No file has been attached. Do you have a link to the study maybe? Even in Turkish.
Society New map of average male body height in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa
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No file has been attached. Do you have a link to the study maybe? Even in Turkish.
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I've found historical data for Italy for the years 1879-1883. I hope to find out if there is any more recent and updated study on Italy.
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I've found historical data for Italy for the years 1879-1883. I hope to find out if there is any more recent and updated study on Italy.
I wonder if the relative positioning would be the same today, even if everyone is taller.
My impression is that the average male height in most of Europe in the 19th century was about 5'7".
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agree : genetic, food, hygiene but also kind of sport and age of the practice of it (oxygenation on ossification); I repeat increase in height is not by force a sign of increase in force or in health, some food elements are good, other bad, even if they afford increase in stature -
concerning N-E England, in allover pop states, they were among the highest ones before the last mondial war -
miners are a social case, social class being interacting with to the mesologic elements written above - the England/Britain great diversity in stature was well known and Coon also spoke about it ( that said 1m70 in 1940 was rather high for the European mean!: and just a bit higher than the allover Wales and Scotland means which reached 1m705 only in the 1950's, English mean being more than 1m71) -
when I wrote for Brittany and Teviec types I excluded the socio-economical input because in this specific case, the variations does not seem linked to this social aspect, what is not to say this social aspect does not exist -
I think we all agree with this "pannel" of influences on the stature -
concerning N-E England, in allover pop states, they were among the highest ones before the last mondial war -
miners are a social case, social class being interacting with to the mesologic elements written above - the England/Britain great diversity in stature was well known and Coon also spoke about it ( that said 1m70 in 1940 was rather high for the European mean!: and just a bit higher than the allover Wales and Scotland means which reached 1m705 only in the 1950's, English mean being more than 1m71) -
when I wrote for Brittany and Teviec types I excluded the socio-economical input because in this specific case, the variations does not seem linked to this social aspect, what is not to say this social aspect does not exist -
I think we all agree with this "pannel" of influences on the stature -
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Sorry, for the British big variations of statures, I did not speak only of region but more precisley of social occupational classes; there it reached great oppositions compared to other European country of the time - curiously the lower occupation was the convicts, if convict is a serious "occupation"...
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Yes, I believe that even today the part of Italy with the taller average height is the north-east, with Veneto, Trentino and Friuli-Venezia Giulia in the lead. Probably the trends are still, more or less, the same today. It is also true that the Italian demography has changed a lot over the last 100 years. Today, in this type of measurements many descendants of migrants from other parts of Italy would be also included. So 140 years later it is difficult to get full objective data.
5'5'' most likely?
Average height of British men in the last centuries.
"For British men, the average height at age 21 rose from 167.05 cm (5ft 5in) in 1871-75 to 177.37cm (5ft 10in) in 1971-75."
I believe Southern Italy has received a bigger boost than North in general. I have not noticed any height differences among Italians in North, Calabria, Catania, and Bari.
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As I have not noticed differences in height among Southern Italians, Greeks and Albanians when I was there. But here we need reliable sources, not what people notice. What people notice is quite irrelevant.
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Southern Italians resemble South Albanians in height. I would say South Albanians are an inch taller than South Italians I have seen. I have seen them in NYC and they originated from Salerno, Naples region. I worked once in an Italian club of Neapolitan's in Brooklyn NY. The club had 800 members more or less.So I have seen them in group. Their Kids of South Italians are in average an Inch taller than their parents, but not much. So the theory that nutrition makes the big difference at least among Albanians born in USA, and South Italians born in USA, its not true. The nutrition is not to be ignored but in this two groups does not seem to make big difference. Greeks on the other hand are taller than both South Albanians and South Italians, but shorter than Kosovans. I don't think Slavic genes make the difference.
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Granted that diet affect height, a big percentage of the Italians you saw in New York are Mixed,
and even more are the kids.
I wouldn’t include them as subjects for height averages.
I should probably comment on the other things you said about Italians, and Albanians.
I’m going to let it go.
So unless I come here with an attachment of a reliable source I should not post at all or show interest on a certain topic hoping that someone might clear it up for me with a "reliable source"?
So far these reliable sources seem to contradict each other, where 1 says that average height in Montenegro is 178cm and another says 183cm, not to mention the one with 185,6cm average from specific high schools. Then you have those "reliable sources" that measure 100 people from some hospital and announce it as the country's average.
There's no South - North difference, rather a highland - lowland region difference but we don't have such statistics and I think we'll never have. The Southwestern region of Laberia has a higher average than all the other South Albanians, Central Albanians, and some North Albanian areas like Mati, Mirdita, Dibra, or Kruja.
Then why should the average of Fieri, Lushnja, and parts of Kavaja affect the average height of Albanians if they're Aromanians? Same goes to many villages in Korca and Devolli with their Aromanian population known to be shorter and darker than the Albanians. So you probably see a couple of them and attribute it to the whole country.
You can't speak so confidently about Greece as Greece is vast and with huge differences in appearance too. You could see hundreds of Peloponessians and come to the conclusion that Greeks are quite tall but you completely ignore people from the Aegean islands. Go to Thessaloniki in Makedonia (North Greece) and notice how people are surprisingly short and most of the tall ones are Serbian students.
Are you even Albanian by the way? Your username indicates you're more likely a Serbian ***** because the meaning is offensive.
I noticed that there was no good map covering all countries with serious data, so I made one.
This map was made based on the combined data from Wikipedia, Worlddata.info, a study by Grasgruber et al. (2016) (for the Middle East and North Africa), Diggita (for Italian regions) and Destatis (for German states). Other anthropological studies not published online were used for Dutch, French and Spanish regions.
The color on the map for Romania is for (165-167.5 cm)? This is far to be true! I am 192cm tall and then I should be a Goliath? I'm not! When I'm on a bus with other 10-15 Romanian men there is one that looks at me peer-to-peer.
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As the diet changes to feature more meat, the height and weight increases. That happened in Greece and the Balkans in general. I come from tall stock with the exception of my father who is 5'3" He was born in 1922, the year of the great exchange of population between Greece and Turkey so food was scarce. I had a terrible time with my digestive system when I was less than 1 yr old. I could not keep my mother's milk down or any other kind of milk. I was very very skinny and they thought I was going to die. They finally tried donkey's milk and I could keep that down. From then on I started putting on weight. My son had the same problem but nowadays there is so many different kinds of formulas and baby foods so he was in no danger of dying.
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Same phenomenon is observed in China, when new generation is much taller than their parents. Head height toller!
My pet theory is that the last generation or two the height jump wasn't due much to increased nutrients, but increased hormones and antibiotic use in production of farm animals and increased this cheap/fast grown meat consumption wealthier countries.
I will be proven wrong or right with next datasets from rich countries, which embrace the new healthy eating habits and reduce use of hormones and antibiotics in food production. Their next generation of people should be shorter than their parents, if I'm right.
Let's look a little, to the peaks. 
Robert Bobroczky from Romania is 2.32 m tall from the age of 16! I think he is the tallest teenager in Europe, if not in the world.
His father is a former basketball player, 2.18 m tall, and his mother 1.86 m. From the age of 8 it was 1.88 m tall, and by the age of 12 he reached a height of 2.18 m surpassing his father. He has been the subject of medical studies from the early years, but doctors have determined that his height is natural as a result of genetics and not a hormonal disease.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-SnFtHrHjk
Another Romanian giant is well-known former basketball player, Gheorghe Muresan, also 2.32 m tall, but due to a pituitary gland disorder.
Robert Bobroczky from Romania is 2.32 m tall from the age of 16! I think he is the tallest teenager in Europe, if not in the world.
His father is a former basketball player, 2.18 m tall, and his mother 1.86 m. From the age of 8 it was 1.88 m tall, and by the age of 12 he reached a height of 2.18 m surpassing his father. He has been the subject of medical studies from the early years, but doctors have determined that his height is natural as a result of genetics and not a hormonal disease.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-SnFtHrHjk
Another Romanian giant is well-known former basketball player, Gheorghe Muresan, also 2.32 m tall, but due to a pituitary gland disorder.
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the shorter people have workplace advantage
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It isnt really a mistake , it just shows it as 177 - 180 cm instead of the specific height , but it is most likely somewhere around there, in some areas 177 in others 1.80 .. Montenegro Albos probably are the tallest and it could get higher there and inmsome other areas ... but all in all the map is accurate and 1.80 isnt short for European standards. Also shows the north as taller than the south. Same way when Coon studied Albanians. We are diverse in height. Mirdita in the north and some other areas of the South have a lot of Alpines or reduced Cromagnoids.