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There are NO Ancient Samples from Center and South Italy (yet).

It explains for some of the distances.

Map Top 10:
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To Salento

What is the breakdown of Torna Alta Andalucía?
 
Ooh, plague victim. I have a Dutch plague victim on my map. I also match all of the gladiators except for the Egyptian one, which makes sense if they were local-my grandmother's family, the Robinsons, comes from Yorkshire, and I have other lines leading to Yorkshire and neighboring Lancashire.
 
To Salento

What is the breakdown of Torna Alta Andalucía?

She’s a Señorita from Andalusìa :)

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mtDNA H1

Ancient:

Philistine + Roman (7.413)
Ancient Greek + Philistine (9.127)
Philistine (11.25)
Roman (14.48)
Ancient Greek (14.61)

Modern (imo she matches the Sephardic Jews):
1. Algerian_Jewish (10.62)
2. Italian_Jewish (11.37)
3. West_Sicilian (12.63)
4. East_Sicilian (14.00)
5. South_Italian (14.39)
6. Ashkenazi (14.44)
7. Greek_Islands (14.48)
8. Tunisian_Jewish (14.5
 
My Top Match, SZ36 matches :) my Y Haplogroup, although I have another Top Match SZ40 on another Kit.
(AncestryDNA and 23andme don’t get along ...) :grin:

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Salento, 11.62 is a great distance though. So your Top Match SZ36 is not your best fit.
 
Salento, 11.62 is a great distance though. So your Top Match SZ36 is not your best fit.

They don’t have REAL Ancient Center and S.Italians samples yet.

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The purple triangles (Romans) below are probably my REAL Top Matches, but are not available.

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another perspective:

DnaPortal K36 Ancient:
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nMonte:
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Pax is right about the distance to that particular sample, 11.62 is fairly large. Though I'm sure, as you said ,we will all have different results when the samples are utilized. This particular calculator will have that happen, since they continuously update with new samples available. However, in regards to those samples from that "Leaked PCA"; we will still need to verify their identities, and the time-frame. I think it is important that we wait and be patient before investing so much in expectations.

TBH, I think leaked material, that is not officially verified is bad for our discourse. It serves more to create confusion, and misinformation.
 
Pax is right about the distance to that particular sample, 11.62 is fairly large. Though I'm sure, as you said ,we will all have different results when the samples are utilized. This particular calculator will have that happen, since they continuously update with new samples available. However, in regards to those samples from that "Leaked PCA"; we will still need to verify their identities, and the time-frame. I think it is important that we wait and be patient before investing so much in expectations.

TBH, I think leaked material, that is not officially verified is bad for our discourse. It serves more to create confusion, and misinformation.

Agree.
Maybe is also because many Pugliesi, genetically (more or less) are a bridge between Italy, Greece, and the Balkans.
If a calculator doesn’t have samples from Puglia, it gets really confused.
... and many don’t, most of GedMatch included. imo
 
another perspective:

DnaPortal K36 Ancient:
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nMonte:
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[h=3]Population[/h][h=3]Distance[/h]
[h=4]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/h][h=4]1.197928[/h]
[h=4]CL36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.237396[/h]
[h=4]CL57_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.330768[/h]
[h=4]SZ28_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.438457[/h]
[h=4]SZ43_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.541763[/h]
[h=4]CL63_Alpine[/h][h=4]1.577491[/h]
[h=4]SZ37_Greek-Italian[/h][h=4]1.615911[/h]
[h=4]BA_Hungary_BR2[/h][h=4]1.63093[/h]
[h=4]We are very different , even though we match very very close in haplogroup[/h]
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@Torzio you match my CL36 and SZ37, besides my exact Haplogroup.
 
I think it is based on the YDNA of the samples that match you right? Heres mine


YDNA(30% R1b/19% J/19%E1b/10.8%G) these were the highest percentages of those that matched me. R1a, I1, T were all 5.4% each and I2/E were 2.5 each.


MTDNA was a cluster fudge to go through, but H/H1+H3 are highest


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Here's mine. I'm not sure what exactly it means but I'm assuming R1B is fairly common for western Europe.

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Here's mine. I'm not sure what exactly it means but I'm assuming R1B is fairly common for western Europe.

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My Scottish friend gets mostly the same break down. claims descent from Comyn the Red. He is haplogroup G.
 
You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)

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another perspective:

DnaPortal K36 Ancient:
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nMonte:
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Remebering that we are talking about matches with very ancient samples of very ancient peoples or civilizations. We are not talking about matches with modern peoples. In this sense, distances more hight must be tolerated and is this MTA do. For me It’s so clear the warning below of MTA to to all users of the application. I think, IMO, l that the results of Salento are very coerent with his ancestry from Apulia. Of course the existence of more samples from south Italy would be much better, but that does not invalidate the correct bias of Salento's results;)

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At the moment I have these two coincidences.

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Remebering that we are talking about matches with very ancient samples of very ancient peoples or civilizations. We are not talking about matches with modern peoples. In this sense, distances more hight must be tolerated and is this MTA do. For me It’s so clear the warning below of MTA to to all users of the application. I think, IMO, l that the results of Salento are very coerent with his ancestry from Apulia. Of course the existence of more samples from south Italy would be much better, but that does not invalidate the correct bias of Salento's results;)

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I want members to comment and to opine.

After all, that’s why we post results and other stuff.

... and if we are just a little bit more open minded, and interested in listening (LOL), we might learn a thing or two from each other :)
 
Ancestry - 23 - Combo | Top 2 with distance


SZ36 11.64 - SZ40 11.98
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SZ40 11.61 - SZ36 11.78

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SZ36 11.62 - SZ40 11.97

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Population
Distance
i3759_Celtiberian_IA
1.333519
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
1.423613
I3759_Celtiberian
1.501593
i3758_Celtiberian_IA
1.550354
BA_Hungary_RISE373
1.567452
I3874_Beaker_South_France
1.608371
I10892_Catalonia_medieval
1.650611
SZ45_Pannonian
1.751551

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Sometimes I wonder what our designs will be in this era where we bump into our elbows in overcrowded cities that we can't or don't want to give up for raising malbas in more unpopulated areas, knowing who we are and dying.

[h=3]Population[/h][h=3]Value[/h]
[h=4]i3759_Celtiberian_IA[/h][h=4]37[/h]
[h=4]BA_Hungary_RISE373[/h][h=4]5[/h]
[h=4]i3758_Celtiberian_IA[/h][h=4]4.4[/h]
[h=4]i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/h][h=4]4.2[/h]
[h=4]I3874_Beaker_South_France[/h][h=4]2.6[/h]
[h=4]I3759_Celtiberian[/h][h=4]2.4[/h]
[h=4]I3578_EMA_Andalusia[/h][h=4]2.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032[/h][h=4]2[/h]
[h=4]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/h][h=4]1.8[/h]
[h=4]N_Sweden_Gökhem7[/h][h=4]1.8[/h]
[h=4]I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/h][h=4]1.4[/h]
[h=4]SZ43_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.4[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0113[/h][h=4]1.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iberia_I1281[/h][h=4]1.2[/h]
[h=4]N_Levant_AinGhazal5[/h][h=4]1.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Srubnaya_I0358[/h][h=4]1[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iberia_I1277[/h][h=4]1[/h]
[h=4]IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL[/h][h=4]1[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iberia_I1303[/h][h=4]0.8[/h]
[h=4]CWC_Sweden_RISE97[/h][h=4]0.8[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1[/h][h=4]0.8[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE566[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]CWC_Germany_I0108[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Alpine_STR_310[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]I1767_Beaker_Britain[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]IA_Britain_York_6DRIF21[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]SZ28_north-Italian[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]SZ45_Pannonian[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iberia_ATP16_[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iberia_I1274[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Remedello_IT_RISE486[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]CL36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]CL94_Iberian[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]EN_Iberia_I0410[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]MN_Germany_I0560[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]MN_Iberia_I0405[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_6[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]Amerindian_Chachapoya[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Armenia_RISE407[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Hungary_BR1[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Hungary_RISE484[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Karasuk_RISE492[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Karasuk_RISE499[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Levant_I0867[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Portugal_ERR1524174[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Portugal_MonteGato_104[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Unetice_Germany_I0803[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Unetice_Germany__I0115[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_249[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE567[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0112[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0806[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Bell_Beaker_Germany_RISE563_[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]C1_Nepal_Chokhopani_2700BP[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Armenia_I1409[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iberia_1280[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iberia_I1314[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iran_I1674[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Yamnaya_Samara_I0444[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CL151_Longobard[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CL23_north-Italian[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CL31_Greek_Balkan[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CL83_Celto-Longobard[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CL87_Longobard[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CWC_Denmark_RISE61[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CWC_Germany_I0104[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CWC_Germany_I0111[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]DA119_Germanic_chieftain_Poprad[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]DA222_Karluk[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]DA_205_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EBA_Russia_RISE555[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Balkan_AED_1135[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Hinxton2_Anglosaxon[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Hinxton3_Anglosaxon[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EN_Ballinahatty_Ireland_[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EN_Iberia_I0409[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EN_Iberia_I0411_I041[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]I10851_medieval_Catalonia[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]IA_Britain_York_6DRIF3[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]IA_Sarmatian_PR9_I0574_Pokrovka[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]IA_Scythian_I0247b[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]IA_Wielbark_Kow_22_PL[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]IA_Wielbark_Kow_45_PL[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]LBA_Armenia_RISE397[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]MA2198_Anatolia_IA[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]MBA_ATP2_Iberia[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]MBA_ATP9_Iberia[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]MBA_Armenia_RISE416[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]MBA_Armenia_RISE423[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]N_Hungary_CO1[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Natufian__1072[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_9[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]SZ15_Longobard[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]SZ1_Greek-Balkan[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]SZ30_Celtic[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]SZ3_Longobard[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]TAF009_Iberomaurasian[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Visigoth_I12163[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
 
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