G25 Neolithic List Using Averaged Coordinates

[qh777]

It appears that Turkey_Boncuklu_N.SG has Natufian or Natufian like admixture ranging from 15-20% which would put my Natufian admix somewhere between 9.1-11.3% This list I made doesn't breakdown various populations like I thought.

 

[Luso]

Anatolia_Neolithic

Yamnaya_Steppe

Natufian

WesternHunterGatherer

SSA

Japan

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Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 3.2382% / 0.03238242​

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53.0​

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27.0​

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9.2​

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8.6​

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1.8​

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0.4​

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Amerindian

Anatolia_Neolithic

Yamnaya_Steppe

SSA

Natufian

WesternHunterGatherer

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Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.2778% / 0.02277788​

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49.2​

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29.4​

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13.0​

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3.6​

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2.6​

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2.2​

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[qh777]

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[td width="1203.06px"]Anatolia_Neolithic[/td]
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[td width="1203.06px"]Yamnaya_Steppe[/td]
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[td width="1203.06px"]Natufian[/td]
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[td width="1203.06px"]WesternHunterGatherer[/td]
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[td width="1203.06px"]Japan[/td]
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Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 3.2382% / 0.03238242

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53.0

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27.0

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9.2

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8.6

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1.8

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0.4

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[td width="1203.06px"]Yamnaya_Steppe[/td]
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[td width="1203.06px"]Natufian[/td]
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[td width="1203.06px"]WesternHunterGatherer[/td]
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Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.2778% / 0.02277788

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49.2

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29.4

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13.0

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3.6

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2.6

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2.2

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Your results didn't paste over too good.

 

[thunorr]

I fixed the list. Since merging my 4 DNA files and uploading to Illustrativedna for G25 coords, my Natufian went up.

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Target: Thunorr_scaled Distance: 4.7041% / 0.04704117 | R3P
45.8	Yamnaya_Steppe
42.4	Anatolia_Neolithic
WesternHunterGatherer

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11.8​

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Distance: 4.7041% / 0.04704117 | R3P[/th][th][/th]
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[td]45.8[/td][td]Yamnaya_Steppe[/td]
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11.8

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It doesn't format the best but WHG is 11.8%
Using an ADC of 0.5x, I get more accurate results (will send in a different message)

 

[thunorr]

It doesn't format the best but WHG is 11.8%
Using an ADC of 0.5x, I get more accurate results (will send in a different message)

Target: Thunorr_scaled Distance: 4.9955% / 0.04995457 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.6	Yamnaya_Steppe
41.2	Anatolia_Neolithic
WesternHunterGatherer

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12.2​

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[qh777]

Anatolia_Neolithic_low_Natufian:Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG,0.1161,0.177718,0.013576,-0.098838,0.051702,-0.049364,-0.00517,-0.008538,0.046631,0.108977,0.013316,0.019483,-0.032259,-0.002477,-0.087132,-0.011138,0.075492,-0.001014,0.023757,-0.020385,-0.025206,0.008532,-0.005176,-0.011568,-0.022992

Yamnaya/Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439,0.127482,0.09546,0.037712,0.113374,-0.018157,0.033467,0.0047,-0.005077,-0.053176,-0.057587,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.006541,-0.025598,0.038952,0.01432,-0.001434,-0.007095,-0.001257,0.018259,-0.001872,0.006801,0.016269,0.025546,-0.009819

CHG:Georgia_Kotias.SG:KK1_noUDG.SG,0.08992,0.103584,-0.088246,-0.004845,-0.089555,0.020359,0.023266,-0.001154,-0.130486,-0.080002,-0.007632,0.024878,-0.052626,0.007707,0.026465,-0.0297,0.027772,-0.010769,-0.023757,0.037518,0.030945,-0.006677,0.0053,-0.020846,0.001557

WHG:Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
WHG:England_Mesolithic:I6767,0.125205,0.109677,0.204022,0.196708,0.159414,0.055499,0.016921,0.036922,0.090604,0.018041,-0.01835,-0.010641,0.014271,0.000275,0.06406,0.06351,-0.000261,0.009882,-0.007039,0.066657,0.118541,0.017559,-0.054968,-0.177615,0.021196

Natufian:Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.155376,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003735,0

Iran_N:Iran_GanjDareh_N:I1290,0.037562,0.072103,-0.154997,-0.007429,-0.122484,0.01255,0.015746,-0.005077,-0.081196,-0.050662,0.005521,-0.005995,0.008028,-0.017478,0.024837,0.068151,-0.006519,0.010642,0.01433,-0.035892,0.011355,-0.025102,-0.016638,-0.040006,0.029458
Iran_N:Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG:AH4_noUDG.SG,0.052359,0.063978,-0.144814,0.000646,-0.125562,0.019801,0.00893,-0.001385,-0.0814,-0.057587,-0.001137,-0.001199,0.003568,-0.012386,0.028773,0.057676,-0.006389,0.003421,0.016089,-0.036518,0.00574,-0.025102,-0.013311,-0.036391,0.01413
Iran_N:Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG:WC1_noUDG.SG,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998

SSA:Malawi_Hora_LSA_15500BP:I19528,-0.575945,0.050776,0.001886,0.025517,-0.012925,-0.001116,0.190594,-0.134533,0.04929,-0.014943,-0.00065,-0.026227,-0.022894,0.005643,0.00285,-0.019225,0.026338,0.116934,-0.027151,-0.010755,-0.015972,-0.003586,0.004437,-0.007471,0.002515





These are not averaged but I've found another combination of G25 samples that Isolates Natufian admixture for myself and probably other northwest Europeans.

 

[thunorr]

Anatolia_Neolithic_low_Natufian:Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG,0.1161,0.177718,0.013576,-0.098838,0.051702,-0.049364,-0.00517,-0.008538,0.046631,0.108977,0.013316,0.019483,-0.032259,-0.002477,-0.087132,-0.011138,0.075492,-0.001014,0.023757,-0.020385,-0.025206,0.008532,-0.005176,-0.011568,-0.022992

Yamnaya/Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439,0.127482,0.09546,0.037712,0.113374,-0.018157,0.033467,0.0047,-0.005077,-0.053176,-0.057587,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.006541,-0.025598,0.038952,0.01432,-0.001434,-0.007095,-0.001257,0.018259,-0.001872,0.006801,0.016269,0.025546,-0.009819

CHG:Georgia_Kotias.SG:KK1_noUDG.SG,0.08992,0.103584,-0.088246,-0.004845,-0.089555,0.020359,0.023266,-0.001154,-0.130486,-0.080002,-0.007632,0.024878,-0.052626,0.007707,0.026465,-0.0297,0.027772,-0.010769,-0.023757,0.037518,0.030945,-0.006677,0.0053,-0.020846,0.001557

WHG:Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
WHG:England_Mesolithic:I6767,0.125205,0.109677,0.204022,0.196708,0.159414,0.055499,0.016921,0.036922,0.090604,0.018041,-0.01835,-0.010641,0.014271,0.000275,0.06406,0.06351,-0.000261,0.009882,-0.007039,0.066657,0.118541,0.017559,-0.054968,-0.177615,0.021196

Natufian:Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.155376,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003735,0

Iran_N:Iran_GanjDareh_N:I1290,0.037562,0.072103,-0.154997,-0.007429,-0.122484,0.01255,0.015746,-0.005077,-0.081196,-0.050662,0.005521,-0.005995,0.008028,-0.017478,0.024837,0.068151,-0.006519,0.010642,0.01433,-0.035892,0.011355,-0.025102,-0.016638,-0.040006,0.029458
Iran_N:Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG:AH4_noUDG.SG,0.052359,0.063978,-0.144814,0.000646,-0.125562,0.019801,0.00893,-0.001385,-0.0814,-0.057587,-0.001137,-0.001199,0.003568,-0.012386,0.028773,0.057676,-0.006389,0.003421,0.016089,-0.036518,0.00574,-0.025102,-0.013311,-0.036391,0.01413
Iran_N:Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG:WC1_noUDG.SG,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998

SSA:Malawi_Hora_LSA_15500BP:I19528,-0.575945,0.050776,0.001886,0.025517,-0.012925,-0.001116,0.190594,-0.134533,0.04929,-0.014943,-0.00065,-0.026227,-0.022894,0.005643,0.00285,-0.019225,0.026338,0.116934,-0.027151,-0.010755,-0.015972,-0.003586,0.004437,-0.007471,0.002515





These are not averaged but I've found another combination of G25 samples that Isolates Natufian admixture for myself and probably other northwest Europeans.

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I think that using Dzudzuana would be a better proxy for the Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers since they derived most if not all of their ancestry from them.

 

[thunorr]

I think that using Dzudzuana would be a better proxy for the Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers since they derived most if not all of their ancestry from them.

I found an Anatolian Hunter-Gatherer sample/average, here are my results using an IllustrativeDNA model and the standard Davidski model.

AHG:Anatolia_Mesolithic_Pinarbasi,0.114961,0.167562,0.03017,-0.08075,0.072629,-0.039881,-0.00047,0.000231,0.046836,0.083282,0.004222,0.007793,-0.02215,-0.011836,-0.041123,-0.003845,0.043027,0.00114,0.008799,-0.004252,-0.011729,0.006801,-0.006286,-0.010122,-0.007784

 

[qh777]

I think that using Dzudzuana would be a better proxy for the Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers since they derived most if not all of their ancestry from them.

My goal for the list on post #27 was to discover individuals' admixture from the neolithic and later and to isolate Natufian admixture for Europeans. From what I've read Dzudzuana and Basal Eurasians are ancestral populations to Natufians as well as Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers. I've also heard that Pinarbasi has Natufian or Natufian like admixture. Which explains why your Natufian admixture is lower possibly when substituting the Neolithic Anatolian for the AHG.

When I substitute the AHG from the Neolithic Anatolian, my Natufian admixture goes down to 1.6%. I've heard that AHG from Pinarbasi can be modeled as having 17% Natufian admixture. 17% of 39.5 is 6.715%. Add the 1.6% Natufian and the total Natufian for me would be 8.315% which is very close to my result with the list I pasted in post #27

Interestingly, I substituted the AHG and the Neolithic Anatolian for Dzudzuana. I expected to see only Steppe, WHG, and Dzudzuana.

 

[Omino]

Anatolia_Neolithic_low_Natufian:Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG,0.1161,0.177718,0.013576,-0.098838,0.051702,-0.049364,-0.00517,-0.008538,0.046631,0.108977,0.013316,0.019483,-0.032259,-0.002477,-0.087132,-0.011138,0.075492,-0.001014,0.023757,-0.020385,-0.025206,0.008532,-0.005176,-0.011568,-0.022992

Yamnaya/Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439,0.127482,0.09546,0.037712,0.113374,-0.018157,0.033467,0.0047,-0.005077,-0.053176,-0.057587,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.006541,-0.025598,0.038952,0.01432,-0.001434,-0.007095,-0.001257,0.018259,-0.001872,0.006801,0.016269,0.025546,-0.009819

CHG:Georgia_Kotias.SG:KK1_noUDG.SG,0.08992,0.103584,-0.088246,-0.004845,-0.089555,0.020359,0.023266,-0.001154,-0.130486,-0.080002,-0.007632,0.024878,-0.052626,0.007707,0.026465,-0.0297,0.027772,-0.010769,-0.023757,0.037518,0.030945,-0.006677,0.0053,-0.020846,0.001557

WHG:Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
WHG:England_Mesolithic:I6767,0.125205,0.109677,0.204022,0.196708,0.159414,0.055499,0.016921,0.036922,0.090604,0.018041,-0.01835,-0.010641,0.014271,0.000275,0.06406,0.06351,-0.000261,0.009882,-0.007039,0.066657,0.118541,0.017559,-0.054968,-0.177615,0.021196

Natufian:Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.155376,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003735,0

Iran_N:Iran_GanjDareh_N:I1290,0.037562,0.072103,-0.154997,-0.007429,-0.122484,0.01255,0.015746,-0.005077,-0.081196,-0.050662,0.005521,-0.005995,0.008028,-0.017478,0.024837,0.068151,-0.006519,0.010642,0.01433,-0.035892,0.011355,-0.025102,-0.016638,-0.040006,0.029458
Iran_N:Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG:AH4_noUDG.SG,0.052359,0.063978,-0.144814,0.000646,-0.125562,0.019801,0.00893,-0.001385,-0.0814,-0.057587,-0.001137,-0.001199,0.003568,-0.012386,0.028773,0.057676,-0.006389,0.003421,0.016089,-0.036518,0.00574,-0.025102,-0.013311,-0.036391,0.01413
Iran_N:Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG:WC1_noUDG.SG,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998

SSA:Malawi_Hora_LSA_15500BP:I19528,-0.575945,0.050776,0.001886,0.025517,-0.012925,-0.001116,0.190594,-0.134533,0.04929,-0.014943,-0.00065,-0.026227,-0.022894,0.005643,0.00285,-0.019225,0.026338,0.116934,-0.027151,-0.010755,-0.015972,-0.003586,0.004437,-0.007471,0.002515





These are not averaged but I've found another combination of G25 samples that Isolates Natufian admixture for myself and probably other northwest Europeans.

View attachment 16836
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When I include AHG

 

[peartreeman]

Portuguese/Brazilian

https://imgur.com/pS7dePK

 

[torzio]

Distance to: VitZandePret
0.18509161 Yamnaya/Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
0.19749443 Anatolia_Neolithic_low_Natufian:Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG
0.25003582 Natufian:Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d
0.26901267 CHG:Georgia_Kotias.SG:KK1_noUDG.SG
0.30391136 Iran_N:Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG:AH4_noUDG.SG
0.30760398 Iran_N:Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG:WC1_noUDG.SG
0.31283081 Iran_N:Iran_GanjDareh_N:I1290
0.37858528 WHG:Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG
0.40476499 WHG:England_Mesolithic:I6767
0.76023246 SSA:Malawi_Hora_LSA_15500BP:I19528


Target: VitZandePret
Distance: 0.0492% / 0.04921624
43.3 Yamnaya/Steppe
37.5 Anatolia_Neolithic_low_Natufian
11.9 Natufian
6.1 WHG
1.2 CHG