Mytrueancestry.com

Wow thats amazing! How did you get that picture?

Hi Sverker.
Upload your autossomal data raw (Family Tree DNA - FTDNA, Ancestry.com, 23andMe, Myheritage) for free at https://mytrueancestry.com/ that you will obtain a simplified map of your ancient ancestry. See the first post of this thread (# 1) maked by Dibran with all explanations.
Big Hug :)
 
Im having so much fun reading results from this calculator. It's seriously the most interesting one I've ever seen and I've been waiting impatiently for one that can compare you to ancient Greeks, Romans and (hopefully it has them) Egyptians
out of curiosity:
Can everybody see this: ?
It’s not a pic, is the html code for Ankh, used in ancient Egypt as a symbol of life.
just ✍ wondering
 
out of curiosity:
Can everybody see this: ?

It’s not a pic, is the html code for Ankh, used in ancient Egypt as a symbol of life.

just wondering :)
I can see the ankh itself but not the code behind (from my iPhone using Firefox)
 
Impressed big time, my results from MyTrueAncestry were spot on.
Even better than any gedmatch model I could find. I wonder how their model works and will probably upgrade to the archaeological map now.

1. Swedish (1.080)
2. Norwegian (2.856)
3. West_Norwegian (4.956)
4. North_Swedish (5.980)
5. North_Dutch (6.424)
6. Danish (7.272)
7. German_Central (8.821)
8. North_German (8.888)

And for fun: (also looks plausible)

Viking + Saxon (2.991)
Viking + Longobard (3.177)
Longobard (4.593)
Viking (7.343)
Saxon (9.21)



 
I can see the ankh itself but not the code behind (from my iPhone using Firefox)
&#9765 add a semicolon at the end ☥
back to topic now ;)
 
&#9765 add a semicolon at the end ☥
back to topic now ;)

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Impressed big time, my results from MyTrueAncestry were spot on.
Even better than any gedmatch model I could find. I wonder how their model works and will probably upgrade to the archaeological map now.

1. Swedish (1.080)
2. Norwegian (2.856)
3. West_Norwegian (4.956)
4. North_Swedish (5.980)
5. North_Dutch (6.424)
6. Danish (7.272)
7. German_Central (8.821)
8. North_German (8.888)

And for fun: (also looks plausible)

Viking + Saxon (2.991)
Viking + Longobard (3.177)
Longobard (4.593)
Viking (7.343)
Saxon (9.21)




Nice Results :)
 
Cool, those MyTrueAncestry links seem correct on both NCBI and Openstreetmap. Seems the real deal folks!
 
The question I have is, how confident are we that Roman sample in the Balkans is genetically Roman? It seems Balkan people get more Roman than Illyrian and people of Roman heritage are getting Illyrian and Thracian first. Spaniards and north Italians. Then south Slavs are mostly Scythian and Avar with some mix of Roman and Celt or Germanic. It can be a bit confusing. Lol.


Yeah, Roman is probably just native Balkan ancestry. Pre Slavic Balkan people possibly were like Tuscans / Italians or Romans.

Those samples found in Dalmatia were like Iberians almost though I find it interesting how I match them. It proves what I said right. that female from Dalmatia was almost like some modern Albanians except it was scoring 21 North West europe shifting it West from us, she also had high similarity with Albania. She's like 80% Albanian/Balkan going by my calculations. The J2b2 was a bit more distant autosomally.


They did not use Vucedol sample for this one which was even closer to us nor did they use Bronze Age from Montenegro found years ago which was almost like some Northern Albos / Bulgarians.

I also found it interesting how I got Thracian while other Albanians didn't. Some Thracian sample found years ago was like a Tuscan basically and scored 99% Balkan.


I saw an Albo from Montenegro also got Ilyrian but he didn't get Thracian. Yet he got Hellenic Roman which I didn't even get. Though it is really interesting it also shows we ain't all identical. I see many of you Albos come out more Ancient Greek than me also. Its possibly Ilyrians that lived in Albania maybe were Ancient Greek like or more Neolithic.
 
I like this site a lot and particularly like the archaeological links the maps give.


The site is pretty consistent (with a couple of notable exceptions) in the results it gives for differing sets of raw data as can be shown in the results below:


1. Me (Ancestry DNA)


View attachment 10911


Celt + Frank (2.903)
Celt + Longobard (2.963)
Longobard (4.904)
Frank (5.988)
Celt (7.134)


1. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.619) - SZ12
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.904) - SZ15
3. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.523) - CL92
4. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (5.988) - SZ23
5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.555) - I5383
6. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.663) - Unknown
7. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (6.896) - SZ11
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.949) - SZ14
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.097) - SZ7
10. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (7.134) - VDP-A6
11. Pict (670 AD) (7.566) - CL83
12. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.636) - SZ38
13. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (7.657) - SZ16
14. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.663) - 6DRIF-21
15. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (7.842) - Hinxton 4
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.894) - SZ8
17. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.124) - ALH_1
18. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (8.321) - BIM_33
19. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.396) - 6DRIF-3
20. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.517) - 6DRIF-18


1. North_Dutch (4.026)
2. Danish (5.090)
3. North_German (5.249)
4. Southeast_English (5.712)
5. Southwest_English (5.715)
6. Irish (6.139)
7. West_Scottish (6.418)
8. Orcadian (6.422)




Me (FTDNA):


Screenshot 2019-04-12 21.16.27.jpg


Celt + Frank (2.341)
Celt + Longobard (2.912)
Longobard (4.882)
Celt (6.311)
Frank (6.405)


1. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.769) - SZ12
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.882) - SZ15
3. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.469) - CL92
4. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.205) - I5383
5. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.311) - VDP-A6
6. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (6.405) - SZ23
7. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.406) - Unknown
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.911) - SZ14
9. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (6.956) - SZ11
10. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.055) - 6DRIF-21
11. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (7.093) - Hinxton 4
12. Pict (670 AD) (7.439) - CL83
13. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.53) - SZ38
14. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.564) - 6DRIF-3
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.808) - SZ7
16. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (8.054) - SZ16
17. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.204) - ALH_1
18. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (8.413) - BIM_33
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.566) - SZ22
20. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.566) - 6DRIF-18


1. North_Dutch (4.139)
2. North_German (4.880)
3. Danish (4.956)
4. Southeast_English (5.295)
5. Southwest_English (5.360)
6. Irish (5.569)
7. West_Scottish (5.946)
8. Orcadian (6.270)


Me (Living DNA):

Screenshot 2019-04-12 21.17.03.jpg


Longobard + Frank (3.522)
Celt + Longobard (3.762)
Longobard (5.511)
Celt (8.085)
Frank (8.346)


1. Pict (670 AD) (4.973) - CL83
2. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.458) - I5383
3. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.511) - SZ15
4. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.065) - CL92
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.112) - SZ12
6. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.648) - SZ8
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.899) - CL84
8. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.906) - CL146
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.006) - SZ7
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.236) - 6DRIF-18
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.545) - SZ14
12. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (7.755) - Hinxton 4
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.77) - CL145
14. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.846) - Unknown
15. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (8.085) - VDP-A6
16. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.346) - SZ23
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.592) - CL93
18. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.682) - SZ22
19. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (8.942) - I3875
20. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (8.948) - Hinxton HS3


1. North_Dutch (4.673)
2. Orcadian (4.869)
3. Irish (6.123)
4. West_Scottish (6.203)
5. Southeast_English (6.340)
6. Danish (6.439)
7. Southwest_English (6.659)
8. Welsh (7.388)




Me (23 and Me v5):

Screenshot 2019-04-12 21.17.30.jpg


Longobard + Frank (3.422)
Celt + Longobard (3.843)
Longobard (5.563)
Frank (8.39)
Celt (8.682)


1. Pict (670 AD) (5.262) - CL83
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.563) - SZ15
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.929) - I5383
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.186) - SZ12
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.402) - CL92
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.579) - CL84
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.75) - CL146
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.764) - SZ8
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.778) - SZ7
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.103) - 6DRIF-18
11. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.873) - CL145
12. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.947) - SZ14
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.164) - CL93
14. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (8.235) - Unknown
15. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.39) - SZ23
16. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (8.44) - Hinxton 4
17. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (8.682) - VDP-A6
18. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.763) - SZ13
19. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (8.812) - Rise61
20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (8.955) - I3875


1. Orcadian (5.113)
2. North_Dutch (5.117)
3. West_Scottish (6.763)
4. Irish (6.770)
5. Southeast_English (6.897)
6. Danish (6.900)
7. Southwest_English (7.042)
8. Welsh (7.343)


Mum (Ancestry):


View attachment 10912


Celt (1.86)
Celt + Longobard (2.561)
Viking + Celt (3.21)
Longobard (5.94)
Viking (8.047)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (1.86) - VDP-A6
2. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (3.988) - 6DRIF-3
3. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.21) - Hinxton 4
4. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.628) - Unknown
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.94) - SZ15
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.969) - CL92
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.084) - I5383
8. Pict (670 AD) (6.765) - CL83
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.884) - SZ4
10. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.897) - 6DRIF-23
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.22) - SZ12
12. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.308) - 6DRIF-21
13. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.618) - ALH_10
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.877) - CL145
15. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.918) - Rise150
16. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.964) - AED_249
17. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (7.987) - SZ11
18. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.047) - Sigtuna stg021
19. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.064) - SZ38
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.235) - SZ22


1. Irish (4.273)
2. Danish (4.378)
3. West_Scottish (4.590)
4. North_Dutch (4.628)
5. North_German (4.767)
6. Southeast_English (5.843)
7. Orcadian (6.311)
8. Southwest_English (7.572)


Mum (FTDNA):

Screenshot 2019-04-12 21.23.37.jpg


Celt + Longobard (2.53)
Celt (2.64)
Longobard + Frank (3.837)
Longobard (5.608)
Frank (7.974)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (2.64) - VDP-A6
2. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (4.373) - 6DRIF-3
3. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.608) - SZ15
4. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.623) - Unknown
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.84) - CL92
6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.859) - Hinxton 4
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.125) - I5383
8. Pict (670 AD) (6.662) - CL83
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.882) - SZ12
10. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.999) - SZ4
11. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.405) - 6DRIF-21
12. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (7.509) - SZ11
13. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.527) - 6DRIF-23
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.57) - CL145
15. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.578) - Rise150
16. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.803) - ALH_10
17. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.908) - AED_249
18. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.974) - SZ38
19. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.011) - Sigtuna stg021
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.253) - SZ22


1. Danish (4.076)
2. North_Dutch (4.233)
3. Irish (4.579)
4. North_German (4.666)
5. West_Scottish (4.767)
6. Southeast_English (5.984)
7. Orcadian (6.231)
8. Southwest_English (7.716)




Mum (Living DNA):

Screenshot 2019-04-12 21.24.06.jpg


Celt + Longobard (2.048)
Viking + Longobard (3.261)
Celt (3.629)
Longobard (4.564)
Viking (7.645)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.629) - VDP-A6
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.564) - SZ15
3. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.18) - 6DRIF-3
4. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.748) - Unknown
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.929) - CL92
6. Pict (670 AD) (5.935) - CL83
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.97) - I5383
8. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.973) - CL145
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.036) - SZ4
10. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.387) - Hinxton 4
11. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.321) - Rise150
12. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (7.427) - Hinxton 1
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.581) - CL146
14. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (7.645) - Sigtuna stg021
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.814) - ALH_10
16. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.831) - Hinxton HS1
17. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.837) - 6DRIF-18
18. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (7.893) - Rathlin2
19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.164) - AED_249
20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.183) - 6DRIF-23


1. West_Scottish (3.523)
2. Danish (3.888)
3. Irish (3.980)
4. North_Dutch (4.284)
5. Orcadian (4.398)
6. Southeast_English (5.429)
7. North_German (6.273)
8. Southwest_English (7.324)
 
Following on from my first post:

Mum (23 and Me v5):

View attachment 10918


Celt + Longobard (2.213)
Celt + Saxon (3.445)
Celt (3.964)
Longobard (4.438)
Saxon (7.944)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.964) - VDP-A6
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.438) - SZ15
3. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.067) - 6DRIF-3
4. Pict (670 AD) (5.492) - CL83
5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.949) - I5383
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.258) - CL92
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.376) - CL145
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.412) - Unknown
9. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.542) - Hinxton 4
10. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.794) - SZ4
11. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (7.351) - Hinxton 1
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.449) - CL146
13. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.544) - 6DRIF-18
14. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.728) - Rise150
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.796) - SZ12
16. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.944) - Hinxton HS1
17. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.979) - 6DRIF-23
18. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.273) - Rathlin2
19. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.314) - Sigtuna stg021
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.485) - SZ9


1. West_Scottish (3.909)
2. Orcadian (4.201)
3. Irish (4.305)
4. Danish (4.498)
5. North_Dutch (4.597)
6. Southeast_English (5.526)
7. North_German (6.611)
8. Southwest_English (7.207)


Overall, I would thoroughly recommend this site. It's great and is very informative (especially as I do not have an academic background in either archaeology or genetics).

I am, though, intrigued by one sample that shows up on all of the the maps, namely, Pict (670 AD) (6.765) - CL83.

The link is to a paper discussing Longobard remains found in cemeteries in Szólád in western Hungary and Collegno in northern Italy. Given the area in which it was found I'm presuming that it relates to the Pictones found in Roman Gaul (as opposed to the Picts in what is now Scotland). I'm under the impression, though, that this tribe was Celtic and am, therefore, both surprised, and a little confused, to see this label applied so long after the Celtic era had ended. Can anyone help me make more sense of this please?
 
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Yeah, Roman is probably just native Balkan ancestry. Pre Slavic Balkan people possibly were like Tuscans / Italians or Romans.

Those samples found in Dalmatia were like Iberians almost though I find it interesting how I match them. It proves what I said right. that female from Dalmatia was almost like some modern Albanians except it was scoring 21 North West europe shifting it West from us, she also had high similarity with Albania. She's like 80% Albanian/Balkan going by my calculations. The J2b2 was a bit more distant autosomally.


They did not use Vucedol sample for this one which was even closer to us nor did they use Bronze Age from Montenegro found years ago which was almost like some Northern Albos / Bulgarians.

I also found it interesting how I got Thracian while other Albanians didn't. Some Thracian sample found years ago was like a Tuscan basically and scored 99% Balkan.


I saw an Albo from Montenegro also got Ilyrian but he didn't get Thracian. Yet he got Hellenic Roman which I didn't even get. Though it is really interesting it also shows we ain't all identical. I see many of you Albos come out more Ancient Greek than me also. Its possibly Ilyrians that lived in Albania maybe were Ancient Greek like or more Neolithic.

Very true. But it’s also problematic. Take Global25 by Davidski. Some argue it’s more accurate than some other algorithms. Sure enough I have close distance with the Illyrian and Thracian in my top 5. With only one roman sample in this map being first. Also after Hellenic Roman, Thracian was my next closest on “mytrueancestry”. Take this G25 of mine for instance. Balkan BA/IA samples at a distance between 2-3. I don’t know what makes G25 more accurate but apparently Davidski uses the whole dna file to produce the coordinates.

]https://i.postimg.cc/C5SKsVDn/6-B81-A510-889-A-4-EC3-8924-3-F4-A606872-CB.jpg

said samples were in mytrueancestry, whose algorithm had me at a distance of 7 from the Romans. Yet per G25 a distance of 2.5-3 sample to sample. Perhaps they collectively averaged the samples they deemed Illyrian or Thracian hence roman being closer on average?

Illyrian, Tharcian & Scintian ancient samples - Reference articles "linked" by MyTrueAncestry

Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) - I3313
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) - I4332
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) - I5769
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778

Scythian Moldova (270 BC) - scy192
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457
 
Very true. But it’s also problematic. Take Global25 by Davidski. Some argue it’s more accurate than some other algorithms. Sure enough I have close distance with the Illyrian and Thracian in my top 5. With only one roman sample in this map being first. Also after Hellenic Roman, Thracian was my next closest on “mytrueancestry”. Take this G25 of mine for instance. Balkan BA/IA samples at a distance between 2-3. I don’t know what makes G25 more accurate but apparently Davidski uses the whole dna file to produce the coordinates.

]https://i.postimg.cc/C5SKsVDn/6-B81-A510-889-A-4-EC3-8924-3-F4-A606872-CB.jpg

Yeah, I saw you got Thracian but I saw some other Albos didn't.

Yeah, no doubt that you should also get it close. Vucedol sample especially should be close to us all. But they didn't use it I think. It also depends what other populations one matches and how close.

How do you do global 25 ?
 
Those Serbs and that Bosniakised Serb on TA are now butthurt we got Ilyrian/Thracian and they didn't , so now they make up some new theories xD


They are literally some of the most delusional creatures I have seen.
 
Yeah, no doubt that you should also get it close. Vucedol sample especially should be close to us all. But they didn't use it I think. It also depends what other populations one matches and how close.

How do you do global 25 ?

its like 12 dollars in donation form to Davidski who runs eurogenes blog. It can be used for a lot of custom calculators. Here’s mine. In case the moderns are confusing, it compares to individual samples rather than group average. So you will see the same ethnic group with some closer and some further since it’s individual samples. Then there’s ancient mode. And then mixed ancients with moderns. Distances are multiplied by 100. So 0.01 is 1 distance etc.


Mixed single matching:
Code:
[1,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo20"   "0.0192"
 [2,] "Macedonian:Macedonian2"           "0.0198"
 [3,] "Albanian:ALB220"                  "0.0198"
 [4,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10"             "0.0203"
 [5,] "Greek:NA17373"                    "0.0209"
 [6,] "Bulgarian:Bulgaria1"              "0.0212"
 [7,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo17"   "0.0213"
 [8,] "Greek:NA17377"                    "0.0226"
 [9,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9"              "0.0226"
[10,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro1"          "0.023" 
[11,] "Macedonian:Macedonian8"           "0.0231"
[12,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5"              "0.0235"
[13,] "Albanian:ALB191"                  "0.0237"
[14,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4"              "0.0237"
[15,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13"             "0.0238"
[16,] "Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"          "0.0238"
[17,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ40"     "0.0238"
[18,] "Balkans_BA:I4331"                 "0.0245"
[19,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo22"   "0.025" 
[20,] "Balkans_IA:I5769"                 "0.025" 
[21,] "Italian_Tuscan:NA20505"           "0.0251"
[22,] "Bulgarian:BulgarianD6"            "0.0252"
[23,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18"             "0.0252"
[24,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15"             "0.0257"
[25,] "Albanian:ALB202"                  "0.0258"
[26,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14"             "0.0258"
[27,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8"              "0.0259"
[28,] "Greek_Crete:B_Crete-1"            "0.0259"
[29,] "Balkans_BA:I4332"                 "0.0262"
[30,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo13"   "0.0266"
[31,] "Macedonian:Macedonian7"           "0.0272"
[32,] "Romanian:G408"                    "0.0274"
[33,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA195"           "0.0277"
[34,] "Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215" "0.0278"
[35,] "Romanian:G428"                    "0.0278"
[36,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11"             "0.028" 
[37,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro7"          "0.0281"
[38,] "Romanian:G429"                    "0.0281"
[39,] "Albanian:ALB213"                  "0.0282"
[40,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy192"          "0.0282"
[41,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ43"     "0.0283"
[42,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3"              "0.0285"
[43,] "Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2495"       "0.0286"
[44,] "Romanian:A343"                    "0.0286"
[45,] "Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01147"        "0.0287"
[46,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo15"   "0.0288"
[47,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17"             "0.029" 
[48,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ36"     "0.0292"
[49,] "Maltese:Malta4AM91"               "0.0293"
[50,] "Italian_Tuscan:NA20504"           "0.0293"
[51,] "Cypriot:Cyprus13AJ19"             "0.0296"
[52,] "Anatolia_IA_low_res:MA2197"       "0.0296"
[53,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12"             "0.0296"
[54,] "Bulgarian:BulgarianE2"            "0.0298"
[55,] "Italian_Tuscan:NA20502"           "0.0298"
[56,] "Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_310"     "0.0299"
[57,] "Albanian:ALB212"                  "0.0299"
[58,] "Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2"          "0.03"  
[59,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ28"     "0.0301"
[60,] "Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4"          "0.0301"



Ancient/moderns Mixed mode
Code:
 [1,] "33.7% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 66.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"     "0.0093"
 [2,] "66.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7 + 33.1% Peloponnese_N:I2318"      "0.0097"
 [3,] "31.3% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073 + 68.7% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"     "0.0101"
 [4,] "33.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 66.5% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"        "0.0103"
 [5,] "72.3% Montenegrin:Montenegro1 + 27.7% Peloponnese_N:I2318"      "0.0107"
 [6,] "35.7% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 64.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"     "0.0108"
 [7,] "28.4% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 71.6% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"      "0.0111"
 [8,] "58.8% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 41.2% Russian_Tver:Russia_Tver415" "0.0112"
 [9,] "29.9% Peloponnese_N:I3708 + 70.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"      "0.0114"
[10,] "63.2% Macedonian:Macedonian7 + 36.8% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005"      "0.0114"
[11,] "60.5% Macedonian:Macedonian7 + 39.5% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070"      "0.0114"
[12,] "29.1% Greece_N:Klei10 + 70.9% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"          "0.0115"
[13,] "58.3% Bosnian:Bosnian_14 + 41.7% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005"          "0.0115"
[14,] "28.9% Barcin_N:I0708 + 71.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"           "0.0116"
[15,] "37.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 62.3% Montenegrin:Montenegro7"        "0.0117"
[16,] "25% Koros_N:I1508 + 75% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"                "0.0118"
[17,] "46.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 53.8% Moldovan:747_R01C02"         "0.0118"
[18,] "34.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 65.8% Montenegrin:Montenegro1"     "0.0118"
[19,] "60.7% Macedonian:Macedonian7 + 39.3% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071"      "0.012" 
[20,] "33.4% Greece_N:Klei10 + 66.6% Montenegrin:Montenegro7"          "0.012" 
[21,] "36.5% Peloponnese_N_o:I3920 + 63.5% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"    "0.012" 
[22,] "47.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 52.9% Slovakian:Slovakia96"        "0.012" 
[23,] "29.6% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 70.4% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0121"
[24,] "35.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 64.8% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"     "0.0121"
[25,] "31.7% Peloponnese_N:I3709 + 68.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"      "0.0121"
[26,] "54% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 46% Ukrainian:Ukrainian22"           "0.0121"
[27,] "37.5% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 62.5% Montenegrin:Montenegro7"     "0.0121"
[28,] "25.8% Barcin_N:I1579 + 74.2% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"           "0.0121"
[29,] "51.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 48.9% Ukrainian:Ukrainian22"       "0.0121"
[30,] "28.8% Barcin_N:I1102 + 71.2% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"           "0.0122"
[31,] "54% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 46% Ukrainian:Ukrainian22"           "0.0122"
[32,] "25.9% Barcin_N:I1097 + 74.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"           "0.0122"
[33,] "27.6% Barcin_N:I0708 + 72.4% Montenegrin:Montenegro1"           "0.0122"
[34,] "29.4% Balkans_N:I0634 + 70.6% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"          "0.0122"
[35,] "31.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 68.4% Montenegrin:Montenegro1"        "0.0123"
[36,] "29.5% Barcin_N:I1585 + 70.5% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"           "0.0123"
[37,] "34% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 66% Montenegrin:Montenegro1"         "0.0123"
[38,] "28.7% Barcin_N:I1580 + 71.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"           "0.0124"
[39,] "25.9% LBKT_MN:I1904 + 74.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"            "0.0124"
[40,] "52.8% Hungarian:NA15207 + 47.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071"           "0.0124"
[41,] "46.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 53.9% Moldovan:747_R01C02"         "0.0125"
[42,] "40.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 59.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7"     "0.0125"
[43,] "75.2% Macedonian:Macedonian2 + 24.8% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073"      "0.0125"
[44,] "65.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7 + 34.1% Peloponnese_N:I3708"      "0.0125"
[45,] "49.9% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 50.1% Slovakian:Slovakia96"        "0.0125"
[46,] "27.6% Greece_N:Klei10 + 72.4% Montenegrin:Montenegro1"          "0.0125"
[47,] "55.6% Bosnian:Bosnian_14 + 44.4% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071"          "0.0125"
[48,] "58.9% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 41.1% Russian_Tver:Russia_Tver415" "0.0125"
[49,] "26.8% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 73.2% Macedonian:Macedonian2"         "0.0126"
[50,] "40.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 59.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7"     "0.0126"
[51,] "71.7% Montenegrin:Montenegro1 + 28.3% Peloponnese_N:I3708"      "0.0126"
[52,] "25.8% Greece_N:Rev5 + 74.2% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"            "0.0126"
[53,] "24.9% Balkans_N:I0676 + 75.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5"          "0.0126"
[54,] "74% Bulgarian:Bulgaria1 + 26% Peloponnese_N:I3708"              "0.0126"
[55,] "28.8% Koros_N:I1508 + 71.2% Montenegrin:Montenegro7"            "0.0127"
[56,] "55.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 44.9% Ukrainian:Ukrainian12"       "0.0128"
[57,] "28.8% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 71.2% Bulgarian:Bulgaria1"            "0.0128"
[58,] "56.6% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 43.4% Mordovian:Mordovian8"        "0.0128"
[59,] "69.8% Montenegrin:Montenegro1 + 30.2% Peloponnese_N:I3709"      "0.0128"
[60,] "61.1% Hungarian:NA15207 + 38.9% Peloponnese_N:I2318"            "0.0129"



Ancient single matching
Code:
 [1,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ40"     "0.0238"
 [2,] "Balkans_BA:I4331"                 "0.0245"
 [3,] "Balkans_IA:I5769"                 "0.025" 
 [4,] "Balkans_BA:I4332"                 "0.0262"
 [5,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA195"           "0.0277"
 [6,] "Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215" "0.0278"
 [7,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy192"          "0.0282"
 [8,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ43"     "0.0283"
 [9,] "Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2495"       "0.0286"
[10,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ36"     "0.0292"
[11,] "Anatolia_IA_low_res:MA2197"       "0.0296"
[12,] "Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_310"     "0.0299"
[13,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ28"     "0.0301"
[14,] "Beaker_Italy_North:I1979"         "0.0302"
[15,] "Mycenaean:I9041"                  "0.0309"
[16,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ32"     "0.0311"
[17,] "Maros:RISE374"                    "0.0313"
[18,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL53"     "0.0315"
[19,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL38"  "0.0318"
[20,] "Beaker_Czech:I4945"               "0.0319"
[21,] "Beaker_Hungary:I7045"             "0.032" 
[22,] "Germany_Medieval_o:STR_300"       "0.032" 
[23,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy197"          "0.0321"
[24,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL25"  "0.0323"
[25,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ37"     "0.0323"
[26,] "Anatolia_MLBA:MA2203"             "0.0326"
[27,] "Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3980"   "0.0329"
[28,] "Hungary_BA:I7043"                 "0.033" 
[29,] "Beaker_Bavaria:I5017"             "0.0333"
[30,] "Beaker_Hungary:I2364"             "0.0333"
[31,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy300"          "0.0334"
[32,] "Balkans_BA:I2520"                 "0.0335"
[33,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy305"          "0.0338"
[34,] "Germany_Roman:FN_2"               "0.034" 
[35,] "Hungary_BA:I7041"                 "0.0343"
[36,] "Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2683"       "0.0343"
[37,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy311"          "0.0344"
[38,] "Mycenaean:I9006"                  "0.0346"
[39,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL30"  "0.0351"
[40,] "Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12163" "0.0352"
[41,] "Beaker_Poland:I6582"              "0.0352"
[42,] "Beaker_Bavaria:E09538"            "0.0358"
[43,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ5"      "0.0362"
[44,] "Balkans_BA:I2175"                 "0.0362"
[45,] "Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I4054"   "0.0365"
[46,] "Balkans_BA:I3313"                 "0.0369"
[47,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA197"           "0.0369"
[48,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL94"     "0.0369"
[49,] "Krepost_N:I0679_d"                "0.037" 
[50,] "Beaker_Bavaria:I5520"             "0.0371"
[51,] "Iberia_East_IA:I3324"             "0.0372"
[52,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA198"           "0.0373"
[53,] "Vucedol:I3499"                    "0.0373"
[54,] "Balkans_BA:I2165"                 "0.0374"
[55,] "Peloponnese_N_o:I3920"            "0.0376"
[56,] "Mycenaean:I9010"                  "0.0376"
[57,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ3"      "0.0377"
[58,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ27"     "0.0379"
[59,] "Hungary_Medieval:DA199"           "0.038" 
[60,] "Beaker_Czech:I4885"               "0.0382"



Ancient Mixed mode
Code:
 [1,] "68% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 32% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                        
 [2,] "60.7% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 39.3% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"     
 [3,] "64.8% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 35.2% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"             
 [4,] "64% Barcin_N:I1580 + 36% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                           
 [5,] "60.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 39.5% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"                
 [6,] "50% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 50% Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm160"     
 [7,] "33.6% Afanasievo:I5278 + 66.4% Peloponnese_N:I2318"                     
 [8,] "56.8% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 43.2% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"         
 [9,] "65.2% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 34.8% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"             
[10,] "70% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 30% Yamnaya_Ukraine:I2105"                      
[11,] "64.9% Barcin_N:I1585 + 35.1% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                       
[12,] "69.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 30.3% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231"                   
[13,] "61.9% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 38.1% Sarmatian_Urals:tem003"                 
[14,] "68.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 31.4% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"                    
[15,] "28.6% Afanasievo:I5278 + 71.4% Boncuklu_N:Bon002"                       
[16,] "37% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009 + 63% Peloponnese_N:I2318"                      
[17,] "70.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 29.5% Yamnaya_Kalmykia:RISE552"               
[18,] "59.1% Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12163 + 40.9% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073"    
[19,] "64% Greece_N:Klei10 + 36% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                          
[20,] "66.2% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 33.8% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"       
[21,] "60.6% Barcin_N:I1097 + 39.4% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                       
[22,] "62.8% Barcin_N:I1585 + 37.2% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"          
[23,] "71.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 28.4% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429"                   
[24,] "58.9% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 41.1% Sarmatian_West:DA139"                   
[25,] "55.4% Barcin_N:I1585 + 44.6% Krasnoyarsk_MLBA:I3392"                    
[26,] "65.2% Barcin_N:I1585 + 34.8% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"                       
[27,] "55.9% Barcin_N:I1580 + 44.1% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"                   
[28,] "59% Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2495 + 41% Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ3"       
[29,] "65% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 35% Yamnaya_Ukraine:I2105"                    
[30,] "34.8% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003 + 65.2% Peloponnese_N:I3708"                  
[31,] "61.9% Barcin_N:I1580 + 38.1% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"          
[32,] "64.4% Barcin_N:I1580 + 35.6% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"                       
[33,] "67.9% Balkans_ChL:I2424 + 32.1% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                    
[34,] "65% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 35% Kubano-Tersk:PG2002"                 
[35,] "59.3% Balkans_N:I2533 + 40.7% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"                      
[36,] "69.2% Balkans_ChL:I4088 + 30.8% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                    
[37,] "70.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 29.3% Catacomb:MK3003"                        
[38,] "70.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 29.4% Yamnaya_Samara:I0370"                   
[39,] "59% Balkans_N:I2533 + 41% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"                          
[40,] "64.8% Barcin_N:I1585 + 35.2% CWC_Baltic_early:Plinkaigalis242"          
[41,] "65.3% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 34.7% Poltavka:I0440"                       
[42,] "65.7% Barcin_N:I1580 + 34.3% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231"                      
[43,] "63.4% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 36.6% Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg020"
[44,] "62% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 38% Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575"                   
[45,] "30.3% Afanasievo:I5270 + 69.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002"                       
[46,] "32.1% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009 + 67.9% Tisza_LN:I0449"                       
[47,] "55.8% Barcin_N:I1098 + 44.2% Sintashta_MLBA:I1053"                      
[48,] "36.5% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009 + 63.5% LBK_N:I0026"                          
[49,] "65.3% Barcin_N:I1580 + 34.7% Poltavka:I0374"                            
[50,] "30.5% Afanasievo:I3388 + 69.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002"                       
[51,] "62% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 38% Scythian_Ukraine:scy010"     
[52,] "33.9% Afanasievo:I3388 + 66.1% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909"                
[53,] "40.6% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003 + 59.4% TDLN:I4184"                           
[54,] "63.9% Barcin_N:I1580 + 36.1% CWC_Baltic_early:Plinkaigalis242"          
[55,] "66.5% Barcin_N:I1585 + 33.5% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231"                      
[56,] "50.6% Balkans_N:I2533 + 49.4% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"                  
[57,] "53.9% Barcin_N:I1585 + 46.1% Sintashta_MLBA:I1053"                      
[58,] "58.3% Barcin_N:I1585 + 41.7% Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575"                  
[59,] "53.7% Mentese_N:I0723 + 46.3% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"                  
[60,] "66.1% Barcin_N:I1585 + 33.9% Poltavka:I0374"                            
      [,2]    
 [1,] "0.0133"
 [2,] "0.0141"
 [3,] "0.0142"
 [4,] "0.0145"
 [5,] "0.0145"
 [6,] "0.0147"
 [7,] "0.0147"
 [8,] "0.0147"
 [9,] "0.0148"
[10,] "0.0148"
[11,] "0.015" 
[12,] "0.015" 
[13,] "0.015" 
[14,] "0.0151"
[15,] "0.0151"
[16,] "0.0151"
[17,] "0.0151"
[18,] "0.0151"
[19,] "0.0152"
[20,] "0.0152"
[21,] "0.0153"
[22,] "0.0156"
[23,] "0.0157"
[24,] "0.0157"
[25,] "0.0157"
[26,] "0.0157"
[27,] "0.0158"
[28,] "0.0158"
[29,] "0.0158"
[30,] "0.0158"
[31,] "0.0158"
[32,] "0.0158"
[33,] "0.0159"
[34,] "0.0159"
[35,] "0.0159"
[36,] "0.0159"
[37,] "0.0159"
[38,] "0.0159"
[39,] "0.0159"
[40,] "0.0159"
[41,] "0.016" 
[42,] "0.016" 
[43,] "0.016" 
[44,] "0.016" 
[45,] "0.016" 
[46,] "0.0161"
[47,] "0.0161"
[48,] "0.0161"
[49,] "0.0161"
[50,] "0.0161"
[51,] "0.0162"
[52,] "0.0162"
[53,] "0.0162"
[54,] "0.0162"
[55,] "0.0162"
[56,] "0.0163"
[57,] "0.0163"
[58,] "0.0163"
[59,] "0.0163"
[60,] "0.0163"
 
Following on from my first post:

Mum (23 and Me v5):

View attachment 10918


Celt + Longobard (2.213)
Celt + Saxon (3.445)
Celt (3.964)
Longobard (4.438)
Saxon (7.944)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.964) - VDP-A6
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.438) - SZ15
3. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.067) - 6DRIF-3
4. Pict (670 AD) (5.492) - CL83
5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.949) - I5383
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.258) - CL92
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.376) - CL145
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.412) - Unknown
9. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.542) - Hinxton 4
10. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.794) - SZ4
11. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (7.351) - Hinxton 1
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.449) - CL146
13. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.544) - 6DRIF-18
14. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.728) - Rise150
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.796) - SZ12
16. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.944) - Hinxton HS1
17. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.979) - 6DRIF-23
18. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.273) - Rathlin2
19. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.314) - Sigtuna stg021
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.485) - SZ9


1. West_Scottish (3.909)
2. Orcadian (4.201)
3. Irish (4.305)
4. Danish (4.498)
5. North_Dutch (4.597)
6. Southeast_English (5.526)
7. North_German (6.611)
8. Southwest_English (7.207)

Overall, I would thoroughly recommend this site. It's great (especially as I do not have an academic background in either archaeology or genetics).

I am, though, intrigued by one sample that shows up on all of the the maps, namely, Pict (670 AD) (6.765) - CL83.


The link is to a paper discussing Longobard remains found in cemeteries in Szólád in western Hungary and Collegno in northern Italy. Given the area in which it was found I'm presuming that it relates to the Pictones found in Roman Gaul (as opposed to the Picts in what is now Scotland). I'm under the impression, though, that this tribe was Celtic and am, therefore, both surprised, and a little confused, to see this label applied so long after the Celtic era had ended. Can anyone help me make more sense of this please?

I think what it means is that particular sample is not really "Longobard", as in Germanic in origin. This is Hungary, and we know the "Celts" in a broad sense were present there. Many papers have posited that some of the "Celts" who came to Italy, i,.e. the Boi, came from Hungary.

@Gash,
As to the "Roman" samples in Szolad, i.e. Central Roman, Gallo Roman and Hellenic Roman, what they're talking about is the Roman inhabitants of Pannonia. If you go back to the Amorim paper you'll see that the authors are careful to consider the archaeology, and the settlement was built in an area known for its Roman forts and villas in the period preceding the arrival of the Langobards. I don't know why it would be surprising that descendants of those people would still be there. Of course, their fate is not enviable.

You might want to read about Roman Pannonia at this late date. The Keszthely is the culture that was present in that precise area. Now, the authors of the article say the people were "Romanized". I'm not sure. Archaeologists for the last 50 or more years haven't wanted to admit that people moved, and not just pots. These people are too "Italian" like, it seems to me, being variously Gallo-Roman, Central Roman, or Hellenic Roman, to be mostly of "local" ancestry, and as I said upthread, this is the precise area where there are the remains of Roman forts and villas, and which maintained, with great difficulty, its "Roman" culture into the 7th century, when all around them in Pannonia it had perished.

As for the "Illyrian" and "Thracian" samples, that's precisely what they are, and that's the context in which they were buried. It seems that what this company has done is straight up run an individual's whole genome against the whole genomes of ancient samples, presumably ones that are high quality. What could be more accurate than that? I don't know what anyone else is doing, whether all the samples used are of high quality, whether the run was "supervised", etc. etc.

This is also the Bronze Age we're talking about. I don't see anything unusual in "Illyrians", i.e. mixed Indo-European and Southeastern European MN farmers moving into both Dalmatia and Northeastern Italy. Since then there were obviously changes, but maybe in one place the incoming people were "more" different, and so the overall similarity to Illyrians dropped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

"The characteristic garb of women included earrings with basket-shaped pendants, disc brooches with early Christian motifs, and garment pins. The early Christian symbols include crosses, bird-shaped brooches and pins decorated with bird figures (one bird-shaped brooch bears an incised cross). The Romanized populace of Pannonia in general became ‘Avarized’, and their ‘island’ of late antique culture is documented only in the immediate vicinity of Keszthely, where their traditional costume was worn until the beginning of the 9th century."

"The name Keszthely (IPA [ˈkɛst.hɛj]) could be related to the IstriotVenetian castei, which means "castle", and is probably an original word of the Pannonian Romance language, according to the Austrian linguist Julius Pokorny.[2] He also posits that the word Pannonia is derived via Illyrian from a Proto-Indo-European root *pen- "swamp, water, wet". If true, that would suggest that the pre-Roman language of Pannonia was an Illyrian language.


 
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I think what it means is that particular sample is not really "Longobard", as in Germanic in origin. This is Hungary, and we know the "Celts" in a broad sense were present there. Many papers have posited that some of the "Celts" who came to Italy, i,.e. the Boi, came from Hungary.


Thanks Angela - that's most helpful. :)
 

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