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... found it ... EU k15:

MTA Oracle doesn’t match the other calculators, in our case, not even k15.

 

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Modern Age (... Skeleton Lake) and Medieval Age (... Foggia Viking)

 

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I noticed that Late Medieval R56 and Medieval R60 (both Villa Magna), though different, they share the same distance value, guess I’m in the middle of their ancestries:

 

[Duarte]

... found it ... EU k15:

MTA Oracle doesn’t match the other calculators, in our case, not even k15.

Perhaps the similarity of the results between ‘EU K15’ and ‘MTA modern’ is restricted only to modern populations. It is possible that the distances of ancestral populations are of a specific algorithm that minimizes the calculator effect.

 

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Perhaps the similarity of the results between ‘EU K15’ and ‘MTA modern’ is restricted only to modern populations. It is possible that the distances of ancestral populations are of a specific algorithm that minimizes the calculator effect.

I think they’re not using a standard EU K15 at all,

... the two modern Apulian K15 top matches are very distant to the MTA top Match on the official (R) Roman PCA.

... though every calculator shows that the MTA top matches of the Apulians are way way off.

 

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I believe they were betrayed for not verifying that SZ1 sample is from a period much earlier than that of all other samples. OMG!

“Two longobard-associated cemeteries

We performed a deep genomic characterization of individuals buried in two cemeteries of the sixth to seventh centuries CE that have material culture associated with the Longobards. Both are considered key sites with regard to the proposed migration from Pannonia to Italy. The first cemetery, Szólád, is located in present-day Hungary (Supplementary Figure 1). There are 45 graves (Fig. 1b), all of which are dated to the middle third of the sixth century based on a combination of stylistic elements of the grave goods and radiocarbon (2-sigma range of 412–604 CE, Supplementary Table 1) analysis14. Archeological, stable isotope, and mtDNA (HVS-1) analyses suggested that Szólád was occupied for only ~20/30 years by a mobile group of Longobard-era settlers14. The female to male ratio (sexing being based primarily on genetic data, or in its absence, anatomy) is 0.65. Graves in this cemetery are organized such that a core group (N = 18), mostly of male individuals, is surrounded by a half-ring of females (N = 11) (Supplementary Figure 2). Most of these individuals lie in elaborate graves with ledge walls and wooden chambers all in the same orientation, furnished with numerous artifacts such as beads, pottery, swords, and shields. The remaining 16 Longobard-period graves are more diverse in relation to the sex of the individuals, as well as to the quality of grave construction and richness of artifacts. Archeologists also recovered two bodies (AV1, AV2) that derive from a later occupation of the region by the Avars in the fill of the Longobard-period grave (SZ27)15, as well the skeletal remains from an individual dating to the Bronze Age 10 m north of the cemetery (SZ1). See Supplementary Note 1, Supplementary Figures 1–11, and Supplementary Table 1 for the archeological context of Szólád.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4

the issue is that SZ1 is the forefather of many of these samples



meaning.......how long have this family been in pannonia .......since SZ1 is late bronze age

 

[Duarte]

the issue is that SZ1 is the forefather of many of these samples



meaning.......how long have this family been in pannonia .......since SZ1 is late bronze age

I agree that SZ1 is the ancestor of several other individuals buried in Szólád. But it is a individual from Bronze Age and it is not correct for MTA to label that individual as a Medieval Avar (Avar Szólád Hungary - 700AD).

 

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Roman PCA

 

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I agree that SZ1 is the ancestor of several other individuals buried in Szólád. But it is a individual from Bronze Age and it is not correct for MTA to label that individual as a Medieval Avar (Avar Szólád Hungary - 700AD).

my question is

since SZ1 was found in pannonia in the bronze-age and is the forefather of the other lombards noted in the family tree....then it is reasonable to state these AD lombards have been in pannonia for a long time

 

[Duarte]

my question is

since SZ1 was found in pannonia in the bronze-age and is the forefather of the other lombards noted in the family tree....then it is reasonable to state these AD lombards have been in pannonia for a long time

I wouldn't say Lombards have been living in Pannonia for a long time. Hallstatt Celts spread throughout Europe and most likely the Lombards who arrived in Pannonia and Italy from 376 CE carried a high degree of Hallstatt ancestry.

 

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from @Duarte’s post #3248:

SZ19 is shown as being “100% TSI”
vs
SZ19 Central Roman / “Mixed”

... yep,

 

[torzio]

from @Duarte’s post #3248:

SZ19 is shown as being “100% TSI”
vs
SZ19 Central Roman / “Mixed”

... yep,

below is from the paper



this kndred also appears in the bar chart .............does SZ19 make any sense ?

 

[Carlos]

[h=2]I rehearse between one of my outlays and one of my Deep DIVE in a triangulation with myself.

338. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121

Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121)[/h]Compared to my kit (white point)

[h=2]Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121) Deep Dive Mape[/h]

[h=3]Outlier Samples[/h][h=2]Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121)[/h]29. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.52 - SNN001
169. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.12 - MOK21
189. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.84 - I6492
236. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.21 - MX299
275. Aristocrat Iron Age Thrace
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.09 - K8
339. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.72 - I5470
348. Neolithic Arran Island
3400 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.92 - I2988
350. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1115 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.0 - I10897
356. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.29 - Niedertiefenbach26
369. Iron Age Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.69 - I12642
379. Neolithic Escalles France
4050 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.97 - Es97-1
386. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Mediterranean
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.1 - I6947
397. Imperial Rome Isola Sacra
99 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.26 - R39
398. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.29 - I8136
417. Anatolian Roman ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.69 - R72
418. Neolithic Morocco
3760 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.7 - KEB6
419. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.72 - CH448
422. Neolithic France
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.73 - OBN004
427. Late Neolithic Aesch Switzerland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.8 - Aesch16
428. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.81 - I3322
429. Late Neolithic Wartau Switzerland
2400 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.83 - SX17
432. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1525 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.91 - OTTM_156
438. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.98 - Rise484
442. Post Medieval London New Churchyard
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.06 - BED024
447. Portugal Lorga de Dine
2450 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.25 - LD270
451. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.36 - I7673
452. Ashkelon Philistine Minoan
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.38 - ASH067_ASH_IA
455. Sardinia Anghelu Ruju Neolithic
4000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.41 - I15945
456. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.41 - CAK530
457. Italy Bell Beaker
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.48 - I2477
458. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany
2012 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.48 - OBKR_50
461. Early Neolithic Lingolsheim Alsace
4680 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.52 - SX33
462. Neolithic France
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.53 - PEN003
465. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.56 - I7250
466. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.57 - Niedertiefenbach30
467. Ripa Biance Neolithic Italy
5250 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.58 - R16
468. Late Neolithi Seengen Switzerland
2240 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.59 - SNPRA54
471. Ahskelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.61 - ASH135_ASH_IA2
473. Guanche Tenerife Canary Islands
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.72 - gun013
475. Hellenic Roman / Calabria
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.73 - CL25
479. Neolithic Anatolia
6300 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.78 - I0746
485. Anatolian Roman Casale del Dolce
288 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.84 - R126
486. Ashkelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.86 - ASH066_ASH_IA
487. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.87 - Niedertiefenbach42
488. Late Neolithic Aesch Switzerland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.9 - Aesch18
491. Neolithic North Portugal
2450 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.94 - LD1174
492. Ardcrony Tipperary Neolithic Ireland
3451 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.99 - ARD2
494. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland
1651 BC - Genetic Distance: 30.03 - SX20
495. Late Neolithic Aesch Switzerland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 30.03 - Aesch3
499. Hellenic Ottoman
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 30.13 - MA2196


[h=2]Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121) (grey point) Medieval Piedmont (CL57)[/h]

[h=2]Medieval Piedmont (CL57) (grey point) My Kit (point white)[/h]

[h=2]Medieval Piedmont (CL57) outiliers:[/h]251. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - scy304
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285. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.32 - scy300
290. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.38 - STR_328
329. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.03 - SZ37
336. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.23 - MOK17
349. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.43 - NS3c
360. Western-Scythian Outlier Black Sea
260 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.56 - MJ46
369. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.69 - CL36
375. Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.76 - I8475
389. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.97 - I7425
394. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.09 - I7497
397. Samborzec Bronze Age Poland
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.11 - I4253
400. Bronze Age Orkney Islands
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.17 - I2981
414. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.36 - 6DRIF-3
422. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.59 - VK536
428. Bell Beaker Amesbury
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.65 - I5512
432. Zerniki Wielkie Bronze Age Poland
2175 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.69 - I6583
436. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.82 - RG161c
438. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.86 - SZ22
440. Bell Beaker Germany
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.87 - I0806
446. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.92 - I12877
452. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.03 - SNN001
454. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.05 - R1015
455. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.06 - Rise484
457. Medieval La Palma Sardinia
941 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.11 - I12221
459. Scythian Moldova
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.15 - scy301
461. Post-Roman Era Barcelona
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.17 - I3776
463. Western-Scythian Black Sea
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.19 - MJ34
464. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.21 - OTTM_142
465. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.22 - LM_913_T
468. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.24 - R1285
471. Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.26 - G119
474. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.3 - 6DRIF-18
476. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.32 - I3981
477. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.33 - I7271
478. Plague Victim Pestbacken Blekinge Sweden
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.33 - PC6-PEB10
480. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1254 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.35 - I7577
481. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.39 - NS3b
485. Bronze Age Covesea Cave Scotland
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.46 - I3132
487. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.47 - I3809
488. Bronze Age Netherlands
1775 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.47 - I4070
489. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.47 - I7639
490. Bell Beaker Poland
2400 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.48 - I4353
492. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.52 - I12644
495. Celtic Mix Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.57 - CL83
497. Late Medieval Gotlander
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.59 - Unknown
499. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.62 - I4895
522. Stenchme Lop Ness Sanday Scotland
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.91 - I2981[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[Carlos]

 

[Salento]

below is from the paper



this kndred also appears in the bar chart .............does SZ19 make any sense ?

SZ19 in relation to SZ1 makes sense, I think.
(... assuming SZ1 is a Bronze-Age sample)

SZ1 dominates my chroms, he’s my top SNPs / cM sample / Spider Breakdown ... Tarantato :grin:

about SZ19:
Distance to: Szolad19
5.49892717 C_Italian
7.82711313 Tuscan
8.36903818 Sicilian
8.73353880 S_Italian_Sicilian
9.46572237 TSI30
10.27952820 Greek
11.34146816 O_Italian
12.19551967 Ashkenazi

 

[torzio]

SZ19 in relation to SZ1 makes sense, I think.
(... assuming SZ1 is a Bronze-Age sample)

SZ1 dominates my chroms, he’s my top SNPs / cM sample / Spider Breakdown ... Tarantato :grin:

about SZ19:
Distance to: Szolad19
5.49892717 C_Italian
7.82711313 Tuscan
8.36903818 Sicilian
8.73353880 S_Italian_Sicilian
9.46572237 TSI30
10.27952820 Greek
11.34146816 O_Italian
12.19551967 Ashkenazi

me and the SZ ones

6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1


7. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.695 - SZ36

4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37

2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28


10. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.06 - SZ43


others are after #20

 

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me and the SZ ones

6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1


7. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.695 - SZ36

4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37

2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28


10. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.06 - SZ43


others are after #20

y T SZ36 is your #7, mine is #8

... though SZ36 is not a T1a2, ... interesting

maybe there are old y T ancestral traces on other chromosomes, ... maybe.

Dark Ages top 10:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=616232&viewfull=1#post616232

 

[torzio]

y T SZ36 is your #7, mine is #8

... though SZ36 is not a T1a2, ... interesting

maybe there are old y T ancestral traces on other chromosomes, ... maybe.

Dark Ages top 10:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=616232&viewfull=1#post616232

Can you confirm that R1 ( a female ) that her father was a T ydna and that SZ32 is a later link with R1 via CHr
R1 born in liburnia ( croatia ) died in Picene land Italy


Also , has R33 been renamed as an Illyrian

 

[torzio]

my top ten




12. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users



40. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users



49. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
Top 96 % match vs all users

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[h=3]Early Bronze Age[/h]

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16. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.54 - MOK17
Top 99 % match vs all users



18. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.67 - MOK10
Top 95 % match vs all users



23. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.47 - MOK26
Top 97 % match vs all users



36. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.0 - MOK29
Top 86 % match vs all users



41. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.39 - I4332
Top 96 % match vs all users



42. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.45 - MOK9
Top 90 % match vs all users



47. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.87 - MOK33
Top 99 % match vs all users



50. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.92 - MOK20
Top 85 % match vs all users



51. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.0 - I4331
Top 94 % match vs all users

 

[torzio]

[h=3]Your closest genetic modern populations...[/h]
Info
1. North_Italian (5.281)
2. Kosovar (9.760)
3. Tuscan (10.53)
4. Spanish_Andalucia (11.97)
5. Bosnian (12.05)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (12.44)
7. Bulgarian (12.75)