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[torzio]

All Outliers are located at the bottom of a 200 samples list,

I guess it’s another way of saying:

“There’s No Chance in Hell that you’re related to them”!

or, am I missing something?

It might mean you line passed through the same lands as these samples but not related

 

[Southpaw]

With ancient populations



With modern ones:

 

[Joey37]

I tend to deprecate the K23b, mostly because I cannot see how I could have that large amount of Ancestral Altaic, whatever that is, but then if a northern Italian can get a 3.19, maybe my 4.25 isn't so irrational. Because everything else checks out.

[TD="align: center"]
1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]European_Hunters_Gatherers[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]35.97[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]European_Early_Farmers[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]27.64[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.59[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]South_Central_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.87[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Ancestral_Altaic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.25[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.05[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_ @ 2.520670
2 Belgian_ @ 3.189655
3 Irish_ @ 3.521570
4 Frisian_ @ 3.740649
5 North_European_ @ 3.763905
6 South_German_ @ 4.837700
7 Dutch_ @ 4.853911
8 German-Volga_ @ 4.944228
9 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 4.947083
10 CEU_ @ 5.183545
11 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 5.436276
12 Welsh_ @ 5.771932
13 British_ @ 6.015256
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 6.884786
15 Norwegian_East_ @ 7.634028
16 Orcadian_ @ 7.697372
17 Norwegian_West_ @ 8.406718
18 Icelandic_ @ 8.414221
19 North_German_ @ 8.852917
20 Dane_ @ 8.975033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-Volga_ +50% North_European_ @ 2.036010


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish_ +25% Russian_North_ +25% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.491629


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.491629
2 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + North_German_ + Portugese_ @ 1.505818
3 Dane_ + Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Portugese_ @ 1.535320
4 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Portugese_ + Swede_ @ 1.568010
5 Frisian_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.585438
6 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Irish_ + Kashub_ + Portugese_ @ 1.607059
7 Italian_North_ + North_European_ + North_European_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.612856
8 Frisian_ + Irish_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.635453
9 Frisian_ + German_ + Irish_ + Portugese_ @ 1.638880
10 English_ + Italian_North_ + North_European_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.639687
11 Dutch_ + Frisian_ + Portugese_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 1.653451
12 Irish_ + Italian_North_ + North_European_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.655633
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.668169
14 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ @ 1.683186
15 German_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + Portugese_ @ 1.690922
16 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Italian_North_ + Norwegian_East_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 1.691695
17 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 1.700476
18 Dutch_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ @ 1.701872
19 Irish_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS_ @ 1.710152
20 Dutch_ + Irish_ + Russian_North_ + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS_ @ 1.710274

 

[matty74]

199. Eurasian Steppes Sintashta (2050 BC) ..... 14.23 - Rise386 -
Top 85% match vs all users

Outlier but a new one to me

 

[Jovialis]

Mine

Neolithic Age

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66. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 16.81 - I3499 -
Top

94​

% match vs all users

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Early Bronze Age

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67. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 17.03 - I4331 -
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89​

% match vs all users

82. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 18.38 - I4332 -
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88​

% match vs all users

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Late Bronze Age

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1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.999 - R1 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.75 - I3313 -
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94​

% match vs all users

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Iron Age

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33. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.2 - scy300 -
Top

96​

% match vs all users

37. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 14.45 - scy192 -
Top

94​

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40. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.65 - scy197b - ?
Top

93​

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78. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 17.94 - scy305 -
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92​

% match vs all users

81. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.26 - R850 -
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94​

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96. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 19.67 - R437 -
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92​

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Roman Age

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7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 9.626 - R107 -
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99​

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12. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 11.92 - R1540
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99​

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20. Central Roman San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 12.76 - R117 -
Top

97​

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21. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 12.92 - R35 -
Top

98​

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28. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 13.74 - R114 -
Top

94​

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29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 13.82 - I3981 -
Top

95​

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30. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 13.83 - R835 -
Top

97​

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35. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 14.34 - R32 -
Top

98​

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41. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.74 - R51 -
Top

96​

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42. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.85 - I3582 -
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96​

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Dark Ages

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2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.512 - SZ43 -
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99​

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3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.298 - SZ36 -
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99​

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6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 8.822 - CL36 - ?
Top

99​

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8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.685 - NS3b - ?
Top

99​

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9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL121 -
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98​

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10. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.36 - SZ28 - ?
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97​

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15. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.26 - NS3c - ?
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97​

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18. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.69 - CL23 -
Top

97​

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19. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.75 - SZ32 - ?
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96​

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34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.23 - I3575 -
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98​

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Medieval Age

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5. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 8.78 - R60 -
Top

99​

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13. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 12.05 - R64 -
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99​

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14. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 12.06 - R59 -
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99​

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16. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 12.3 - R1290 -
Top

95​

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22. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 13.01 - BSS31
Top

98​

% match vs all users

23. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 13.34 - I2515
Top

94​

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24. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 13.43 - I12515 -
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94​

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25. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 13.44 - R57 -
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98​

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26. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 13.68 - R52 -
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99​

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27. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 13.7 - I2514
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94​

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Early Modern Period

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4. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 7.644 - I7424 -
Top

99​

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17. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 12.36 - R970 -
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98​

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31. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 13.92 - I7425 -
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95​

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46. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.3 - OBS137 - ?
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89​

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69. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.28 - R973 -
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93​

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74. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.73 - R969 -
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92​

% match vs all users

Thanks for sharing!

Very interesting, more Italians, showing a relatively stronger affinity specifically for the Latins R437 and R850 in the Iron Age.

 

[aci]

Thanks for sharing!

Very interesting, more Italians, showing a relatively stronger affinity specifically for the Latins R437 and R850 in the Iron Age.

 

[aci]

 

[torzio]

Thanks for sharing!

Very interesting, more Italians, showing a relatively stronger affinity specifically for the Latins R437 and R850 in the Iron Age.

Stuvane number 1 is the same as mine, clearly this adriatic sample is aligned to north-italians and maybe even Dalmatians

 

[torzio]

Mine

Neolithic Age

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66. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 16.81 - I3499 -
Top

94​

% match vs all users

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Early Bronze Age

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67. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 17.03 - I4331 -
Top

89​

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82. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 18.38 - I4332 -
Top

88​

% match vs all users

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Late Bronze Age

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1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.999 - R1 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.75 - I3313 -
Top

94​

% match vs all users

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Iron Age

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33. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.2 - scy300 -
Top

96​

% match vs all users

37. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 14.45 - scy192 -
Top

94​

% match vs all users

40. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.65 - scy197b - ?
Top

93​

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78. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 17.94 - scy305 -
Top

92​

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81. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.26 - R850 -
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94​

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96. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 19.67 - R437 -
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92​

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Roman Age

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7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 9.626 - R107 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

12. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 11.92 - R1540
Top

99​

% match vs all users

20. Central Roman San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 12.76 - R117 -
Top

97​

% match vs all users

21. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 12.92 - R35 -
Top

98​

% match vs all users

28. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 13.74 - R114 -
Top

94​

% match vs all users

29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 13.82 - I3981 -
Top

95​

% match vs all users

30. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 13.83 - R835 -
Top

97​

% match vs all users

35. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 14.34 - R32 -
Top

98​

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41. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.74 - R51 -
Top

96​

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42. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.85 - I3582 -
Top

96​

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Dark Ages

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2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.512 - SZ43 -
Top

99​

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3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.298 - SZ36 -
Top

99​

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6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 8.822 - CL36 - ?
Top

99​

% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.685 - NS3b - ?
Top

99​

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9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL121 -
Top

98​

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10. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.36 - SZ28 - ?
Top

97​

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15. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.26 - NS3c - ?
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97​

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18. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.69 - CL23 -
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97​

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19. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.75 - SZ32 - ?
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96​

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34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.23 - I3575 -
Top

98​

% match vs all users

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Medieval Age

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5. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 8.78 - R60 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

13. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 12.05 - R64 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

14. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 12.06 - R59 -
Top

99​

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16. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 12.3 - R1290 -
Top

95​

% match vs all users

22. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 13.01 - BSS31
Top

98​

% match vs all users

23. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 13.34 - I2515
Top

94​

% match vs all users

24. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 13.43 - I12515 -
Top

94​

% match vs all users

25. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 13.44 - R57 -
Top

98​

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26. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 13.68 - R52 -
Top

99​

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27. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 13.7 - I2514
Top

94​

% match vs all users

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Early Modern Period

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4. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 7.644 - I7424 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

17. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 12.36 - R970 -
Top

98​

% match vs all users

31. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 13.92 - I7425 -
Top

95​

% match vs all users

46. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.3 - OBS137 - ?
Top

89​

% match vs all users

69. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.28 - R973 -
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93​

% match vs all users

74. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.73 - R969 -
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92​

% match vs all users

we basically have very similar samples in most categories

 

[torzio]

only my BC samples

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.076 - R1 -
Top 99% match vs all users


4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
Top 98% match vs all users


7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b - ?
Top 98% match vs all users


17. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 -
Top 97% match vs all users


24. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.52 - scy300 -
Top 97% match vs all users


30. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.25 - scy305 -
Top 96% match vs all users

31. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 14.31 - I3499 -
Top 97% match vs all users

32. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.39 - I4332 -
Top 94% match vs all users


37. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 15.0 - I4331 -
Top 92% match vs all users


40. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.24 - scy311 -
Top 66% match vs all users

 

[Stuvanè]

Stuvane number 1 is the same as mine, clearly this adriatic sample is aligned to north-italians and maybe even Dalmatians

@Torzio, in fact, it's one of those clues that deserves a more detailed examination.

There is certainly a disproportion between the researches that have focused on the North / South genetic cline of the Italians compared to those investigating the West / East cline. I am willing to bet that in that direction there would have been more than interesting results, especially since the Adriatic sea - along it by land or by sailing - was a very important geographical corridor for the population of the Peninsula

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[Duarte]

[h=3]MTA - Full Detailed Timeline[/h]

 

[Jovialis]

 

[EASTEUROPID]

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[Salento]

Default - 3D PCA Sample Analysis

 

[Salento]

... Full Circle
Genographic Project / MTA

 

[Duarte]

Default - 3D PCA Sample Analysis

... Full Circle
Genographic Project / MTA

Thanks Salento.
Most interesting in your data is the demonstration of the convergence of results provided by independent companies. You are an Italian descended from Latins (Romans) and Greeks (Magna Greece). Unquestionable. I believe that critics of the MTA should be aware that the results presented by the company are very consistent. Critics like to focus on mistakes. In fact errors must exist. There are no 100% perfect algorithms.
But we don't forget the hits, which are much more robust. The results of the MTA must be analyzed in the light of our knowledge of our own origin compared with the history of human migrations and occupations over the millennia. We cannot be short-sighted and disregard the correct bias of the results just because one, two or three individuals appear as points outside the curve. Some are scandalized by the centimeters displayed in matches with old samples. And so? It's pure statistics, most likely inspired by GEDmatch's "Q Mathing" (https://www.gedmatch.com/Documents/Qdocs.pdf). Perfectly valid for comparisons with very old and sometimes low quality samples. That's what they got. If anyone knows something better then, let's them introduce it. Science cannot wait for the absolutely perfect tool. The universe is studied through classical physics (Newton), quantum physics (Plank) and relativistic physics (Einstein). Scientists still face the ultimate challenge that is to build a unified field theory (the theory of everything) that describes all interactions in the micro and macrocosmic domains. This does not exist yet, but it does not prevent the universe from being studied and the errors be rectified when found to exist some. Evolution happens through trials and errors and not through inertia.
Cheers

 

[torzio]

I have a new bronze-age map marker in south-germany dated as 2385BC but no ID ...........anyone have the sample it represents?

 

[Jovialis]

Stuvane number 1 is the same as mine, clearly this adriatic sample is aligned to north-italians and maybe even Dalmatians

Indeed, the R1 Protovillanovan sample has a close affinity to Northern Italians. I recall there was an Albanian that also gets it as his number one (or close to it), back thread.

Initially I had it at number 72, but now R1 doesn't even show up at all. I've noticed Southern Italians have a relatively close affinity to the Latins R437 and R850.

 

[Jovialis]

I think it is noteworthy to point out that Stuvane gets 437, and 850, because those samples are the only Latins I've seen Italians (north or south) get thus far.

I wonder if those other "Latin" samples are in fact Etruscans too, which is why they're very similar.

Here's my samples from the Neolthic to the Iron Age: