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Dodecad is outdated.
... you're not up-to-date
Most of the dod. K12b Ancient are brand new.
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Dodecad is outdated.
... you're not up-to-date
Most of the dod K12b Ancient are brand new.
I know the samples are updated.
But, the calculator itself is outdated.
I know the samples are updated.
But, the calculator itself is outdated.
Distance to: | RegioX(FTDNA) |
---|---|
3.34049398 | North_Italian_HGDP01154 |
5.46777834 | North_Italian_HGDP01147 |
5.84171208 | North_Italian_HGDP01173 |
6.23531074 | North_Italian_HGDP01152 |
6.43469502 | North_Italian_HGDP01157 |
6.59252607 | French_HGDP00520 |
7.36264898 | North_Italian_HGDP01172 |
7.38028455 | North_Italian_HGDP01151 |
8.82103735 | North_Italian_HGDP01174 |
8.83645291 | French_HGDP00516 |
9.28382464 | North_Italian_HGDP01171 |
9.56741867 | French_HGDP00536 |
9.87954452 | North_Italian_HGDP01155 |
9.89127393 | Tuscan_HGDP01164 |
10.33679834 | North_Italian_HGDP01153 |
10.38911931 | North_Italian_HGDP01177 |
10.45358790 | Tuscan_HGDP01163 |
10.72101208 | French_HGDP00530 |
11.12338977 | Tuscan_HGDP01167 |
11.96058527 | North_Italian_HGDP01156 |
12.07745420 | Tuscan_HGDP01162 |
12.80771252 | French_HGDP00521 |
12.81907563 | French_HGDP00538 |
13.18837746 | French_HGDP00525 |
13.52477726 | French_HGDP00512 |
Distance to: | RegioX(23andMe) |
---|---|
3.71406785 | North_Italian_HGDP01154 |
5.33921343 | North_Italian_HGDP01147 |
5.84539135 | North_Italian_HGDP01173 |
6.06728110 | North_Italian_HGDP01152 |
6.29830930 | North_Italian_HGDP01157 |
6.97015064 | French_HGDP00520 |
7.01143352 | North_Italian_HGDP01151 |
7.12117968 | North_Italian_HGDP01172 |
8.67305598 | North_Italian_HGDP01174 |
9.18652274 | North_Italian_HGDP01171 |
9.20710052 | French_HGDP00516 |
9.44976719 | Tuscan_HGDP01164 |
9.61240865 | North_Italian_HGDP01155 |
9.92362333 | French_HGDP00536 |
9.96871607 | Tuscan_HGDP01163 |
10.11656068 | North_Italian_HGDP01177 |
10.27619579 | North_Italian_HGDP01153 |
10.68316433 | Tuscan_HGDP01167 |
11.11625387 | French_HGDP00530 |
11.59589151 | Tuscan_HGDP01162 |
11.80128807 | North_Italian_HGDP01156 |
13.26621649 | French_HGDP00521 |
13.31208098 | French_HGDP00538 |
13.38442752 | Tuscan_HGDP01166 |
13.56455307 | Tuscan_HGDP01168 |
Distance to: | Father(23andMe) |
---|---|
4.13206970 | North_Italian_HGDP01154 |
6.38519381 | French_HGDP00520 |
7.59313506 | North_Italian_HGDP01173 |
7.63840952 | North_Italian_HGDP01147 |
8.06409325 | North_Italian_HGDP01152 |
8.52505718 | North_Italian_HGDP01157 |
8.69483180 | North_Italian_HGDP01151 |
8.79691992 | French_HGDP00516 |
9.08269233 | North_Italian_HGDP01172 |
10.35715212 | North_Italian_HGDP01174 |
10.49721868 | French_HGDP00536 |
10.62561057 | Tuscan_HGDP01164 |
10.81034227 | North_Italian_HGDP01171 |
11.33819210 | Tuscan_HGDP01163 |
11.41520915 | French_HGDP00530 |
11.75150629 | North_Italian_HGDP01155 |
11.80270732 | North_Italian_HGDP01153 |
11.92562367 | Tuscan_HGDP01167 |
12.44428785 | North_Italian_HGDP01177 |
12.62221851 | French_HGDP00521 |
12.68587403 | French_HGDP00525 |
12.77363691 | French_HGDP00538 |
13.18273871 | Tuscan_HGDP01162 |
13.23869707 | French_HGDP00529 |
13.35891837 | French_HGDP00512 |
Distance to: | Mother(23andMe) |
---|---|
3.56561355 | North_Italian_HGDP01154 |
5.49149342 | North_Italian_HGDP01147 |
6.98324423 | North_Italian_HGDP01173 |
7.09439215 | North_Italian_HGDP01152 |
7.31163456 | North_Italian_HGDP01157 |
7.31932374 | French_HGDP00520 |
7.35930024 | North_Italian_HGDP01151 |
8.92560922 | North_Italian_HGDP01172 |
9.19806501 | French_HGDP00516 |
9.38252631 | French_HGDP00536 |
10.57304119 | North_Italian_HGDP01174 |
10.62546940 | French_HGDP00530 |
11.04452353 | North_Italian_HGDP01177 |
11.08752903 | North_Italian_HGDP01171 |
11.16357470 | Tuscan_HGDP01164 |
11.35544363 | North_Italian_HGDP01155 |
12.06674355 | North_Italian_HGDP01153 |
12.10793128 | Tuscan_HGDP01163 |
12.25920063 | French_HGDP00538 |
12.37658273 | French_HGDP00525 |
12.73892068 | Tuscan_HGDP01167 |
12.87508058 | French_HGDP00529 |
13.30596859 | French_HGDP00521 |
13.36654780 | French_HGDP00537 |
13.49624022 | French_HGDP00512 |
I know the samples are updated.
But, the calculator itself is outdated.
I0588 Tanzania Zanzibar, sample published by Pontus Skoglund and dated to 800 AD:
Eurogenes K15 results of this sample:
27834 SNPs used in this evaluation
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 26.89
2 West_Med 26.26
3 North_Sea 24.7
4 East_Med 6.37
5 Baltic 5.24
6 West_Asian 3
7 Red_Sea 2.41
8 Sub-Saharan 2.4
9 Eastern_Euro 1.48
10 Siberian 1.25
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 6.55
2 Portuguese 7.09
3 Spanish_Cantabria 7.34
4 Spanish_Cataluna 7.72
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.99
6 Spanish_Extremadura 8.15
7 Spanish_Murcia 8.9
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 9.69
9 Southwest_French 10.05
10 Spanish_Aragon 10.18
11 Spanish_Valencia 10.25
12 Spanish_Andalucia 10.47
13 French 11.81
14 North_Italian 12.6
15 South_Dutch 16.64
16 French_Basque 17.96
17 West_German 18.29
18 Southwest_English 18.53
19 Tuscan 18.61
20 Southeast_English 20.41
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.1% Orcadian + 44.9% Sardinian @ 4.56
2 60.8% Southwest_English + 39.2% Sardinian @ 5.11
3 55.2% West_Scottish + 44.8% Sardinian @ 5.35
4 55.9% Irish + 44.1% Sardinian @ 5.41
5 58.3% Southeast_English + 41.7% Sardinian @ 5.48
6 59.6% Spanish_Galicia + 40.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.8
7 85.5% Spanish_Galicia + 14.5% French_Basque @ 5.89
8 92% Spanish_Galicia + 8% Sardinian @ 6.11
9 55% North_Dutch + 45% Sardinian @ 6.12
10 73.1% French + 26.9% Sardinian @ 6.18
11 79.4% Spanish_Galicia + 20.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.21
12 79.3% Spanish_Galicia + 20.7% Southwest_French @ 6.22
13 83.2% Spanish_Galicia + 16.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.38
14 80.4% Spanish_Galicia + 19.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.47
15 88.9% Spanish_Galicia + 11.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.47
16 88.9% Spanish_Galicia + 11.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.48
17 54.5% Portuguese + 45.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.49
18 99.4% Spanish_Galicia + 0.6% Yoruban @ 6.51
19 99.4% Spanish_Galicia + 0.6% Mandenka @ 6.52
20 88% Spanish_Galicia + 12% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.52
Similarity map:
Europeans in Zanzibar - eastern coast of Africa - as early as 800 CE ???
This sample is also in Global25.
I decided to post this doubt of mine here so that someone might perhaps help clarify what's happening with the average population DNA sample named TZA_Zanzibar_FirstMillennium in Global25 datasheets. I have googled to try to find the paper that that sample comes from, but couldn't find it. The issue is that, running the sample into nMonte software to model its ancestry, it's clear that it's just too much of an outlier to be believed: the sample is closest to ancient Iberian samples and, among modern populations, also to Iberians. Okay, I wouldn't be totally surprised by a Portuguese trader/sailor being buried in Zanzibar in the 16th or 17th century (though I still think that would be a real find, as they must've been a tiny minority of the total population), but first millennium? Does anyone have any information about that DNA sample, the study that analyzed and released it, the dating and archaeological circumstances? For now I'll just assume that the labeling was totally wrong and it in fact dates to the last centuries.
Distance to: | Duarte |
---|---|
6.76977104 | I0588_Tanzania_Zanzibar_800AD_outlier(European) |
8.24704796 | IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435 |
9.21567686 | IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021 |
9.48283713 | Swiss_CHE_IA_SX18 |
10.20174005 | IA_Civitavecchia_R474 |
10.21657477 | IA_Civitavecchia_R473 |
10.64023026 | ScythianMoldova_SCY197 |
10.64999531 | RomanSoldier_FN2 |
11.06359345 | IA_Ardea_R851 |
11.28990257 | IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015 |
11.45422193 | Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX277 |
11.65095704 | France_IA_Jeb8 |
11.68151531 | BronzAgeBalkan |
12.28918223 | BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332 |
12.30414158 | IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016 |
12.86881502 | EMBA_Croatia_I4331 |
13.01338157 | France_IA_ERS86 |
13.49124531 | Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX283_relMX286 |
13.53752562 | Swiss_CHE_EBA_SX20 |
13.91407201 | France_IA_NOR4 |
14.39051771 | ScythianMoldova_SCY300 |
14.79033468 | France_IA_NOR2B6 |
14.81770563 | Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX254_relMX286 |
15.09151748 | Vucedol_I3499 |
15.38797258 | BronzeAgeEngland_I2462 |
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K36 Ancient: R437 R850 R1
... and Salento_me :grin:
Thank you.@mlukas
Hello mlukas, good evening.
First of all I would like to thank on my behalf and on behalf of the eupedia team all your effort and collaboration in the development of the Dodecad K12b West Eurasia calculator which now is available in the Admixture Studio v2.48 program at www.dnagenics.com
I am making this post just to alert you that I tried to run the calculator 'Dodecad K12b West Eurasia' of dnagenics.com today for two occasions, with the upload of files in both VCF (.txt) and csv (.xlsx) format and the error below was displayed and the admixture has not displayed.
Admixture Calculation started.
SNPs used for the calculation: 160.392
SNPs in calculator: 166.770
Genotype ratio: 96,18%
Elapsed time: 86 seconds
Admixture calculation: 12 - Correct: True
Admixture composition: 12
Start population calculations
Population calculation genomewide
Population file: Dodecad_K12b_V3_Ancient_Commas.txt
Calculate K-Means
Error calculating K-Means: Not enough points. There should be more points than the number K of clusters.
Nome do parâmetro: x
Calculate PCA
Error calculating PCA: Number of outputs should be less than or equal the number of columns in the input data 1.
Nome do parâmetro: value
Calculate N-Monte
Error: Referência de objeto não definida para uma instância de um objeto.
Admixture calculation finished!
Thanks.
Ok I will add.Here are 1039 modern samples for Dodecad K12b taken from HGDP, downloaded from y-str.org: https://genetic-genealogy-tools.blogspot.com/
http://www.mediafire.com/file/lom4fx3o6t9kyg4/HGDP_coordinates.docx/file
Very interesting, Salento, but what it says to me is that the K15 is terrible for Italians and maybe all Southern Europeans. The fits are much, much worse than with the Dodecad K12b.
... it was out of curiosity
I found the K36 ancient coordinates in a folder, I extracted it and reformatted it for compatibility.
I know the order is correct because it matches yourdnaportal website.
K36 has biggest distances from all Eurogenes calculators. It is normal.
these are the K36-Ancient coordinates I used ...
Distance to: | adam |
---|---|
12.65305102 | EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 |
13.64229086 | R850_Iron_Age_Ardea |
15.50188053 | CL30_GreeksouthItalian |
16.11039726 | CL38_GreeksouthItalian |
16.98783977 | CL25_south_Italian |
18.04734884 | CL31_Greek_Balkan |
18.62021482 | CL121__northItalian |
19.11710752 | SZ36_northItalian |
19.32573414 | I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD |
19.37823263 | R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste |
19.66186156 | i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD |
19.84915615 | Crimean_Goth_Ker_1 |
19.85204523 | SZ32_northItalian |
20.04655831 | SZ43_northItalian |
21.69056707 | EMA_Alpine_STR_310 |
21.74386580 | R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro |
22.17985573 | CL36_northItalian |
22.43557220 | EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 |
22.65344124 | MA2198_Anatolia_IA |
22.71326925 | SZ1_GreekBalkan |
23.25793413 | Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c |
23.37450748 | CL23_northItalian |
23.57039881 | SZ40_Italian |
23.99231752 | SZ37_Greek_Italian |
24.20021488 | CHL_Armenia_I1632 |
Distance to: | Duarte |
---|---|
11.04991403 | EMA_northItalian_FN_2 |
14.40337808 | CL94_Iberian |
14.54415003 | CL36_northItalian |
16.20095676 | BA_Hungary_RISE373 |
16.68255676 | CL57_northItalian |
16.73560874 | SZ43_northItalian |
17.68419633 | R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro |
17.97782801 | CL23_northItalian |
18.07335055 | SZ28_northItalian |
18.30650158 | SZ45_Pannonian |
18.33766888 | SZ36_northItalian |
18.34074153 | I3578_EMA_Andalusia |
18.66526721 | EMA_northItalian_NW_54 |
18.66560741 | i3757_Celtiberian_IA |
18.94987599 | I10892_Catalonia_medieval |
19.56543892 | BA_Hungary_RISE247 |
20.39720324 | SZ18_Pannonian |
20.80011058 | CL47_Alpine |
20.86432601 | CL121__northItalian |
21.06504925 | BA_Hungary_BR2 |
21.06839576 | I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent |
21.45052680 | BA_Hungary_RISE480 |
21.46593813 | I1979_Beaker_North_Italy |
21.47573514 | BA_Hungary_RISE483 |
21.79636667 | Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c |
Here are 1039 modern samples for Dodecad K12b taken from HGDP, downloaded from y-str.org: https://genetic-genealogy-tools.blogspot.com/
http://www.mediafire.com/file/lom4fx3o6t9kyg4/HGDP_coordinates.docx/file
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