet, but it does not prevent the universe from being studied and the errors be rectified when found to exist some. Evolution happens through trials and errors and not through inertia.
Cheers :) (y):)
 
I have a new bronze-age map marker in south-germany dated as 2385BC but no ID ...........anyone have the sample it represents?
 
torzio said:
Stuvane number 1 is the same as mine, clearly this adriatic sample is aligned to north-italians and maybe even Dalmatians
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Indeed, the R1 Protovillanovan sample has a close affinity to Northern Italians. I recall there was an Albanian that also gets it as his number one (or close to it), back thread.

Initially I had it at number 72, but now R1 doesn't even show up at all. I've noticed Southern Italians have a relatively close affinity to the Latins R437 and R850.
 
I think it is noteworthy to point out that Stuvane gets 437, and 850, because those samples are the only Latins I've seen Italians (north or south) get thus far.

I wonder if those other "Latin" samples are in fact Etruscans too, which is why they're very similar.

Here's my samples from the Neolthic to the Iron Age:

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