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... found it ... EU k15:
MTA Oracle doesn’t match the other calculators, in our case, not even k15.
Perhaps the similarity of the results between ‘EU K15’ and ‘MTA modern’ is restricted only to modern populations. It is possible that the distances of ancestral populations are of a specific algorithm that minimizes the calculator effect.
I believe they were betrayed for not verifying that SZ1 sample is from a period much earlier than that of all other samples. OMG!
“Two longobard-associated cemeteries
We performed a deep genomic characterization of individuals buried in two cemeteries of the sixth to seventh centuries CE that have material culture associated with the Longobards. Both are considered key sites with regard to the proposed migration from Pannonia to Italy. The first cemetery, Szólád, is located in present-day Hungary (Supplementary Figure 1). There are 45 graves (Fig. 1b), all of which are dated to the middle third of the sixth century based on a combination of stylistic elements of the grave goods and radiocarbon (2-sigma range of 412–604 CE, Supplementary Table 1) analysis14. Archeological, stable isotope, and mtDNA (HVS-1) analyses suggested that Szólád was occupied for only ~20/30 years by a mobile group of Longobard-era settlers14. The female to male ratio (sexing being based primarily on genetic data, or in its absence, anatomy) is 0.65. Graves in this cemetery are organized such that a core group (N = 18), mostly of male individuals, is surrounded by a half-ring of females (N = 11) (Supplementary Figure 2). Most of these individuals lie in elaborate graves with ledge walls and wooden chambers all in the same orientation, furnished with numerous artifacts such as beads, pottery, swords, and shields. The remaining 16 Longobard-period graves are more diverse in relation to the sex of the individuals, as well as to the quality of grave construction and richness of artifacts. Archeologists also recovered two bodies (AV1, AV2) that derive from a later occupation of the region by the Avars in the fill of the Longobard-period grave (SZ27)15, as well the skeletal remains from an individual dating to the Bronze Age 10 m north of the cemetery (SZ1). See Supplementary Note 1, Supplementary Figures 1–11, and Supplementary Table 1 for the archeological context of Szólád.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4
the issue is that SZ1 is the forefather of many of these samples
meaning.......how long have this family been in pannonia .......since SZ1 is late bronze age
I agree that SZ1 is the ancestor of several other individuals buried in Szólád. But it is a individual from Bronze Age and it is not correct for MTA to label that individual as a Medieval Avar (Avar Szólád Hungary - 700AD).
my question is
since SZ1 was found in pannonia in the bronze-age and is the forefather of the other lombards noted in the family tree....then it is reasonable to state these AD lombards have been in pannonia for a long time
from @Duarte’s post #3248:
SZ19 is shown as being “100% TSI”
vs
SZ19 Central Roman / “Mixed”
... yep,
below is from the paper
this kndred also appears in the bar chart .............does SZ19 make any sense ?
SZ19 in relation to SZ1 makes sense, I think.
(... assuming SZ1 is a Bronze-Age sample)
SZ1 dominates my chroms, he’s my top SNPs / cM sample / Spider Breakdown ... Tarantato :grin:
about SZ19:
Distance to: Szolad19
5.49892717 C_Italian
7.82711313 Tuscan
8.36903818 Sicilian
8.73353880 S_Italian_Sicilian
9.46572237 TSI30
10.27952820 Greek
11.34146816 O_Italian
12.19551967 Ashkenazi
me and the SZ ones
6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1
7. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.695 - SZ36
4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37
2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28
10. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.06 - SZ43
others are after #20
y T SZ36 is your #7, mine is #8
... though SZ36 is not a T1a2, ... interesting
maybe there are old y T ancestral traces on other chromosomes, ... maybe.
Dark Ages top 10:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=616232&viewfull=1#post616232
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